:( Ich in Reef

cydab

Member
I guess i got lucky Thanks
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3131985
If the gills are infested with ich, I
wouldn't touch the temp or salinity. It's easier for them to respire in lower salinity and there will be more oxygen available to them at lower temps.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
raising the salinity and maintaining the temp at around 80 worked in my tank,
Excuse my stupidity but can someone tell me how this brakes the life cycle of ick
 

cranberry

Active Member
I have no idea about the salinity (never heard that one before), but the raise in temperature comes from them being treated in a QT. I don't personally do it because of the stress raising temperature brings, but it's to get the ich off the fish faster into their vulnerable stage where hopefully they will be eliminated in the treated (hypo/copper/whatever) water. I have no idea what advantage it would have in a tank without treatment except get them to reproduce/complete their lifecycle faster.... which definitely isn't advantageous.
 

meowzer

Moderator
I have also heard of the temp raising thing, the same reasoning as Cranberry has stated....not the higher salinity though
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Oh so again excuse my stupidity but raising the temp in and of its self does not brake the life cycle of ick
 

meowzer

Moderator
NO...it does not break the cycle....SUPPOSEDLY it speeds the cycle up

I am only saying what I have heard...I have no personal knowledge of this happening
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3132027
NO...it does not break the cycle....SUPPOSEDLY it speeds the cycle up%%
I am only saying what I have heard...I have no personal knowledge of this happening
WOW ok I was being facetious no where in the post is there a mention that this was done in conjunction with copper hence my post
BTW I do have a little knowledge of ick and its treatment
 

cranberry

Active Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3132029
WOW ok I was being facetious no where in the post is there a mention that this was done in conjunction with copper hence my post
BTW I do have a little knowledge of ick and its treatment
No, it's not being used in this situation. Thereby I see not benefits of doing so in an untreated environment.... not that I even raise the temp while actually treating. Their cycle is fast enough, IMO and there's no need to hurry it along. If the fish are heavily infested and you think time is of the essence... I still don't agree with it. If they are heavily infested I think it would do more harm then good to raise the tempeature.
 

mech-a-nic

Member
There is only 2 cures...... Copper or Hypo...That being said Lots of people have tryed using Garlic (Myself included) to help the fish fight the infections.
It took 3 weeks but the garlic worked for me I will contue to treat there food with it. If you can easly catch the fish or remove the "reef" thats the way to go. But as I said I had 200lbs of rock with several corals to think of. I treated and hoped for the best. 6 weeks since I saw any ICK and counting.
 

dani

Member
Unfortunately as I've said, I can't do copper or Hypo :(
When I left this office this afternoon, they were eagerly eating their mysis and going about things as usual in the tank..
I did notice the clown doing "touch and go's" on the cc, but the tangs were not and happily searching for food. The angel cruises about, also.
Will have to see how they are when i get there in the am..
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Wow, there sure are a lot of good ole hobby related wives tales running in this topic.
First, I would not consider the so-called maintenance method as an ich treatment. Basically, in this situation, the very best you can hope for is keeping the parasite in relative check; meaning that, while the parasite is present and infecting fish, it doesn't overwhelm the fish. All fish introduced in to such a tank, will inevitably contract the parasite. Any small incident in the tank, such as temperature variation, drop in pH, laxity in water quality, etc., etc., will, more likely than not, result in an all-out ich infestation, and, since the fish are already weakened due to "being maintained with ich," they will very likely succumb in a nasty and devasting way.
QT is stressful and worse then the disease? WOW. I haven't heard that one in a good long while. The point to a QT is to use it before your fish ever get into your display tank. For the most part, you can avoid all parasitic infestations by quarantining first. Avoiding parasitic infestations is most of the battle when it comes to fish diseases. Anything else, such as bacterial and viral infections, can best be handled through good tank and fish husbandry.
Raising the water temperature does nothing to treat ich. Nothing. In order to eradicate ich via raising water temperature, the hobbyist would have to raise it enough to kill off everything in the tank. Raising the temp (without killing the fish or the parasite) will accelerate the life cycle of ich, making the actual treatment a possibility a bit sooner, and relieving your fish of attached parasites a bit sooner. This never works without adequate ich treatment, such as hyposalinity or copper. Raising temp can also create other problems, such as those already mentioned in this topic.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, and are free to share their opinion here at SWF.com, don’t be shocked when others, who know what they are talking about, refute that opinion. Hobbyists who come to this forum with fish disease problems are usually in crisis mode with their fish tanks and diseased fish. They want and need to get viable answers and solutions. Just like I know you want to get that kind of help when you are dealing with a hobby crisis that you can’t handle on your own. So, if you give bad advice, you may find someone who will correct you. My hope is that all of that exchange will occur in a courteous and respectful manner. We are here to share and learn from each other. That exchange among follow hobbyists is one of the best aspects of this hobby.
In this situation, it is easy enough to set up a cheap QT using a rectangular Rubbermaid to the size you need which you can get from Home Depot. Since it’s “crisis” uncycled QT, your only viable option is hyposalinity. Expect to spend a lot of time taking care of the QT. In my view, reef tanks MUST have QT’s to support it. Otherwise, you will inevitably have to deal with this kind of scenario. You can bite the bullet and deal with this nightmare as I suggested, or you can let fate take its course.
 
