groupergenius
Active Member
Seriously, to me X is taking out the reason for the season. The holiday is ALL about the birth of Christ. If you don't believe, then don't celebrate. Simple.
I hate the abbreviation...X-mas....
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lovethesea
Active Member
I am with you, but I think X is used for "cross" and "Christ". So, I guess it is another word along with hundreds that have fallen victim to abbreviations.
IMHO ........of course.
IMHO ........of course.
goober_hunter
Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2831200
Seriously, to me X is taking out the reason for the season. The holiday is ALL about the birth of Christ. If you don't believe, then don't celebrate. Simple.
+1 i agree 110%.
http:///forum/post/2831200
Seriously, to me X is taking out the reason for the season. The holiday is ALL about the birth of Christ. If you don't believe, then don't celebrate. Simple.
+1 i agree 110%.
mimzy
Active Member
1st of all, it takes too long to type the whole thing.
2nd of all, the word Christ means "The annointed" .... meaning, "messiah."
and, being Jewish, Jesus is NOT my annointed, nor is he my messiah. Sooooooo... I don't have to spell out the word "Christ" if I don't want to. Thanks though!
2nd of all, the word Christ means "The annointed" .... meaning, "messiah."
and, being Jewish, Jesus is NOT my annointed, nor is he my messiah. Sooooooo... I don't have to spell out the word "Christ" if I don't want to. Thanks though!
stdreb27
Active Member
This is just another silly thing ignorant christians whine about.
http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html
http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html
t316
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831255
1st of all, it takes too long to type the whole thing.
2nd of all, the word Christ means "The annointed" .... meaning, "messiah."
and, being Jewish, Jesus is NOT my annointed, nor is he my messiah. Sooooooo... I don't have to spell out the word "Christ" if I don't want to. Thanks though!
Love ya Mimzy, but....
If it takes you too long to spell out Christ, then don't celebrate the holiday. If you are Jewish, then you have your own holiday, yes?... but I bet that doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas, right? "X"mas, IMO is a total disgrace to all religions. It is a deliberate attempt to make known that "I am not a Christian, so therefore I will disgrace all those that are". The lame excuse for it being a shortcut is just that, a lame excuse. I would rather you just spit in my face.
http:///forum/post/2831255
1st of all, it takes too long to type the whole thing.
2nd of all, the word Christ means "The annointed" .... meaning, "messiah."
and, being Jewish, Jesus is NOT my annointed, nor is he my messiah. Sooooooo... I don't have to spell out the word "Christ" if I don't want to. Thanks though!
Love ya Mimzy, but....
If it takes you too long to spell out Christ, then don't celebrate the holiday. If you are Jewish, then you have your own holiday, yes?... but I bet that doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas, right? "X"mas, IMO is a total disgrace to all religions. It is a deliberate attempt to make known that "I am not a Christian, so therefore I will disgrace all those that are". The lame excuse for it being a shortcut is just that, a lame excuse. I would rather you just spit in my face.
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2831293
Love ya Mimzy, but....
If it takes you too long to spell out Christ, then don't celebrate the holiday. If you are Jewish, then you have your own holiday, yes?... but I bet that doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas, right? "X"mas, IMO is a total disgrace to all religions. It is a deliberate attempt to make known that "I am not a Christian, so therefore I will disgrace all those that are". The lame excuse for it being a shortcut is just that, a lame excuse. I would rather you just spit in my face.
First of all, im not going to spit in your face. Thanx tho.
And no, we do not celebrate Christmas at all, in any way; it's not a holiday for us at all, in any way. We do have our own holiday around this time of year though; it's called Chanuka. It has nothing to do with Jesus. I don't expect you to know about it, to pronounce it correctly or even to know how to spell it.
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT. The fact that I do not want to USE a word that PROCLAIMS the LEADERSHIP of Jesus is in NO WAY a "disgrace," it is simply me following my religion. You are more than welcome to follow your religion, I'd appreciate it if you'd leave me to follow mine. I don't ask you to go around with a Kippah on your head, or eating Kosher. Why should I have to walk around talking about Jesus as the Messiah when I believe no such thing? I mean honestly now.
http:///forum/post/2831293
Love ya Mimzy, but....
