I think America needs FOX NEWS!

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
said,"Our CO2 emmissions are adrop in the bucket, may as well try to pee on a forest fire to put it "....
Here in texas we do some stupid stuff to be cool. There is a company that throws like 6 foot ice cubes in swimming pools. That is what It reminds me of.
 
theonesamwise

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Hi all.. I'm coming in really late on all this but with regard to the global warming issue (or perhaps lack thereof)...
... Even if the issue isn't real, wouldn't it better to err on the side of caution anyway? It's human nature to learn from mistakes. Why live in excess to possibly find out it's to our detriment later?
Apologies if these questions have already been posed.
 
darthtang aw

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No one is arguing helping keep a cleaner environment....living in excess is defined as how? A car could be deemed excessive as a horse and buggy can get you where you need to go as well.
The bottom line is global warming is being preached as a crisis.....we are just debating the veracity of that. Many here have brought of the point of living on the side of caution.....But what does that entail? If it is kyoto accords then no, that is ridiculous. As I posted before, would you drive 30% less? Would you heat your home 30%? Would you live in a 30% smaller house (as building homes does contributing to "global warming". Would you use 30% less electricity.....and last but not least....
Will you eat correctly and skip foods you enjoy so as to fart 30% less? Methane gas is contributing to global warming after all.....
 
theonesamwise

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
No one is arguing helping keep a cleaner environment....living in excess is defined as how? A car could be deemed excessive as a horse and buggy can get you where you need to go as well.
The bottom line is global warming is being preached as a crisis.....we are just debating the veracity of that. Many here have brought of the point of living on the side of caution.....But what does that entail? If it is kyoto accords then no, that is ridiculous. As I posted before, would you drive 30% less? Would you heat your home 30%? Would you live in a 30% smaller house (as building homes does contributing to "global warming". Would you use 30% less electricity.....and last but not least....
Will you eat correctly and skip foods you enjoy so as to fart 30% less? Methane gas is contributing to global warming after all.....
Touché Darthtang. I won't get into specific measures because I'm no expert on the subject... and clearly, my definition of excess will not be the same as everyone else's. But to be very frank with you, when I meet people that drive gas-guzzling, status-symbols for transportation, which far exceed their practical needs, I do think it's a little excessive. Crisis or no crisis, is there really a genuine need for this type of stuff? The fact of the matter is, that as a race, we haven't been here long enough or done enough to be 100 percent certain of what will happen in the future. Why take a chance? Disregarding the fact that "global warming is being preached as a crisis," we have a chance to take appropriate measures now...just in case. I'm not sure about you, but if it is all true, I don't want to find out when it's too late.
Anyway, that's the last of my rant.
I think this thread's gotten off topic enough.
EDIT: I'd just like to add that IMHO, politics and aquariums don't mix
 
darthtang aw

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One could say we could error on the side of caution with the middle east as well with regards to terrorists and just nuke every country supporting or harboring terrorists....But is erroring on the side of caution a reasonable action? With regards to global warming as the topic at hand, who is going to pay for all of the automobiles in the U.S. to be retrofitted with the mechanics to limit emissions 30%? For every action towards handling the "crisis" there is a cost.....
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mushroomss
Your hilarious riffraff.You believe everything you hear on the news dont you?That is one of the donwfalls of news departments in this country they can put whatever crap they want on and simple minded people will believe it.ANd for startes ever heard of the carlyle group?probably not.One of the biggest oil companies in the country and guess who 2 of the biggest memebrs are.George bush and George senior.If you think that has nothing to do with this was and his father ''wars'' you are sadly mistaken.And have you ever seen the documents that Clearly state President bush had all of the memebrs in the bin laden family in the U.S. flown out of the country right after 9/11?coincidence?i dont think so.And so how are we supposed to win this war?go after every country in the middle east that has some type of fighting going on?thats laughable,Fighting in the middle east has been goin on since people first originated there.TO think we can even put a stop to this witout intensifiying the fighting is a joke.Read some more before you bash people who know the facts about BUSH!
Gad how did I miss this post.
OK Mr. Wizzard here are a few facts for you.
GW Bush was a board member of Carlyle for a brief time and left in the early 90's to run for Governor of Texas
Daddy Bush left in 2003
Carlyle is not an oil company. It has few holding in the oil industry and none in the middle east.
What documents do you have showing Bush was involved in the Bin Laden family leaving, the Senate 911 commission would love to see them because they found no such link. The FBI was involved because they interviewed members of the family before they were allowed to leave once commercial air travel was being allowed again.
So maybe you should try watching Fox news instead of reading blogs or watching movies from a discredited wack job, then you might get a couple facts straight.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
Gad how did I miss this post.
OK Mr. Wizzard here are a few facts for you.
GW Bush was a board member of Carlyle for a brief time and left in the early 90's to run for Governor of Texas
Daddy Bush left in 2003
Carlyle is not an oil company. It has few holding in the oil industry and none in the middle east.
What documents do you have showing Bush was involved in the Bin Laden family leaving, the Senate 911 commission would love to see them because they found no such link. The FBI was involved because they interviewed members of the family before they were allowed to leave once commercial air travel was being allowed again.
So maybe you should try watching Fox news instead of reading blogs or watching movies from a discredited wack job, then you might get a couple facts straight.
Sadly most of these arguments that you are responding to are on michael moores movie. Another brilliant argument against conservatism. Totally and utterly unbiased and absolute truth finding movies.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
One could say we could error on the side of caution with the middle east as well with regards to terrorists and just nuke every country supporting or harboring terrorists....But is erroring on the side of caution a reasonable action? With regards to global warming as the topic at hand, who is going to pay for all of the automobiles in the U.S. to be retrofitted with the mechanics to limit emissions 30%? For every action towards handling the "crisis" there is a cost.....
hehe, i love this point.
 