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abeandlulu

Guest
I would let nature take its course. Is there someone in the wild taking care of the fish when they get ick? Cleaner shrimp are here for a reason. Im not trying to be disrespectful but, fish get ick in the wild all the time and no one is there to "treat the water", or put them in a "QT" tank. They take care of it on there own. Isn't that what we are trying to do to "replicate" there natural environment. The fish would try and find a "shrimp" to rid them of the white bumps from the ich to relieve them of the irritation from the parasite to make them feel better. (If you had a fish that had ich they spend most of there day rubbing themself on rock trying to get the bumps off them, which can cause more damage from the gagged edges from the rocks). I am just trying to give a "natural" solution to the problem. Well the best "I" know how.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by abeandlulu
http:///forum/post/3132994
I would let nature take its course. Is there someone in the wild taking care of the fish when they get ick? Cleaner shrimp are here for a reason. Im not trying to be disrespectful but, fish get ick in the wild all the time and no one is there to "treat the water", or put them in a "QT" tank. They take care of it on there own. Isn't that what we are trying to do to "replicate" there natural environment. The fish would try and find a "shrimp" to rid them of the white bumps from the ich to relieve them of the irritation from the parasite to make them feel better. (If you had a fish that had ich they spend most of there day rubbing themself on rock trying to get the bumps off them, which can cause more damage from the gagged edges from the rocks). I am just trying to give a "natural" solution to the problem. Well the best "I" know how.
Actually ick in the open ocean is rare. When it does accrue it is the dilution and currents that protect the fish from a full-blown infestation. The closed system in which inportors as well as retailers and hobbyists are what perpetuates ick. IMO there is no “let nature take its course” cure for ick in a closed system
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Exactly right. Ich becomes a life-threatening plague only in the marine fish tank environment. It is the fish's captivity in combination with a closed environment (fish tank) that turns a relatively harmless parasite into a potential killer.
For this reason, you see why the hobbyist needs to take the extra steps to prevent this problem. That is quarantine new fish.
 

cranberry

Active Member
Originally Posted by abeandlulu
http:///forum/post/3132994
Isn't that what we are trying to do to "replicate" there natural environment.
Totally understand my response is polite. But I think our aquariums are a very poor likeness to the natural environment. I can flip through page after page of example on how NOT natural our tanks are. Mind you, actual biotopes are the exception, but you'll be hard pressed to find examples of such on these forums. Let's tank my 50g pent for example. I have rock from Tonga and Marshall island in there. Some of my fish come from Cebu and from a breeder's tank in Florida. They have three feet of pacing room. I have macros from Texas, Florida and from th eJersey shore. Snails from every region. They have noise galore and pumps vibrating them (put your ear against your tank). Faces pressed against the glass. And they get to watch xbox all day. We feed them foods that they probably never ate before.
There is no replication going.
 
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