If it takes you too long to spell out Christ, then don't celebrate the holiday. If you are Jewish, then you have your own holiday, yes?... but I bet that doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas, right? "X"mas, IMO is a total disgrace to all religions. It is a deliberate attempt to make known that "I am not a Christian, so therefore I will disgrace all those that are". The lame excuse for it being a shortcut is just that, a lame excuse. I would rather you just spit in my face.
First of all, im not going to spit in your face. Thanx tho.
And no, we do not celebrate Christmas at all, in any way; it's not a holiday for us at all, in any way. We do have our own holiday around this time of year though; it's called Chanuka. It has nothing to do with Jesus. I don't expect you to know about it, to pronounce it correctly or even to know how to spell it.
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT. The fact that I do not want to USE a word that PROCLAIMS the LEADERSHIP of Jesus is in NO WAY a "disgrace," it is simply me following my religion. You are more than welcome to follow your religion, I'd appreciate it if you'd leave me to follow mine. I don't ask you to go around with a Kippah on your head, or eating Kosher. Why should I have to walk around talking about Jesus as the Messiah when I believe no such thing? I mean honestly now.
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2831278
This is just another silly thing ignorant christians whine about.
http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html
this was kewl STD, thank u! I knew about the icthus and the chirho, but I didn't know the "x" itself was a Christian symbol. learn something new every day!
http:///forum/post/2831278
This is just another silly thing ignorant christians whine about.
http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html
this was kewl STD, thank u! I knew about the icthus and the chirho, but I didn't know the "x" itself was a Christian symbol. learn something new every day!
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tizzo
Guest
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831311
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT.
Kudos for your clarity.
And I do mean that with true sincerity. Seems lately people state their "perspectives" to start a fight, but you summed up your position nicely. A feature I have not seen much of here, lately.
But on a side note...as far as the post in general... I to hate the X too.
http:///forum/post/2831311
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT.
Kudos for your clarity.
But on a side note...as far as the post in general... I to hate the X too.
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2831326
Kudos for your clarity.
And I do mean that with true sincerity. Seems lately people state their "perspectives" to start a fight, but you summed up your position nicely. A feature I have not seen much of here, lately.
But on a side note...as far as the post in general... I to hate the X too.
my pleasure. I do try. Religion is the LEAST politically correct thing EVER. it is the ORIGINAL political incorrectness. But that doesn't mean we can't at least come to an understanding. No one has to like the X. I simply wanted to make it clear that I, personally, wasn't doing it just to be inflammatory; I actually have a religious reason. I cannot, however, speak for anyone else who uses it.
http:///forum/post/2831326
Kudos for your clarity.
But on a side note...as far as the post in general... I to hate the X too.
my pleasure. I do try. Religion is the LEAST politically correct thing EVER. it is the ORIGINAL political incorrectness. But that doesn't mean we can't at least come to an understanding. No one has to like the X. I simply wanted to make it clear that I, personally, wasn't doing it just to be inflammatory; I actually have a religious reason. I cannot, however, speak for anyone else who uses it.
jennythebugg
Active Member
i agree.
my parents converted recently and they agree too .
i do not call chanukah 'c-time' or anything like that
nor do i say k- day for kwanzah
i will not make a big deal out of it until the govt or the public try to change it then i will bring up the fact that if i am to be tolerant of and respect other peoples religions they should also be tolerant of and respect mine
my parents converted recently and they agree too .
i do not call chanukah 'c-time' or anything like that
nor do i say k- day for kwanzah
i will not make a big deal out of it until the govt or the public try to change it then i will bring up the fact that if i am to be tolerant of and respect other peoples religions they should also be tolerant of and respect mine
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2831330
i agree.
my parents converted recently and they agree too .
