miaheatlvr
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And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
I wish OBAMA would wear an American Flag pin (at least)
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reefraff
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There are a lot more important flaws in his character/politics to worry about. He just handled the pin deal rather foolishly, doesn't really mean much other than he was pandering to the left. I was a bit troubled by how uneasy he was when responding to the Farrakhan issue.
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
jennythebugg
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2498500
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
http:///forum/post/2498500
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
THe thread titled " Obama supporters I have one question" has already covered this. Feel free to join the thread for the "debate". You will get both posittions for and against what you have posted. It may or may not make you fell more comfortable with Obama.
It's hard for Obama to distance himself from his "church" as long as he contnues his membership. I conclude...if he continues his membership he supports the positions. If he fines the postion offensive...why did he not come out intially and condemn...why is he still a memebr of the "church"?
Certainly, the message form his minister is polarizing and the honoring of Louie alarming. This is not a unifying message and not actions that unify a nation. Words are just that....look at the actions or inactions...and I believe you see where the individual stands.
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
THe thread titled " Obama supporters I have one question" has already covered this. Feel free to join the thread for the "debate". You will get both posittions for and against what you have posted. It may or may not make you fell more comfortable with Obama.
It's hard for Obama to distance himself from his "church" as long as he contnues his membership. I conclude...if he continues his membership he supports the positions. If he fines the postion offensive...why did he not come out intially and condemn...why is he still a memebr of the "church"?
Certainly, the message form his minister is polarizing and the honoring of Louie alarming. This is not a unifying message and not actions that unify a nation. Words are just that....look at the actions or inactions...and I believe you see where the individual stands.
snakeblitz33
Well-Known Member
Alright, here's my issue...
1. I will NOT elect a president who does not have pride in our country
2. I will NOT elect a president who is tied to any religious doctorine to the point of being a puppet.
3. ********************No need for that comment. 1Journeyman
1. I will NOT elect a president who does not have pride in our country
2. I will NOT elect a president who is tied to any religious doctorine to the point of being a puppet.
3. ********************No need for that comment. 1Journeyman
reefraff
Active Member
Obama's mom was married to an Indonisian man for about 4 years and Obo did go to the mosque occasionally over a span of a few years. The fact Obama wasn't really honest about that doesn't reflect well on him but what the hell, being exposed to other cultures isn't a bad thing. Quite frankly I would come a lot closer to voting for a practicing muslim than a member of Obama's Christian church.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
Even more distrubing is Obama's friend, supporter and campaign contributor Bill AYers. he and his wife were memebrs of the domestic terrorist group the Weather Underground.
Here is what Ayers said after the attacks of 9/11.....
“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
Even more distrubing is Obama's friend, supporter and campaign contributor Bill AYers. he and his wife were memebrs of the domestic terrorist group the Weather Underground.
Here is what Ayers said after the attacks of 9/11.....
“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2498500
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
We should all do our part to stamp out racism in this country. That being said..why does it seem the racism that is given a pass today comes from the liberal side of the spectrum?
I've never understood why the left currently can say or do just about anything regarding racism...and they are given a pass on the outrage.
http:///forum/post/2498500
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
We should all do our part to stamp out racism in this country. That being said..why does it seem the racism that is given a pass today comes from the liberal side of the spectrum?
I've never understood why the left currently can say or do just about anything regarding racism...and they are given a pass on the outrage.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
Here is a well thought out position form an African American spiritual leader regarding the lapel pin and Obama's church.......
Bishop E. W. Jackson Sr., prominent black minister, once a top official in the Christian Coalition, blasted Barak Obama today for his lack of patriotism. "Frankly, I was incensed when he announced that he would no longer wear the American flag lapel pin. In fact I was shocked that Americans did not rise up. But this takes the cake. The Obamas have enjoyed success in law and politics. He has risen in a free political system that has proved to be the greatest in the world. Now he may be poised to become President of the United States. And yet his wife says this is the first time she has been proud of her country. They do not deserve the popularity they are enjoying, and they certainly do not deserve to occupy the White House."
Bishop Jackson also pointed out that until the campaign, Obama was following a Pastor – Rev. Jeremiah Wright - who gives awards to Lewis Farrakhan and calls America a racist country. "This is all starting to demonstrate a pattern" says Bishop Jackson. "Obama is apparently so far on the left that he has a problem with the flag and with having a real love and affection for his country. I am an African American, but I have been proud of my country for as long as I have been old enough to understand what America means to the world and why so many people around the world want to come here – freedom, opportunity and individual rights that are sacredly guarded."
