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al mc
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Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2691680
so im thinking that while i save up enough money to start a QT i am going to go with the garlic option and get Stop Parasite.....will this be a good thing or should i avoid this idea?
With the situation you have, IF I had to use a bottled medication I would use Kick-Ich. When I first came into the hobby I used the product before I knew better treatment options and relied on advice from my LFS. It should help decrease the parasitic load and with the inverts you described be 'safe' for them.
Cleaner shrimp: Hit or miss. They will set up cleaning stations and if the fish allow them to clean will do a job at reducing the parasitic burden and remove any dead tissue as well.
Garlic: I would use fresh garlic, if any. The theoretical active ingredient degrades quickly...so IMHO bottled preps of garlic are worthless. I have commented on garlic before (forgive me Joe and Sep about the soap box I am about to climb up on)...There are no scientific, peer reviewed studies that have show that garlic is immune boosting in mammals or aquatic organisms.
If you find one I would like to read it as I will be able to scientifically justify why I have used it at times. It may help, it may not. It does not appear to hinder. Do I use it at times..yes...why
http:///forum/post/2691680
so im thinking that while i save up enough money to start a QT i am going to go with the garlic option and get Stop Parasite.....will this be a good thing or should i avoid this idea?
With the situation you have, IF I had to use a bottled medication I would use Kick-Ich. When I first came into the hobby I used the product before I knew better treatment options and relied on advice from my LFS. It should help decrease the parasitic load and with the inverts you described be 'safe' for them.
Cleaner shrimp: Hit or miss. They will set up cleaning stations and if the fish allow them to clean will do a job at reducing the parasitic burden and remove any dead tissue as well.
Garlic: I would use fresh garlic, if any. The theoretical active ingredient degrades quickly...so IMHO bottled preps of garlic are worthless. I have commented on garlic before (forgive me Joe and Sep about the soap box I am about to climb up on)...There are no scientific, peer reviewed studies that have show that garlic is immune boosting in mammals or aquatic organisms.
If you find one I would like to read it as I will be able to scientifically justify why I have used it at times. It may help, it may not. It does not appear to hinder. Do I use it at times..yes...why
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2691680
so im thinking that while i save up enough money to start a QT i am going to go with the garlic option and get Stop Parasite.....will this be a good thing or should i avoid this idea?
I have used Stop Parasites and was not impressed with it at all. It smells terribly and really clouds up the water. I used that for a week before doing my first hypo. At the time I just had some rocks and inverts in the tank. I removed those and hypoed the display. Kick ick seems to get the best review on here. I have heard of it melting corals too, so that will be up to you.
The shrimp are hit and miss. Some people have ones that will not clean anything at all. Being that you have a puffer, I wouldn't bother. The evidence of garlic working is anecdotal. There is no scientific evidence as of yet. I would agree that it does seem to help boost the fish's immune system, to an extent, so therefore should help them fight off the parasites. It is not proven though.
http:///forum/post/2691680
so im thinking that while i save up enough money to start a QT i am going to go with the garlic option and get Stop Parasite.....will this be a good thing or should i avoid this idea?
I have used Stop Parasites and was not impressed with it at all. It smells terribly and really clouds up the water. I used that for a week before doing my first hypo. At the time I just had some rocks and inverts in the tank. I removed those and hypoed the display. Kick ick seems to get the best review on here. I have heard of it melting corals too, so that will be up to you.
The shrimp are hit and miss. Some people have ones that will not clean anything at all. Being that you have a puffer, I wouldn't bother. The evidence of garlic working is anecdotal. There is no scientific evidence as of yet. I would agree that it does seem to help boost the fish's immune system, to an extent, so therefore should help them fight off the parasites. It is not proven though.
dfabrikant
Member
When you purchase a new fish how long should you keep him in QT before adding to the main tank? Im so afraid of adding new fish and missing ich or something on it..should they be treated with something to prevent spreading something?
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by dfabrikant
http:///forum/post/2691982
When you purchase a new fish how long should you keep him in QT before adding to the main tank? Im so afraid of adding new fish and missing ich or something on it..should they be treated with something to prevent spreading something?
Some members Hypo their new fish. I personally just observe them for a month or so.
http:///forum/post/2691982
When you purchase a new fish how long should you keep him in QT before adding to the main tank? Im so afraid of adding new fish and missing ich or something on it..should they be treated with something to prevent spreading something?
Some members Hypo their new fish. I personally just observe them for a month or so.
payton 350
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2691997
Some members Hypo their new fish. I personally just observe them for a month or so.
In a separate tank? or the DT
http:///forum/post/2691997
Some members Hypo their new fish. I personally just observe them for a month or so.
In a separate tank? or the DT
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by Payton 350
http:///forum/post/2692372
In a separate tank? or the DT
In a QT. You cannot hypo the DT with rocks and inverts in there.
http:///forum/post/2692372
In a separate tank? or the DT
In a QT. You cannot hypo the DT with rocks and inverts in there.
payton 350
Member
That's what i figured and assumed but from your post it could have maybe been interpreted as in the DT and wanted to make sure newbies didn't misconstrue it
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by Payton 350
http:///forum/post/2692797
That's what i figured and assumed but from your post it could have maybe been interpreted as in the DT and wanted to make sure newbies didn't misconstrue it
I apologize if it was not clear. The person that I was replying to asked about fish in a QT though.