i do not call chanukah 'c-time' or anything like that
nor do i say k- day for kwanzah
i will not make a big deal out of it until the govt or the public try to change it then i will bring up the fact that if i am to be tolerant of and respect other peoples religions they should also be tolerant of and respect mine
I am confused as to whom you are agreeing with? The words Chanuka and Kwanzaa do not require you to proclaim a Messiah that is not your own. Chanuka means "dedication" or "menorah (candelabra)," and Kwanzaa is Swahilli for "first fruits." I feel like there's a big difference there. I have no problem saying Easter, or Lent, or Mass, or Baptism or Church.... but I don't like to use words with "Christ" in it b/c I don't like to call Jesus my Savior b/c MY RELIGION dictates that he is NOT my savior. WHY does this cause a problem for people? I really don't get it. This is not disrespectful, it's a FACT of the RELIGION that I was BORN in to. FACT.
http:///forum/post/2831330
i agree.
my parents converted recently and they agree too .
i do not call chanukah 'c-time' or anything like that
nor do i say k- day for kwanzah
i will not make a big deal out of it until the govt or the public try to change it then i will bring up the fact that if i am to be tolerant of and respect other peoples religions they should also be tolerant of and respect mine
I am confused as to whom you are agreeing with? The words Chanuka and Kwanzaa do not require you to proclaim a Messiah that is not your own. Chanuka means "dedication" or "menorah (candelabra)," and Kwanzaa is Swahilli for "first fruits." I feel like there's a big difference there. I have no problem saying Easter, or Lent, or Mass, or Baptism or Church.... but I don't like to use words with "Christ" in it b/c I don't like to call Jesus my Savior b/c MY RELIGION dictates that he is NOT my savior. WHY does this cause a problem for people? I really don't get it. This is not disrespectful, it's a FACT of the RELIGION that I was BORN in to. FACT.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831311
First of all, im not going to spit in your face. Thanx tho.
And no, we do not celebrate Christmas at all, in any way; it's not a holiday for us at all, in any way. We do have our own holiday around this time of year though; it's called Chanuka. It has nothing to do with Jesus. I don't expect you to know about it, to pronounce it correctly or even to know how to spell it.
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT. The fact that I do not want to USE a word that PROCLAIMS the LEADERSHIP of Jesus is in NO WAY a "disgrace," it is simply me following my religion. You are more than welcome to follow your religion, I'd appreciate it if you'd leave me to follow mine. I don't ask you to go around with a Kippah on your head, or eating Kosher. Why should I have to walk around talking about Jesus as the Messiah when I believe no such thing? I mean honestly now.
I make no apologies about being a christian however. Regardless of christmas's original intent. imo in today's society i feel the true meaning has been lost. I'd find it relatively harmless to celebrate it, even if I were a jew. Just like the origins of the christmas tree are directly contrary to biblical teachings, yet I will put a christmas tree up.
http:///forum/post/2831311
First of all, im not going to spit in your face. Thanx tho.
And no, we do not celebrate Christmas at all, in any way; it's not a holiday for us at all, in any way. We do have our own holiday around this time of year though; it's called Chanuka. It has nothing to do with Jesus. I don't expect you to know about it, to pronounce it correctly or even to know how to spell it.
I am not Christian, never claimed to be, and the fact that I am not Christan is in no way an expression of my DESIRE not to be; it simply is a FACT. The fact that I do not want to USE a word that PROCLAIMS the LEADERSHIP of Jesus is in NO WAY a "disgrace," it is simply me following my religion. You are more than welcome to follow your religion, I'd appreciate it if you'd leave me to follow mine. I don't ask you to go around with a Kippah on your head, or eating Kosher. Why should I have to walk around talking about Jesus as the Messiah when I believe no such thing? I mean honestly now.
I make no apologies about being a christian however. Regardless of christmas's original intent. imo in today's society i feel the true meaning has been lost. I'd find it relatively harmless to celebrate it, even if I were a jew. Just like the origins of the christmas tree are directly contrary to biblical teachings, yet I will put a christmas tree up.
