I feel insulted today at my lfs....
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crimzy
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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3125743
My apologies all.
Sorry for the hijack...
I just don't understand people I guess. What would make you think this was acceptable to post?
http:///forum/post/3125743
My apologies all.
Sorry for the hijack...
I just don't understand people I guess. What would make you think this was acceptable to post?
t316
Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/3125757
Sorry for the hijack...
I just don't understand people I guess. What would make you think this was acceptable to post?
Crimzy, I apologized. It's a term, albeit one that is viewed negative by some, which is why I skirted it the first time I referenced "price lowering". Don't preach to me about being 'holier than thou'. Here is one of your own threads... https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=341159
I'm sure I could find plenty of other derogatory posts that you have made, especially towards women, but it's not worth the time. It's only offensive when it pertains to YOU.
http:///forum/post/3125757
Sorry for the hijack...
I just don't understand people I guess. What would make you think this was acceptable to post?
Crimzy, I apologized. It's a term, albeit one that is viewed negative by some, which is why I skirted it the first time I referenced "price lowering". Don't preach to me about being 'holier than thou'. Here is one of your own threads... https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=341159
I'm sure I could find plenty of other derogatory posts that you have made, especially towards women, but it's not worth the time. It's only offensive when it pertains to YOU.
rigdon87
Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/3125738
Very poor phrase to use on a public site, (or anywhere else for that matter). But again, what can I expect from someone from North Carolina... you're all pretty a$$ backwards anyway. We'd probably have more of you on here but to participate requires LITERACY.
T316, I actually like you. But today I'd like to give you a hearty f#%@ off! Giving you the one finger salute right now...
You wanna talk about inappropriate and you post something like that,you just lost the respect from me and probobly alot of our fellow hobbyist's, but thats what it is a hobby just a hobby.these forums are to help the saltwater hobbyist out not to bash them.I think people can get way too serious on here and crimzy youv'e juss crossed the line.T316 and the op i agree with you and thought it was very rude of the owner to act like that.
http:///forum/post/3125738
Very poor phrase to use on a public site, (or anywhere else for that matter). But again, what can I expect from someone from North Carolina... you're all pretty a$$ backwards anyway. We'd probably have more of you on here but to participate requires LITERACY.
T316, I actually like you. But today I'd like to give you a hearty f#%@ off! Giving you the one finger salute right now...
You wanna talk about inappropriate and you post something like that,you just lost the respect from me and probobly alot of our fellow hobbyist's, but thats what it is a hobby just a hobby.these forums are to help the saltwater hobbyist out not to bash them.I think people can get way too serious on here and crimzy youv'e juss crossed the line.T316 and the op i agree with you and thought it was very rude of the owner to act like that.
crimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3125760
Crimzy, I apologized. It's a term, albeit one that is viewed negative by some, which is why I skirted it the first time I referenced "price lowering". Don't preach to me about being 'holier than thou'. Here is one of your own threads... https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=341159
I'm sure I could find plenty of other derogatory posts that you have made, especially towards women, but it's not worth the time. It's only offensive when it pertains to YOU.
You are correct... bigoted statements are generally most offensive to members of the group to whom they are directed. Go find any posts you want... I just don't know how someone can make a directly bigoted remark, change a couple letters, and then claim it's because of political correctness.
It's unfortunate, because even when people want to hold themselves out to be intelligent and open minded, these things come out. No doubt that you didn't think that a bigoted statement was a big deal because such a perspective was no big deal when it was taught by your parents to you. And it will be no big deal as you teach this attitude to your kids.
It's unfortunate...
http:///forum/post/3125760
Crimzy, I apologized. It's a term, albeit one that is viewed negative by some, which is why I skirted it the first time I referenced "price lowering". Don't preach to me about being 'holier than thou'. Here is one of your own threads... https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=341159
I'm sure I could find plenty of other derogatory posts that you have made, especially towards women, but it's not worth the time. It's only offensive when it pertains to YOU.
You are correct... bigoted statements are generally most offensive to members of the group to whom they are directed. Go find any posts you want... I just don't know how someone can make a directly bigoted remark, change a couple letters, and then claim it's because of political correctness.
It's unfortunate, because even when people want to hold themselves out to be intelligent and open minded, these things come out. No doubt that you didn't think that a bigoted statement was a big deal because such a perspective was no big deal when it was taught by your parents to you. And it will be no big deal as you teach this attitude to your kids.
It's unfortunate...