Bishop Jackson is a minister, graduate of Harvard Law School and Adjunct Professor of Law at Strayer University. He is available for interviews and commentary
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
Here is a well thought out position form an African American spiritual leader regarding the lapel pin and Obama's church.......
Bishop E. W. Jackson Sr., prominent black minister, once a top official in the Christian Coalition, blasted Barak Obama today for his lack of patriotism. "Frankly, I was incensed when he announced that he would no longer wear the American flag lapel pin. In fact I was shocked that Americans did not rise up. But this takes the cake. The Obamas have enjoyed success in law and politics. He has risen in a free political system that has proved to be the greatest in the world. Now he may be poised to become President of the United States. And yet his wife says this is the first time she has been proud of her country. They do not deserve the popularity they are enjoying, and they certainly do not deserve to occupy the White House."
Bishop Jackson also pointed out that until the campaign, Obama was following a Pastor – Rev. Jeremiah Wright - who gives awards to Lewis Farrakhan and calls America a racist country. "This is all starting to demonstrate a pattern" says Bishop Jackson. "Obama is apparently so far on the left that he has a problem with the flag and with having a real love and affection for his country. I am an African American, but I have been proud of my country for as long as I have been old enough to understand what America means to the world and why so many people around the world want to come here – freedom, opportunity and individual rights that are sacredly guarded."
Bishop Jackson is a minister, graduate of Harvard Law School and Adjunct Professor of Law at Strayer University. He is available for interviews and commentary
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///forum/post/2498597
Alright, here's my issue...
1. I will NOT elect a president who does not have pride in our country
2. I will NOT elect a president who is tied to any religious doctorine to the point of being a puppet.
3.**********.
Only a small percentage of muslims are radical. You are entitled to your opinion.....but this only gives fuel to the Obama side of the specturm. We should rise above it....and call out Obama for supporting racism.
http:///forum/post/2498597
Alright, here's my issue...
1. I will NOT elect a president who does not have pride in our country
2. I will NOT elect a president who is tied to any religious doctorine to the point of being a puppet.
3.**********.
Only a small percentage of muslims are radical. You are entitled to your opinion.....but this only gives fuel to the Obama side of the specturm. We should rise above it....and call out Obama for supporting racism.
bdhutier
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2498790
I've never understood why the left currently can say or do just about anything regarding racism...and they are given a pass on the outrage.
Come one, Scuba... ABC, NBC, CBS, NYTimes, LA Times, the Trib, Newsweek, NPR, BBC, DW... need I go on? Exactly who's going to call them out?
http:///forum/post/2498790
I've never understood why the left currently can say or do just about anything regarding racism...and they are given a pass on the outrage.
Come one, Scuba... ABC, NBC, CBS, NYTimes, LA Times, the Trib, Newsweek, NPR, BBC, DW... need I go on? Exactly who's going to call them out?
oscardeuce
Active Member
Everyone discusses Romney's religion ( Mormon), but Obama's religion is off limits?
LBJ,JFK,FDR, BHO?
BTW,
I wear my buff and blue Sons of the American Revolution pin proudly on my lapel.
LBJ,JFK,FDR, BHO?
BTW,
I wear my buff and blue Sons of the American Revolution pin proudly on my lapel.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2500384
Everyone discusses Romney's religion ( Mormon), but Obama's religion is off limits?
LBJ,JFK,FDR, BHO?
BTW,
I wear my buff and blue Sons of the American Revolution pin proudly on my lapel.
This pin thing is stupid... Does Hilary wear a pin? Does John McCain where a pin? What about Huckabee? This by no means symbolizes patriotism. The only way the other candidates have a chance in this election is to play on your bigotry or fears. Obama was in Indonesia from ages 6-10. This should not have any relevance because he was subject to the same practices as his parents. Why doesn't anyone mention that after he was 10 he lived in Hawaii with his grandparents whom were not muslim. I believe his diverse background is an advantage. I don't believe his church is racist. I would say that most african american churches have a view that calls for the support of their community. I think you all forget or are ignorant to the historical contributions of the "black" church in civil rights and in the uplifting of its people.
http:///forum/post/2500384
Everyone discusses Romney's religion ( Mormon), but Obama's religion is off limits?
LBJ,JFK,FDR, BHO?
BTW,
I wear my buff and blue Sons of the American Revolution pin proudly on my lapel.