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2831340
I make no apologies about being a christian however. Regardless of christmas's original intent. imo in today's society i feel the true meaning has been lost. I'd find it relatively harmless to celebrate it, even if I were a jew. Just like the origins of the christmas tree are directly contrary to biblical teachings, yet I will put a christmas tree up.
good! you shouldn't apologize for being a Christian. It's nice that you are Christian. It's beautiful. I do however, feel that what's happened to the holiday in today's society is irrelevant; Christ still means what it means what it means what it means what it means. And Jews still believe what we believe what we believe what we believe. Celebrating Christmas for me would be the ultimate denunciation of my faith.
Now, this does not mean that I cannot have a great big party with all my friends where we exchange gifts and sing songs and drink eggnog around a fire; anybody can do that.
But going to Mass in a church and celebrating the Birth of Jesus is really NOT JEWISH. LoL!!!! It's CHRISTIAN!!! And that's AWESOME!! It's LOVELY!!! And you should DO that!! But please understand that I DON'T do that! And I don't HAVE to do that! And there's nothing WRONG with the fact that I don't do that!!! And the fact that I don't do that, and the fact that it's OK that I don't do that is what makes AMERICA so FANTABULOUS!!!
So G-d bless you, and G-d bless me, and G-d bless America, and G-d bless the X and G-d bless your spelling and G-d bless all of us and we should all be happy and healthy and have WONDERFUL holidays and continue to post with each other on this message board for a very long time to come!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
http:///forum/post/2831340
I make no apologies about being a christian however. Regardless of christmas's original intent. imo in today's society i feel the true meaning has been lost. I'd find it relatively harmless to celebrate it, even if I were a jew. Just like the origins of the christmas tree are directly contrary to biblical teachings, yet I will put a christmas tree up.
good! you shouldn't apologize for being a Christian. It's nice that you are Christian. It's beautiful. I do however, feel that what's happened to the holiday in today's society is irrelevant; Christ still means what it means what it means what it means what it means. And Jews still believe what we believe what we believe what we believe. Celebrating Christmas for me would be the ultimate denunciation of my faith.
Now, this does not mean that I cannot have a great big party with all my friends where we exchange gifts and sing songs and drink eggnog around a fire; anybody can do that.
But going to Mass in a church and celebrating the Birth of Jesus is really NOT JEWISH. LoL!!!! It's CHRISTIAN!!! And that's AWESOME!! It's LOVELY!!! And you should DO that!! But please understand that I DON'T do that! And I don't HAVE to do that! And there's nothing WRONG with the fact that I don't do that!!! And the fact that I don't do that, and the fact that it's OK that I don't do that is what makes AMERICA so FANTABULOUS!!!
So G-d bless you, and G-d bless me, and G-d bless America, and G-d bless the X and G-d bless your spelling and G-d bless all of us and we should all be happy and healthy and have WONDERFUL holidays and continue to post with each other on this message board for a very long time to come!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831350
good! you shouldn't apologize for being a Christian. It's nice that you are Christian. It's beautiful. I do however, feel that what's happened to the holiday in today's society is irrelevant; Christ still means what it means what it means what it means what it means. And Jews still believe what we believe what we believe what we believe. Celebrating Christmas for me would be the ultimate denunciation of my faith.
Now, this does not mean that I cannot have a great big party with all my friends where we exchange gifts and sing songs and drink eggnog around a fire; anybody can do that.
But going to Mass in a church and celebrating the Birth of Jesus is really NOT JEWISH. LoL!!!! It's CHRISTIAN!!! And that's AWESOME!! It's LOVELY!!! And you should DO that!! But please understand that I DON'T do that! And I don't HAVE to do that! And there's nothing WRONG with the fact that I don't do that!!! And the fact that I don't do that, and the fact that it's OK that I don't do that is what makes AMERICA so FANTABULOUS!!!