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pelagic
Guest
My friend......... You NEED to read Common Law and UCC Sales Article before trying to make a statement about Contracts and Sales.
There is an offer for $29.99, and you simply said NO to the $29.99 offer, and here is an offer for $25 ( a CONTER OFFER), and she took it as a joke and maybe a rude offer (Cost and Benefit). She has the same power of rejecting your offer, like YOU REJECTED the $29.99 offer from her. I am pretty sure that's a good price for a dwarf lion, and I am pretty sure, there is going to be another happy customer with money on hand.
There is an offer for $29.99, and you simply said NO to the $29.99 offer, and here is an offer for $25 ( a CONTER OFFER), and she took it as a joke and maybe a rude offer (Cost and Benefit). She has the same power of rejecting your offer, like YOU REJECTED the $29.99 offer from her. I am pretty sure that's a good price for a dwarf lion, and I am pretty sure, there is going to be another happy customer with money on hand.
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pelagic
Guest
Originally Posted by thai
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
My friend......... You NEED to read Common Law and UCC Sales Article before trying to make a statement about Contracts and Sales.
There is an offer for $29.99, and you simply said NO to the $29.99 offer, and here is an offer for $25 ( a CONTER OFFER), and she took it as a joke and maybe a rude offer (Cost and Benefit). She has the same power of rejecting your offer, like YOU REJECTED the $29.99 offer from her. I am pretty sure that's a good price for a dwarf lion, and I am pretty sure, there is going to be another happy customer with money on hand (CASH ON HAND PLZ).
PS: let's keep moving the economy!!!!!!
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
My friend......... You NEED to read Common Law and UCC Sales Article before trying to make a statement about Contracts and Sales.
There is an offer for $29.99, and you simply said NO to the $29.99 offer, and here is an offer for $25 ( a CONTER OFFER), and she took it as a joke and maybe a rude offer (Cost and Benefit). She has the same power of rejecting your offer, like YOU REJECTED the $29.99 offer from her. I am pretty sure that's a good price for a dwarf lion, and I am pretty sure, there is going to be another happy customer with money on hand (CASH ON HAND PLZ).
PS: let's keep moving the economy!!!!!!
deejeff442
Active Member
i am with bulldog i own a concrete company and mostly do work for homeowners.go to thier home measure up and give a price.
i would say 50-60% of the time they ask ifthats the best i can do.
i never get insulted as i know the custom decrative work i do is a bit pricey.hell i wouldnt pay $5000 for a 700 sq. ft. patio.
i just tell them i can do better at a cash price.
then they say green cash or a check.just a check in my name instead of the business .i will take off up to 20% and yet to have anyone say no i think i will pay full and write it to the comopany.
everyone is hurting these days the lfs should have been more polite,i get offended pretty fast also .
as for the bad words on here.come on some terms are so common sometimes we just say things without even realizing what it can do.
its just words it doesnt mean he hates jewish people.i am onsite with a good friend of mine who pours concrete and dont stamp it he hires me for that part.
he is black and so is most of his crew i hear the "n" word all day .
one friend loves hockey and i asked him how the hell do you love hockey so much being black?then he said he has season tickets to the stars and invited me to go when buffalo comes here.(of course they dont come here this season ,that blows)
we do alot of work building homes in a very wealthy jewish comminity and they dont act any different than onyone else.in fact i didnt even know the neighborhood was mostly jewish untill the builder told me a few years in.
all i am saying its just words and sometimes they dont even have much meaning behind them .sometime we just need to let things go a little.
i would say 50-60% of the time they ask ifthats the best i can do.
i never get insulted as i know the custom decrative work i do is a bit pricey.hell i wouldnt pay $5000 for a 700 sq. ft. patio.
i just tell them i can do better at a cash price.
then they say green cash or a check.just a check in my name instead of the business .i will take off up to 20% and yet to have anyone say no i think i will pay full and write it to the comopany.
everyone is hurting these days the lfs should have been more polite,i get offended pretty fast also .
as for the bad words on here.come on some terms are so common sometimes we just say things without even realizing what it can do.
its just words it doesnt mean he hates jewish people.i am onsite with a good friend of mine who pours concrete and dont stamp it he hires me for that part.
he is black and so is most of his crew i hear the "n" word all day .
one friend loves hockey and i asked him how the hell do you love hockey so much being black?then he said he has season tickets to the stars and invited me to go when buffalo comes here.(of course they dont come here this season ,that blows)
we do alot of work building homes in a very wealthy jewish comminity and they dont act any different than onyone else.in fact i didnt even know the neighborhood was mostly jewish untill the builder told me a few years in.
all i am saying its just words and sometimes they dont even have much meaning behind them .sometime we just need to let things go a little.
t316
Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/3125765
You are correct... bigoted statements are generally most offensive to members of the group to whom they are directed. Go find any posts you want... I just don't know how someone can make a directly bigoted remark, change a couple letters, and then claim it's because of political correctness.