This pin thing is stupid... Does Hilary wear a pin? Does John McCain where a pin? What about Huckabee? This by no means symbolizes patriotism. The only way the other candidates have a chance in this election is to play on your bigotry or fears. Obama was in Indonesia from ages 6-10. This should not have any relevance because he was subject to the same practices as his parents. Why doesn't anyone mention that after he was 10 he lived in Hawaii with his grandparents whom were not muslim. I believe his diverse background is an advantage. I don't believe his church is racist. I would say that most african american churches have a view that calls for the support of their community. I think you all forget or are ignorant to the historical contributions of the "black" church in civil rights and in the uplifting of its people.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2498500
There are a lot more important flaws in his character/politics to worry about. He just handled the pin deal rather foolishly, doesn't really mean much other than he was pandering to the left. I was a bit troubled by how uneasy he was when responding to the Farrakhan issue.
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
Did the US Congress distance themselves from Strom Thurmond?
Did Ron Paul distance himself from the KKK?
Did McCain distance himself from John Hagee?
Farrakhan made some inappropriate remarks 20 years ago.. Whats interesting about him is that he has since worked directly with Christian and Jewish leaders and sought to improve their relationship. He was honored by the church for his work with ex-offenders. He also was the leader of the Million Man march which was to unify black men and to address the issues of black men such as fatherless homes and incarceration. My opinion of Farrakhan is that he is someone who has turned the page... I believe that he would denounce his views of 20 years ago.
http:///forum/post/2498500
There are a lot more important flaws in his character/politics to worry about. He just handled the pin deal rather foolishly, doesn't really mean much other than he was pandering to the left. I was a bit troubled by how uneasy he was when responding to the Farrakhan issue.
Could you imagine the chorus of scortched cats from the left if McCain belonged to a church that had honored David Duke?
Did the US Congress distance themselves from Strom Thurmond?
Did Ron Paul distance himself from the KKK?
Did McCain distance himself from John Hagee?
Farrakhan made some inappropriate remarks 20 years ago.. Whats interesting about him is that he has since worked directly with Christian and Jewish leaders and sought to improve their relationship. He was honored by the church for his work with ex-offenders. He also was the leader of the Million Man march which was to unify black men and to address the issues of black men such as fatherless homes and incarceration. My opinion of Farrakhan is that he is someone who has turned the page... I believe that he would denounce his views of 20 years ago.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500521
This pin thing is stupid... Does Hilary wear a pin? Does John McCain where a pin? What about Huckabee? This by no means symbolizes patriotism. The only way the other candidates have a chance in this election is to play on your bigotry or fears. Obama was in Indonesia from ages 6-10. This should not have any relevance because he was subject to the same practices as his parents. Why doesn't anyone mention that after he was 10 he lived in Hawaii with his grandparents whom were not muslim. I believe his diverse background is an advantage. I don't believe his church is racist. I would say that most african american churches have a view that calls for the support of their community. I think you all forget or are ignorant to the historical contributions of the "black" church in civil rights and in the uplifting of its people.
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
You're clearly glossing over the complaint many people have brought up regarding his church. No one has a problem with a church supporting the local community. When a church gives an award to a documented radical and racist, when the pastor preaches hate for the "white man" and "white America" from the pulpit, and the church is founded on statements like a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land", etc. That's where, as Christians, people of all races raise an eyebrow.
http:///forum/post/2500521
This pin thing is stupid... Does Hilary wear a pin? Does John McCain where a pin? What about Huckabee? This by no means symbolizes patriotism. The only way the other candidates have a chance in this election is to play on your bigotry or fears. Obama was in Indonesia from ages 6-10. This should not have any relevance because he was subject to the same practices as his parents. Why doesn't anyone mention that after he was 10 he lived in Hawaii with his grandparents whom were not muslim. I believe his diverse background is an advantage. I don't believe his church is racist. I would say that most african american churches have a view that calls for the support of their community. I think you all forget or are ignorant to the historical contributions of the "black" church in civil rights and in the uplifting of its people.
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
You're clearly glossing over the complaint many people have brought up regarding his church. No one has a problem with a church supporting the local community. When a church gives an award to a documented radical and racist, when the pastor preaches hate for the "white man" and "white America" from the pulpit, and the church is founded on statements like a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land", etc. That's where, as Christians, people of all races raise an eyebrow.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500543
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
You're clearly glossing over the complaint many people have brought up regarding his church. No one has a problem with a church supporting the local community. When a church gives an award to a documented radical and racist, when the pastor preaches hate for the "white man" and "white America" from the pulpit, and the church is founded on statements like a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land", etc. That's where, as Christians, people of all races raise an eyebrow.