So G-d bless you, and G-d bless me, and G-d bless America, and G-d bless the X and G-d bless your spelling and G-d bless all of us and we should all be happy and healthy and have WONDERFUL holidays and continue to post with each other on this message board for a very long time to come!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you have to, I'm just saying. Putting up a santa clause and a christmas tree and giving presents (especially in the usa) culturally doesn't denounce Judaism.
I'm amused, you're the first practicing Jew that has ever put the differences between Judaism and christianity in such stark terms. Typically when discussing theology with a jew, the argument hear is is that we aren't that different after all. And the christian saying there is a key difference.
http:///forum/post/2831350
good! you shouldn't apologize for being a Christian. It's nice that you are Christian. It's beautiful. I do however, feel that what's happened to the holiday in today's society is irrelevant; Christ still means what it means what it means what it means what it means. And Jews still believe what we believe what we believe what we believe. Celebrating Christmas for me would be the ultimate denunciation of my faith.
Now, this does not mean that I cannot have a great big party with all my friends where we exchange gifts and sing songs and drink eggnog around a fire; anybody can do that.
But going to Mass in a church and celebrating the Birth of Jesus is really NOT JEWISH. LoL!!!! It's CHRISTIAN!!! And that's AWESOME!! It's LOVELY!!! And you should DO that!! But please understand that I DON'T do that! And I don't HAVE to do that! And there's nothing WRONG with the fact that I don't do that!!! And the fact that I don't do that, and the fact that it's OK that I don't do that is what makes AMERICA so FANTABULOUS!!!
So G-d bless you, and G-d bless me, and G-d bless America, and G-d bless the X and G-d bless your spelling and G-d bless all of us and we should all be happy and healthy and have WONDERFUL holidays and continue to post with each other on this message board for a very long time to come!!!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you have to, I'm just saying. Putting up a santa clause and a christmas tree and giving presents (especially in the usa) culturally doesn't denounce Judaism.
I'm amused, you're the first practicing Jew that has ever put the differences between Judaism and christianity in such stark terms. Typically when discussing theology with a jew, the argument hear is is that we aren't that different after all. And the christian saying there is a key difference.
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2831357
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you have to, I'm just saying. Putting up a santa clause and a christmas tree and giving presents (especially in the usa) culturally doesn't denounce Judaism.
I'm amused, you're the first practicing Jew that has ever put the differences between Judaism and christianity in such stark terms. Typically when discussing theology with a jew, the argument hear is is that we aren't that different after all. And the christian saying there is a key difference.
well... Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas.... and he's a Saint.... a follower of Jesus. So... that would be kinda....odd...having a Christian Saint on display in a Jewish home.... and the tree, well, you said yourself that it's not Christian; and you're right. It's originally pagan. And Jews, well, Jews are not only not Christian, we're also not Pagan. Very, VERY not Pagan. In fact, Jews are almost obsessively not Pagan. If we ever came across a pagan artifact or village or something on our travels in biblical times, we burned it to the ground and proclaimed the entire area unusable and tainted.
Talk about politically incorrect.
So yeah... having a tree would be backward for me too. It really doesn't work; you can't mesh the two just b/c you want to.
As for putting the differences starkly; it might be jarring, but like you, I prefer not to apologize for my faith. Anyone who says the 2 religions are alike simply doesn't understand what's going on; or is trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation.
the thing is, as I've said, religion is NOT politically correct. At ALL. In ANY way. NO bible is inclusive, NO bible is wholly tolerant, NO bible allows for total and utter hippie flower power spread the love mushiness. Not a single, bloody, one.
Religion is the first, original and ultimate politically incorrect organization.
That being said; I consider myself to be a wholly tolerant, wholly accepting and very open-minded person. I will answer any questions about Judaism to the best of my ability (and, I might add, I am at least a little bit qualified; I spent 15 years in private religious bi-lingual day schools and I have a BA in Jewish studies & journalism), and I will not taint it with my PERSONAL open-minded beliefs about life and reality; religion is religion is religion; but myself is myself is myself. These days I like to keep the two as separate as possible. ::sigh::
http:///forum/post/2831357
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you have to, I'm just saying. Putting up a santa clause and a christmas tree and giving presents (especially in the usa) culturally doesn't denounce Judaism.