It's unfortunate, because even when people want to hold themselves out to be intelligent and open minded, these things come out. No doubt that you didn't think that a bigoted statement was a big deal because such a perspective was no big deal when it was taught by your parents to you. And it will be no big deal as you teach this attitude to your kids.
It's unfortunate...
Crimzy....give me a freakin' break. Although you/I have never met, you know enough about me to know that I don't teach my kids to hate Jews, or anyone else, and I know you don't either. I'm dropping this, so as to not get this legitimate thread closed due to this offbeat topic.
http:///forum/post/3125765
You are correct... bigoted statements are generally most offensive to members of the group to whom they are directed. Go find any posts you want... I just don't know how someone can make a directly bigoted remark, change a couple letters, and then claim it's because of political correctness.
It's unfortunate, because even when people want to hold themselves out to be intelligent and open minded, these things come out. No doubt that you didn't think that a bigoted statement was a big deal because such a perspective was no big deal when it was taught by your parents to you. And it will be no big deal as you teach this attitude to your kids.
It's unfortunate...
Crimzy....give me a freakin' break. Although you/I have never met, you know enough about me to know that I don't teach my kids to hate Jews, or anyone else, and I know you don't either. I'm dropping this, so as to not get this legitimate thread closed due to this offbeat topic.
ophiura
Active Member
WOW.
The term used, which I totally missed the intention of until explained, is not acceptible. There is no "politically correct" way to perpetuate racial stereotypes, IMO. I will keep a closer eye out, clearly.
Please watch the converstation.
It is insulting, most definitely.
The term used, which I totally missed the intention of until explained, is not acceptible. There is no "politically correct" way to perpetuate racial stereotypes, IMO. I will keep a closer eye out, clearly.
Please watch the converstation.
It is insulting, most definitely.
ophiura
Active Member
I stand by the statement that we do not know exactly what was said and how, and therefor I am not willing to toss the LFS owner to the lions.
If you don't want to shop there, fine. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone on that point. But people on this board, whether they are admitting it or not, do not have every aspect of the story and might want to walk a mile in the other person's shoes.
By the way, there is no reason people can't disagree with me just because I am a mod. If you can not do it politely or respectfully, then my suspicion is "your" case (anyone) is not well defended on other grounds. But please do not use fear of me as an excuse to keep quiet.
I don't delete posts simply because someone is disagreeing with me...and the possible implication...that I do...is once again, insulting.
To clarify, this is an example to show how easy it is to be insulted based on nothing, which is perhaps misunderstood.
That is why these boards can get out of hand on tang threads or whatever so darn fast. Just that the same thing can happen talking one on one to people too.
If you don't want to shop there, fine. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone on that point. But people on this board, whether they are admitting it or not, do not have every aspect of the story and might want to walk a mile in the other person's shoes.
By the way, there is no reason people can't disagree with me just because I am a mod. If you can not do it politely or respectfully, then my suspicion is "your" case (anyone) is not well defended on other grounds. But please do not use fear of me as an excuse to keep quiet.
I don't delete posts simply because someone is disagreeing with me...and the possible implication...that I do...is once again, insulting.
To clarify, this is an example to show how easy it is to be insulted based on nothing, which is perhaps misunderstood.
thai
Member
Originally Posted by thai
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
With that type of attitude as a business owner i would have to say good luck. Sorry she had loss a customer who drop at least 200 dollars a month....
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
With that type of attitude as a business owner i would have to say good luck. Sorry she had loss a customer who drop at least 200 dollars a month....
rlablan
Active Member
I don't think it matters what context it was said in. Lets give him the benefit and say that he simply asked "Could I give you 25 bucks for it, that's all I have."
The shop keep, whether the owner, manager, or just a clerk should have responded differently. I would have been insulted too. I think customer service has taken a turn for the worst no matter if you're a hole in the wall LFS or a Barney's. I don't go to places where I get bad service. Not restaurants, shops or LFSs. I can spend my money elsewhere, where I get a good price and service too. There are enough places around, that I can go elsewhere. The lady at the shop should realize she doesn't have a monopoly on fish and she will lose customers.