jovial

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
No one is arguing helping keep a cleaner environment....living in excess is defined as how? A car could be deemed excessive as a horse and buggy can get you where you need to go as well.
The bottom line is global warming is being preached as a crisis.....we are just debating the veracity of that. Many here have brought of the point of living on the side of caution.....But what does that entail? If it is kyoto accords then no, that is ridiculous. As I posted before, would you drive 30% less? Would you heat your home 30%? Would you live in a 30% smaller house (as building homes does contributing to "global warming". Would you use 30% less electricity.....and last but not least....
Will you eat correctly and skip foods you enjoy so as to fart 30% less? Methane gas is contributing to global warming after all.....
Im as conservative as they come but after living in Japan, here's how I define it.
When it comes to practicality and efficiency is there really a need for a single person to be driving around a huge Dually or Cadillac SUV on a daily basis? One example of living in excess IMO. These type of people know the price of everything but the value of nothing. They are more concerned with having a 52 inch plasma TV, the number of home runs Bonds has, huge shiny wheels for their Escalade or a 114db chopper screaming down a residential neighborhood street waking people up then they are about learning how to solve problems that would make them more valuable to society and help others or even think critically for themselves.
Probably why we have lost our edge in MFG, automobiles and are currently being passed up in both medicine and engineering. You just dont see this kind of undisciplined social disregard in the students here from India or Pakistan, it's depressing.
I dont feel it is the governments responsibility to put the pressure on selfish people like this but rather more of a social responsibility for us to correct it ourselves, unfortunately there are many consumer morons who greatly outnumber those who know better. So when it comes to living in excess the subject of restricting capitalism often comes up. People like this give capitalism a bad name.
The ammount of hot air and methane gas generated by Michael Moores rhetoric, limosine and Mansion are more of a threat to global warming than my Honda is.
 
reefraff

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People are too quick to judge. That person driving the SUV or Dually may have a need for them. Most people can't afford to have a spare econo box to use when they aren't hauling a group of kids or pulling their trailer.
 
jovial

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It cost's more to fill up the gas tank to transport one person around in one of these mass polluters than it does to purchase an "econobox".
Do you believe one's need to drive around a 4wd 1 ton dually by themselves is based on anything more than personal selfishness or disregard for others or the environment, not to mention the noise polloution created. If there isnt a need, why do it? You would never see this in other countries or even 50 years ago in this one. This menatlity dosen't help people or prosper our society, it takes from it.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jovial
It cost's more to fill up the gas tank to transport one person around in one of these mass polluters than it does to purchase an "econobox".
Do you believe one's need to drive around a 4wd 1 ton dually by themselves is based on anything more than personal selfishness or disregard for others or the environment, not to mention the noise polloution created. If there isnt a need, why do it? It's base more on insecurity and the "look at me, Im a bad boy" mentality. You would never see this in other countries or even 50 years ago in this one. This menatlity dosen't prosper society, it takes from it.
Oh the same note, wouldn't most celebrity prius drivers be driving them for the same reason, "look at me, I hug trees!"
 
jovial

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Yes, except most of them also live in huge mansions and are carted around in limosines. The "Prius" thing is like having the fluffy dog in the purse or wearing a yellow bracelet. If they were sincere about their cause they would put thier money where it matters. Willy Nelson is a good example of this with bio-diesel. He has done a lot to promote alternate fuels.
 
miaheatlvr

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So much Liberal Advertising, Media, Internet, Coverage and Spin.. Thank-god for at least one right leaning Media Outlet.... NOBAMAS negative ADS must at least out number McCain's like 4 to 1. And FOX still has MUCH MUCH better ratings than any other mainstream TV media outlet.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2784723
So much Liberal Advertising, Media, Internet, Coverage and Spin.. Thank-god for at least one right leaning Media Outlet.... NOBAMAS negative ADS must at least out number McCain's like 4 to 1. And FOX still has MUCH MUCH better ratings than any other mainstream TV media outlet.
You mean cable outlets, the big 3's news gets better ratings.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2785261
That's what the bush administration has been doing the last 7 years. You probably fell for it.
You really should do more than lurk the aquarium, you are arguing with a dead guy.
 
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