I'm amused, you're the first practicing Jew that has ever put the differences between Judaism and christianity in such stark terms. Typically when discussing theology with a jew, the argument hear is is that we aren't that different after all. And the christian saying there is a key difference.
well... Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas.... and he's a Saint.... a follower of Jesus. So... that would be kinda....odd...having a Christian Saint on display in a Jewish home.... and the tree, well, you said yourself that it's not Christian; and you're right. It's originally pagan. And Jews, well, Jews are not only not Christian, we're also not Pagan. Very, VERY not Pagan. In fact, Jews are almost obsessively not Pagan. If we ever came across a pagan artifact or village or something on our travels in biblical times, we burned it to the ground and proclaimed the entire area unusable and tainted.
Talk about politically incorrect.
So yeah... having a tree would be backward for me too. It really doesn't work; you can't mesh the two just b/c you want to.
As for putting the differences starkly; it might be jarring, but like you, I prefer not to apologize for my faith. Anyone who says the 2 religions are alike simply doesn't understand what's going on; or is trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation.
the thing is, as I've said, religion is NOT politically correct. At ALL. In ANY way. NO bible is inclusive, NO bible is wholly tolerant, NO bible allows for total and utter hippie flower power spread the love mushiness. Not a single, bloody, one.
Religion is the first, original and ultimate politically incorrect organization.
That being said; I consider myself to be a wholly tolerant, wholly accepting and very open-minded person. I will answer any questions about Judaism to the best of my ability (and, I might add, I am at least a little bit qualified; I spent 15 years in private religious bi-lingual day schools and I have a BA in Jewish studies & journalism), and I will not taint it with my PERSONAL open-minded beliefs about life and reality; religion is religion is religion; but myself is myself is myself. These days I like to keep the two as separate as possible. ::sigh::
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831360
well... Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas.... and he's a Saint.... a follower of Jesus. So... that would be kinda....odd...having a Christian Saint on display in a Jewish home.... and the tree, well, you said yourself that it's not Christian; and you're right. It's originally pagan. And Jews, well, Jews are not only not Christian, we're also not Pagan. Very, VERY not Pagan. In fact, Jews are almost obsessively not Pagan. If we ever came across a pagan artifact or village or something on our travels in biblical times, we burned it to the ground and proclaimed the entire area unusable and tainted.
Talk about politically incorrect.
So yeah... having a tree would be backward for me too. It really doesn't work; you can't mesh the two just b/c you want to.
As for putting the differences starkly; it might be jarring, but like you, I prefer not to apologize for my faith. Anyone who says the 2 religions are alike simply doesn't understand what's going on; or is trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation.
the thing is, as I've said, religion is NOT politically correct. At ALL. In ANY way. NO bible is inclusive, NO bible is wholly tolerant, NO bible allows for total and utter hippie flower power spread the love mushiness. Not a single, bloody, one.
Religion is the first, original and ultimate politically incorrect organization.
That being said; I consider myself to be a wholly tolerant, wholly accepting and very open-minded person. I will answer any questions about Judaism to the best of my ability (and, I might add, I am at least a little bit qualified; I spent 15 years in private religious bi-lingual day schools and I have a BA in Jewish studies & journalism), and I will not taint it with my PERSONAL open-minded beliefs about life and reality; religion is religion is religion; but myself is myself is myself. These days I like to keep the two as separate as possible. ::sigh::
Isn't the point of religion to merge yourself and religion together. What is the point of following religion if it doesn't reflect in your life?
http:///forum/post/2831360
well... Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas.... and he's a Saint.... a follower of Jesus. So... that would be kinda....odd...having a Christian Saint on display in a Jewish home.... and the tree, well, you said yourself that it's not Christian; and you're right. It's originally pagan. And Jews, well, Jews are not only not Christian, we're also not Pagan. Very, VERY not Pagan. In fact, Jews are almost obsessively not Pagan. If we ever came across a pagan artifact or village or something on our travels in biblical times, we burned it to the ground and proclaimed the entire area unusable and tainted.