Also, that fish was too much, IMO. I just bought my fuzzy dwarf for 19 bucks. Good health, striking color. Has been great. Bought at an LFS, not online or anything like that.
The shop keep, whether the owner, manager, or just a clerk should have responded differently. I would have been insulted too. I think customer service has taken a turn for the worst no matter if you're a hole in the wall LFS or a Barney's. I don't go to places where I get bad service. Not restaurants, shops or LFSs. I can spend my money elsewhere, where I get a good price and service too. There are enough places around, that I can go elsewhere. The lady at the shop should realize she doesn't have a monopoly on fish and she will lose customers.
Also, that fish was too much, IMO. I just bought my fuzzy dwarf for 19 bucks. Good health, striking color. Has been great. Bought at an LFS, not online or anything like that.
cranberry
Active Member
I 100% agree. IMO she was 100% wrong in the business sense in her response. She just had money and word of mouth walk out the door. Times are tough... service people need to smile harder to please customers to try and make it through these tough times. One customer is just too many to lose. I swallow a thousand sarcastic comments a day at work..... but I swallow each and every one of them 100% of the time.
We saved over 130 bucks on a fish one time because we had cash and asked. The next time we went in we didn't even have to ask, he saw we had cash in hand and gave us a discount. Win!
We saved over 130 bucks on a fish one time because we had cash and asked. The next time we went in we didn't even have to ask, he saw we had cash in hand and gave us a discount. Win!
rlablan
Active Member
+1 cran. (and nice score on the discount.)
I am a waitress and bartender. that's what I done my whole life is customer service. If I did that to someone, I would most likely get fired, if my bosses knew I lost them a sale OR a customer. Times are indeed tough and I don't care about the LFSs problem with pricing or their supplier, etc. I am the customer, and I just come to be a patron, not get laughed at, or treated poorly. My customers get the same treatment as I would want. A smile, a good drink, hot meal, and maybe a good joke.
I am a waitress and bartender. that's what I done my whole life is customer service. If I did that to someone, I would most likely get fired, if my bosses knew I lost them a sale OR a customer. Times are indeed tough and I don't care about the LFSs problem with pricing or their supplier, etc. I am the customer, and I just come to be a patron, not get laughed at, or treated poorly. My customers get the same treatment as I would want. A smile, a good drink, hot meal, and maybe a good joke.
stoss
Member
She was definitely wrong. If you go the store often - most likely they know your face. So giving you a deal, from time to time, is not being unrealistic. I do it all the time at my LFS. I dont ask for deals every time I go, but when I do ask they usually give it. Now being rude cause you asked a question, IMO, I wouldnt go back. F'em I'll take my business somewhere else.
thai
Member
Originally Posted by thai
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
To those who felt that the owner had the same rights as me feeling insulted by my offer, with her respond and attitude i suggest you should not go into any type of business. There is always a better way to say no to any offer when it comes to money without hurting people feeling. I swear if she had replied in a better manner i will buy the fish at full price.....
http:///forum/post/3125243
I was at my lfs i spotted a dwarf lion fish that was 29.99 so i politely ask the owner if i could it for $25 cash because thats all i had on me and plus there will be no transaction fee for her. Her replied was " are you kidding that fish is only 29.99 i could see if it was a 50 dollars fish" she was laughing under her throat while she was replying. I just walk out and didn't say bye or thanks do to her rudeness. I also buy fish product from her almost every weekend but now never again....
To those who felt that the owner had the same rights as me feeling insulted by my offer, with her respond and attitude i suggest you should not go into any type of business. There is always a better way to say no to any offer when it comes to money without hurting people feeling. I swear if she had replied in a better manner i will buy the fish at full price.....
thai
Member
Originally Posted by nycbob
http:///forum/post/3126538
nothing wrong paying $25 cash for a lionfish. i offered to pay cash all the time at my lfs in exchange for no tax or discount. my lfs would normally say yes though bc they still make money. the markups for all these lfs r more than many think.
+1 also no credit card transaction fees. I own a business it break my heart to see the transaction fee every month on my statement.
http:///forum/post/3126538
nothing wrong paying $25 cash for a lionfish. i offered to pay cash all the time at my lfs in exchange for no tax or discount. my lfs would normally say yes though bc they still make money. the markups for all these lfs r more than many think.
+1 also no credit card transaction fees. I own a business it break my heart to see the transaction fee every month on my statement.