Originally Posted by dfabrikant
http:///forum/post/2691982
When you purchase a new fish how long should you keep him in QT before adding to the main tank? Im so afraid of adding new fish and missing ich or something on it..should they be treated with something to prevent spreading something?
http:///forum/post/2692797
That's what i figured and assumed but from your post it could have maybe been interpreted as in the DT and wanted to make sure newbies didn't misconstrue it
I apologize if it was not clear. The person that I was replying to asked about fish in a QT though.
Originally Posted by dfabrikant
http:///forum/post/2691982
When you purchase a new fish how long should you keep him in QT before adding to the main tank? Im so afraid of adding new fish and missing ich or something on it..should they be treated with something to prevent spreading something?
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2693544
should i run my protein skimmer while i use kick ich?
If it is like the one that I used then no. It will skim the medication out.
http:///forum/post/2693544
should i run my protein skimmer while i use kick ich?
If it is like the one that I used then no. It will skim the medication out.
tdog7879
Member
Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2691739
try seachem focus and metronidazole with some vitality. Soak it in there food.
This should control the ICH.
I think you shoould go with this then you don't have to worry about turnning off your protien skimmer!!!1
http:///forum/post/2691739
try seachem focus and metronidazole with some vitality. Soak it in there food.
This should control the ICH.
I think you shoould go with this then you don't have to worry about turnning off your protien skimmer!!!1
sepulatian
Moderator
Here is a search on Kick ich
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/newsearch/?search=&type=all
Hopefully you can find something in there. I have not used it. I have used "reef safe" meds and the skimmer has to go off. It does make the water gross.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/newsearch/?search=&type=all
Hopefully you can find something in there. I have not used it. I have used "reef safe" meds and the skimmer has to go off. It does make the water gross.
sepulatian
Moderator
Focus™ is an antibacterial polymer for internal infections of fish. It may be used alone or mixed with other medications to make them palatable to fish and greatly reduce the loss of medication to the water through diffusion.
Metronidazole is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish
Vitality is a vitamin.
So we have a product for bacterial infections, another for bacterial, but claims to help with protozoans, and a vitamin that isn't high in lipids, nor fatty acids, nor vitamin C. What is the reason for these when the fish have ich?
Metronidazole is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish
Vitality is a vitamin.
So we have a product for bacterial infections, another for bacterial, but claims to help with protozoans, and a vitamin that isn't high in lipids, nor fatty acids, nor vitamin C. What is the reason for these when the fish have ich?
greg9871
Member
Originally Posted by staylor21
http:///forum/post/2693725
should i turn off my filter as well.....i have a whisper 60 power filter and i believe it has carbon bags or something like that im not really sure...
if it has carbon in it just remove the carbon until you are done treating but leave the pump on to keep up circulation, if you left the carbon in it would absorb some of the chemicals and then release them at a possible bad time
http:///forum/post/2693725
should i turn off my filter as well.....i have a whisper 60 power filter and i believe it has carbon bags or something like that im not really sure...
if it has carbon in it just remove the carbon until you are done treating but leave the pump on to keep up circulation, if you left the carbon in it would absorb some of the chemicals and then release them at a possible bad time
tdog7879
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2693704
Focus™ is an antibacterial polymer for internal infections of fish. It may be used alone or mixed with other medications to make them palatable to fish and greatly reduce the loss of medication to the water through diffusion.
Metronidazole is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish
Vitality is a vitamin.
So we have a product for bacterial infections, another for bacterial, but claims to help with protozoans, and a vitamin that isn't high in lipids, nor fatty acids, nor vitamin C. What is the reason for these when the fish have ich?
Focus is for internal infection...metronidazole is for treatment of cryptocaryon hexamita ichthyophthirius......vitality full of amino acid and vitiaim C. You combine focus with metronidazole so it will bond to the fish food. The vitality is just extra you can use garlic too...I made the suggestion to do this because you are using these products with food only. So that means you don't have to add anything directly to the tank or have to worry about turnning on and off equp. I have had seen great results with useing these products. Plus ...it is simple!
http:///forum/post/2693704
Focus™ is an antibacterial polymer for internal infections of fish. It may be used alone or mixed with other medications to make them palatable to fish and greatly reduce the loss of medication to the water through diffusion.
Metronidazole is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish
Vitality is a vitamin.
So we have a product for bacterial infections, another for bacterial, but claims to help with protozoans, and a vitamin that isn't high in lipids, nor fatty acids, nor vitamin C. What is the reason for these when the fish have ich?
Focus is for internal infection...metronidazole is for treatment of cryptocaryon hexamita ichthyophthirius......vitality full of amino acid and vitiaim C. You combine focus with metronidazole so it will bond to the fish food. The vitality is just extra you can use garlic too...I made the suggestion to do this because you are using these products with food only. So that means you don't have to add anything directly to the tank or have to worry about turnning on and off equp. I have had seen great results with useing these products. Plus ...it is simple!