Talk about politically incorrect.
So yeah... having a tree would be backward for me too. It really doesn't work; you can't mesh the two just b/c you want to.
As for putting the differences starkly; it might be jarring, but like you, I prefer not to apologize for my faith. Anyone who says the 2 religions are alike simply doesn't understand what's going on; or is trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation.
the thing is, as I've said, religion is NOT politically correct. At ALL. In ANY way. NO bible is inclusive, NO bible is wholly tolerant, NO bible allows for total and utter hippie flower power spread the love mushiness. Not a single, bloody, one.
Religion is the first, original and ultimate politically incorrect organization.
That being said; I consider myself to be a wholly tolerant, wholly accepting and very open-minded person. I will answer any questions about Judaism to the best of my ability (and, I might add, I am at least a little bit qualified; I spent 15 years in private religious bi-lingual day schools and I have a BA in Jewish studies & journalism), and I will not taint it with my PERSONAL open-minded beliefs about life and reality; religion is religion is religion; but myself is myself is myself. These days I like to keep the two as separate as possible. ::sigh::
Isn't the point of religion to merge yourself and religion together. What is the point of following religion if it doesn't reflect in your life?
mimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2831362
Isn't the point of religion to merge yourself and religion together. What is the point of following religion if it doesn't reflect in your life?
......I am currently having my own personal crisis of faith. I am deciding, at this time, whether or not I wish to continue being a religious person. whether or not I actually believe in G-d, and how I will or will not be doing exactly this; integrating my faith in to my every day life and my future.
every one goes through it. some people more than once, some people every day, some people have an easier time than others.
I am having a hard time.
::sigh::
http:///forum/post/2831362
Isn't the point of religion to merge yourself and religion together. What is the point of following religion if it doesn't reflect in your life?
......I am currently having my own personal crisis of faith. I am deciding, at this time, whether or not I wish to continue being a religious person. whether or not I actually believe in G-d, and how I will or will not be doing exactly this; integrating my faith in to my every day life and my future.
every one goes through it. some people more than once, some people every day, some people have an easier time than others.
I am having a hard time.
::sigh::
jennythebugg
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2831339
I am confused as to whom you are agreeing with? The words Chanuka and Kwanzaa do not require you to proclaim a Messiah that is not your own. Chanuka means "dedication" or "menorah (candelabra)," and Kwanzaa is Swahilli for "first fruits." I feel like there's a big difference there. I have no problem saying Easter, or Lent, or Mass, or Baptism or Church.... but I don't like to use words with "Christ" in it b/c I don't like to call Jesus my Savior b/c MY RELIGION dictates that he is NOT my savior. WHY does this cause a problem for people? I really don't get it. This is not disrespectful, it's a FACT of the RELIGION that I was BORN in to. FACT.
i agree with the op.
nobody said you had to say christmas either , you can just as easily say holiday tree - holiday decor - holiday music
http:///forum/post/2831339
I am confused as to whom you are agreeing with? The words Chanuka and Kwanzaa do not require you to proclaim a Messiah that is not your own. Chanuka means "dedication" or "menorah (candelabra)," and Kwanzaa is Swahilli for "first fruits." I feel like there's a big difference there. I have no problem saying Easter, or Lent, or Mass, or Baptism or Church.... but I don't like to use words with "Christ" in it b/c I don't like to call Jesus my Savior b/c MY RELIGION dictates that he is NOT my savior. WHY does this cause a problem for people? I really don't get it. This is not disrespectful, it's a FACT of the RELIGION that I was BORN in to. FACT.
i agree with the op.
nobody said you had to say christmas either , you can just as easily say holiday tree - holiday decor - holiday music