I wish OBAMA would wear an American Flag pin (at least)

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2505077
I think you guys are missing the arugment about Hagee. Hagee isn't McCains pastor, heck hagee isn't even a pastor. In "christian" circles they view the relationship between the church member is in willing submitting himself to the spiritual guidence of the pastor. Much like the relationship between the father and son, except you get to choose the father. The next step is that obama has submitted himself to the teaching of someone who willingly honors a racist. Thus the issue. Hopefully that helps some non-church people understand the hang up.
Hagee is a nut, but he is does has some base for what he said, *does not reflect my views* but most protestant circles will define a cult as a religion that has one leader who has the power to grant entrance to whatever they call "heaven." Traditionally the Catholic church preached that. So he then equates that to a cult. Now I don't really agree with that but that is a theological question. And not really important in the grand sceme of things.
Hagee is small time, I'm sure we could find some other small time hack that has shared a stage with obama that can offer some other juicy website debates. Not that I'm even going to bother trying to find some.
Farrakhan doesn't have the same characterization in the black community...
Hagee is not small time... He is one of the highest paid televanglists TV... There is also controversy about his finances because he makes well over $1 million from donor supported ministries... He has his own shows on tv. The fact is that he didn't just share a stage..McCain asked him for his support and endorsement....

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2506024
The fact of the matter is that black people consider Africa their native land and I see nothing wrong with having some sort of commitment to the improving the lives of people who live there. ...its simply missionary work.
So, white people must also commit? Personally, I feel I owe the black community nothing more than the white community.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2506024
Are you serious? I am a Christian... but I don't hate homosexuals... New Orleans is not some hotbed for this... This argument by Hagee is ridiculous... if this was a dilberate "act of God" for immoral behavior there are a lot of worse places He could have raged his vengence on. Las Vegas, New York, Miami, L.A, S.F,D.C and so on. The Hurricane as far as I know did little damage to the French Qtr compared to other parts... McCain sought this guys endorsement... Obama did not... and Obama isn't arguing or has he made a statement about this... Africa was considered (northern portions) the Middle East.
The fact of the matter is that black people consider Africa their native land and I see nothing wrong with having some sort of commitment to the improving the lives of people who live there. ...its simply missionary work.
My last point is a person that hates someone because of race or religion or any other characteristic is in the same category.
Rylan, I never said anywhere anything about "hating" homosexuals. You're the first one to say anything like that on this thread.
I also made it clear that I didn't believe New Orleans was any more "sinful" than any other city. That said, your Bible teaches God does punish for sin, correct?
Not that it matters, but again the Bible teaches that man originated in Mesopotamia. (That's not in Africa)
Rylan, I have no problem with missionary work. I do, however, have a problem when Americans believe: "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization..." and "a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA". You're trying to nominalize what Obombus's church teaches.
As the Bible teaches, you cannot serve to masters. You can't pledge allegance to the American Flag, swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and yet have a Non-negotiable commitment to Africa...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2506065
Rylan, I never said anywhere anything about "hating" homosexuals. You're the first one to say anything like that on this thread.
I also made it clear that I didn't believe New Orleans was any more "sinful" than any other city. That said, your Bible teaches God does punish for sin, correct?
Not that it matters, but again the Bible teaches that man originated in Mesopotamia. (That's not in Africa)
Rylan, I have no problem with missionary work. I do, however, have a problem when Americans believe: "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization..." and "a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA". You're trying to nominalize what Obombus's church teaches.
As the Bible teaches, you cannot serve to masters. You can't pledge allegance to the American Flag, swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and yet have a Non-negotiable commitment to Africa...
As a Christian then.... none of these two things should be your master... Well once Adam and Eve were kicked out...whose to say they didn't go to Africa? Its not that far away..

I'll say that Wright's views may be a little overly afrocentric according to what is on the site... I haven't been to the church so I really am limited to my comments, but I don't see it as racist.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506047
So, white people must also commit? Personally, I feel I owe the black community nothing more than the white community.
No I'm not saying that, but for african americans... Africa is the"motherland" and because of our history... the continent holds a greater significance to us, and african americans who have the opportunity to go there have a spiritual experience when they get there.... I don't know if "spirtual" is the correct word I want to use ...but they do have some sort of life changing experience.....

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2506083
As a Christian then.... none of these two things should be your master... Well once Adam and Eve were kicked out...whose to say they didn't go to Africa? Its not that far away..

I'll say that Wright's views may be a little overly afrocentric according to what is on the site... I haven't been to the church so I really am limited to my comments, but I don't see it as racist.
Rylan...

Two Masters... I was explaining you can't pledge allegance to one country and have and yet have a "non-negotiable commitment" to another Continent. I wasn't specifically applying the verse that references "two masters".
Rylan, it doesn't matter where Adam and Eve went after they left the garden. If they weren't created in Africa then Mankind didn't come from Africa. Please read Genesis Chpt 3. God placed the guards to the east of the Garden. Cain went east when he was banished. Sure their decendents eventually moved to Africa. That said, again, from a Biblical perspective, despite what Obama's Church webpage says, Mankind did not begin in Africa.... The "all men came from Africa" argument goes directly against scripture.
Rylan, I say this respectfully, but you are allowing your biasis to cloud your judgement. Just earlier on this thread you called someone out for language that could be considered offensive and racial, yet you can read a webpage that talks exclusively about "black" this and that and not see any racial implications? Imagine if you read a webpage that said "White" this and that.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2506037
Farrakhan doesn't have the same characterization in the black community...
Hagee is not small time... He is one of the highest paid televanglists TV... There is also controversy about his finances because he makes well over $1 million from donor supported ministries... He has his own shows on tv. The fact is that he didn't just share a stage..McCain asked him for his support and endorsement....

How come you never responded to my post quoting about 20 different racist democrats. And various examples of legislation passed that "reached out to blacks?" Maybe it isn't color, but political orientation...
lol, he isn't that big, (a backround info) Hagee and some others all came up about the same time following Oral Roberts. They all branched off into various ministeries. And some of those branched off into other major ministeries. Hagee in my mind went off the deepend when he started focusing on the more end time stuff. And has faded quite a bit. He isn't small time in the country 15 people church; he still makes his money, but he is not a mega church pastor. I guess that is where I was coming from. But he is small time compared to other more mainstream ministers who branched off from Oral Roberts Ministeries. Heck Joel Osteen had strong ties to those ministeries before he died, his son now pastors a 50,000 member church and has multiple best selling books.

 

[reefraff]

I like whoopi goldberg's view on this “Call me an a**hole, call me a blowhard, but don’t call me an African-American. Please. It divides us as a nation and as a people and it kinda pisses me off. It diminishes everything I’ve accomplished...”
That is from her book. I watched a Biography show on her and she said she doesn't like hyphens and when you place anything before American it takes away from who she is.