I don't believe he preaches hate of the "white" man.. I may be wrong... but I haven't seen anything that would suggest this. I'm not a member of his church and have not heard his sermons... so if you can prove me wrong than fine... As far as white America... I don't think that is racist, its a reference to the America that blacks in a large part are excluded from or have difficulities in accessing. For example, this can be seen in the sub prime home loan issue we are having were minorities and blacks in particular are victims of in much higher levels..due to the fact that will all other characteristics being equal.. they were offered these loans at much higher rates and without other options.
"congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land",
I don't understand how this statement is racist.
http:///forum/post/2500543
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
You're clearly glossing over the complaint many people have brought up regarding his church. No one has a problem with a church supporting the local community. When a church gives an award to a documented radical and racist, when the pastor preaches hate for the "white man" and "white America" from the pulpit, and the church is founded on statements like a "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land", etc. That's where, as Christians, people of all races raise an eyebrow.
I don't believe he preaches hate of the "white" man.. I may be wrong... but I haven't seen anything that would suggest this. I'm not a member of his church and have not heard his sermons... so if you can prove me wrong than fine... As far as white America... I don't think that is racist, its a reference to the America that blacks in a large part are excluded from or have difficulities in accessing. For example, this can be seen in the sub prime home loan issue we are having were minorities and blacks in particular are victims of in much higher levels..due to the fact that will all other characteristics being equal.. they were offered these loans at much higher rates and without other options.
"congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land",
I don't understand how this statement is racist.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500543
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
I just don't have time to respond to 20 different questions...
Anyway, but if he brought it up... the issue must have already been raised by someone and he was simply addressing it... But after it was raised I intentionally looked for these pins on other candidates and didn't see them wearing them.
http:///forum/post/2500543
Well, I see you've abandoned the other thread where you called for debate.
The lapel pin issue was brought up by Obombus, not his critics. He tried to argue that wearing a lapel pin became a substitute for "true patriotism". That's where the issue began. Heck, I don't wear a lapel pin and I'm dang more patriotic than he or his wife will ever be.
I just don't have time to respond to 20 different questions...
Anyway, but if he brought it up... the issue must have already been raised by someone and he was simply addressing it... But after it was raised I intentionally looked for these pins on other candidates and didn't see them wearing them.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500581
I just don't have time to respond to 20 different questions...
Anyway, but if he brought it up... the issue must have already been raised by someone and he was simply addressing it... But after it was raised I intentionally looked for these pins on other candidates and didn't see them wearing them.
None of the other candidates said not wearing a lapel pin was "true patriotism"...
http:///forum/post/2500581
I just don't have time to respond to 20 different questions...
Anyway, but if he brought it up... the issue must have already been raised by someone and he was simply addressing it... But after it was raised I intentionally looked for these pins on other candidates and didn't see them wearing them.
None of the other candidates said not wearing a lapel pin was "true patriotism"...
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500535
Did the US Congress distance themselves from Strom Thurmond?
Did Ron Paul distance himself from the KKK?
Did McCain distance himself from John Hagee?
Farrakhan made some inappropriate remarks 20 years ago.. Whats interesting about him is that he has since worked directly with Christian and Jewish leaders and sought to improve their relationship. He was honored by the church for his work with ex-offenders. He also was the leader of the Million Man march which was to unify black men and to address the issues of black men such as fatherless homes and incarceration. My opinion of Farrakhan is that he is someone who has turned the page... I believe that he would denounce his views of 20 years ago.
Hagee, to the best of my knowledge (admittedly, limited regarding him.) is not a racist. He preaches against the Catholic church. That's a theological debate, not one of race.
Ron Paul is an idiot to whom the Republicans refuse to even acknowledge is running for president. If you want to compare Ron's ties to the KKK with Senator Byrd (D) we can certainly do that on a different thread.
Thurmond vs Farakhan. Why don't you find a few quotes that Thurmond has said that compare with Farakhan's:
*"White people are potential humans- They haven't evolved yet" Philadelphia Enquirer, 2000
*Many of the Jews who owned the homes, the apartments in the black community, we considered them bloodsuckers because they took from our community and built their community but didn't offer anything back to our community" CNN 1995
*"When the Jews left, the Palestinian Arabs came, Koreans came, Vietnamese...and we call them bloodsuckers" CNN 1995
*"Qaddafi is hated because he is the leader of a small country that is rich, but he uses his money to finance liberation struggles."Louis Farrakhan Savior's Day Speech, Chicago, February 25, 1996
*"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man..." CNN 1995 Quoting 94 speech
*"Murder and lying comes easy for white people." CNN 1995-- quoting 1994 speech
*"They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters." (referring to Hezbollah)Louis Farrakhan at District Council 33 Union Hall, Philadelphia, April 22, 1996