I'd like to see an African American or female president in 2008

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
The point of all this is that the voters don't seem to have a clue how to make this decision. I don't know how the American people get it wrong so often. But my "racist" opinion would further the goal of social equality in this country.
Until Obama got the US blown to smithereens.
Honestly, when I saw him at the DNC in 2004, I was impressed. Smart, non party line, and direct. But to lead the nation...Nah. Simply not enough experience. Way too caught up in his own recent popularity.

 

[reefernana]

Originally Posted by NigerBang
Crimzy was asking a question that had nothing to do with Bush...Yet you take your little jabs?...Do you think you are making a difference in this country? Yes we all know how you feel....Think you might be able to stay focused to talk about the point at hand..
I dont mean to flame.and I really wish you could hear my voice to know that I am not trying to be a jerk...I just dont want to see this Thread derailed into the same bog of back and forth most political threads end up...
Ya know, I haven't been entering this very biased aquarium recently because it is usually one forum after another that starts out with an opinion and then another opinion comes back to shout down the previous opinion and on and on it goes. People start these threads I have come to realize just to get these very reactions. The reason I am responding to this one NIGERBANG is because this response of yours to MIKE22CHA is exactly what I'm talking about. You are jabbing at Mike's supposed jab but all he was doing was responding to TRIGGA22's jab on Hilary being a big liar, as he put it, to begin with. Now why do you have a problem with him then saying that Bush is a liar? Hillary is but Bush isn't??? What you really are saying to him is that it's okay to respond to CRIMZY's thread as long as you don't talk against who you believe in. At least that's how it sounds to me. Why is it that only certain people on here get to say whatever they want, no matter how bad it may offend others, but they can't take it when someone else has an opposite opinion of theirs? You guys really have to stop being so full of yourselves and understand that just because you believe in whatever it is you believe in doesn't make it the only way to think nor does it make it right!

 

[reefforbrains]

Obama does have some depth to him, but I agree he lacks the exp.
He is quite well spoken and very quick on his feet which WILL get him higher politically but I think he is an aweful choice for leader as he sits currently. He has lots to learn.
I hope if one thing comes from having a canidate that is a minority it is this-
I just hope he can inspire some of the masses that "dont bother" voting into action. The bulk of the black population unfortunatley doesnt vote. It is refreshing to think about the change that could happen when we even nudge actual participaion from deeper demographics across the board.
I wont be voting for him, but who knows? I do look forward to some changes, just not re-inventing the wheel.
JMO

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
How about a Hispanic president?
Don Diego Vega!

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by crimzy
I don't really like Hillary that much. Obama seems like a good candidate. Does he have a chance to win? Will this country elect a black president, if he's the best man for the job?
If there is no good republican, I believe I will vote for Obama. I agree with most of what he stands for.

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by reefernana
Ya know, I haven't been entering this very biased aquarium recently because it is usually one forum after another that starts out with an opinion and then another opinion comes back to shout down the previous opinion and on and on it goes. People start these threads I have come to realize just to get these very reactions. The reason I am responding to this one NIGERBANG is because this response of yours to MIKE22CHA is exactly what I'm talking about. You are jabbing at Mike's supposed jab but all he was doing was responding to TRIGGA22's jab on Hilary being a big liar, as he put it, to begin with. Now why do you have a problem with him then saying that Bush is a liar? Hillary is but Bush isn't??? What you really are saying to him is that it's okay to respond to CRIMZY's thread as long as you don't talk against who you believe in. At least that's how it sounds to me. Why is it that only certain people on here get to say whatever they want, no matter how bad it may offend others, but they can't take it when someone else has an opposite opinion of theirs? You guys really have to stop being so full of yourselves and understand that just because you believe in whatever it is you believe in doesn't make it the only way to think nor does it make it right!
It just happened to be the one I grabbed...What I was talking about was all jabs...Not one way or the other..I think that anyone who is trying to have a conversation and show their side in this thread is great...You are right..They way it was presented was that I was poking at Mike...It didnt come out right, I meant Mike, Trigga, or anyone sidetrackiing.....You are correct, I was seeming like a hypocrite...I didnt mean to ...I just dont want to see this go downhill with "Clinton bashing, Bush bashing..." Sorry for the misunderstanding..

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
If there is no good republican, I believe I will vote for Obama. I agree with most of what he stands for.

You will have to write him in then, I don't see him making the ballot.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by crimzy
You can call me a racist or sexist... that's cool. I don't see the correlation between my wanting to break down a barrier and being a racist but it really doesn't matter. You are entitled to your opinion.
But let's not act like everyone else in the country is voting for the right people either. After all, we elected the jackass in office now (not me, I didn't vote for him either time). This guy was elected because, as you say, people thought he would do the best job. As it turns out, he has been the most corrupt and damaging president this country has ever seen.
On a more local front, the mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick, is now serving his second term in office. Throughout his time in office, issues have been discovered left and right about him misusing the city's funds, buying cars for family members, taking lavish trips, etc. Just yesterday, a civil jury awarded a verdict against him, in favor of 2 former police officers, for $6.5 million. He had fired them because they were investigating a crime-ridden party that occurred in the Mayor's mansion. A couple mayors before him, the people elected Coleman Young, who dessimated the city.
The point of all this is that the voters don't seem to have a clue how to make this decision. I don't know how the American people get it wrong so often. But my "racist" opinion would further the goal of social equality in this country.
Do you think this guy's youth had anything to do with it? It seems to me that he likes to party... and he also seems to have done some good up there... But this happens all over the place...like in Jersey with the mayor and other political figures who got caught taking bribes.

 

[rylan1]

People keep saying Hilary has experience and she really doesn't. Obama has more political exp than she does... I believe he became a Senator in 2004, put prior to that he was in the Ill state sentate. Hilary's 1st elected position was her current one.
What did Bush do prior to him becoming govenor? Was this his first elected president after only 6 years of political experience.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Do you think this guy's youth had anything to do with it? It seems to me that he likes to party... and he also seems to have done some good up there... But this happens all over the place...like in Jersey with the mayor and other political figures who got caught taking bribes.
You are right, he does like to party. Kwame's a guy with a hip-hop mentality and image. He won the last election by portraying his opponent, Freman Hendrix, as an Uncle Tom because he wanted to bring relations closer between the city and the suberbs. Kwame's a bad guy and he uses racial stereotypes to appeal to the ignorant voter. He even stated, after the verdict was entered against him, that he was found liable only because there was only 1 "Detroiter" on the jury and that he'd talk to him. My understanding is that the trial was a formality and the only real issue that the jury discussed was the amount of damages.

 

[jerthunter]

Just a thought. Would Hilary be a good first female president? I am asking if she would be a good president, people all have opinions on that. What I am wondering is would the fact that many people would think she rode in on her husband's coattails take away from the significance of being the first woman US president?

 

[jovial]

How about a president that doen't lie cheat or steal. I think this would be more important.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jovial
How about a president that doen't lie cheat or steal. I think this would be more important.
how do you find one of those

your a dreamer

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
how do you find one of those

your a dreamer
Agreed, they may not cheat and steal but they all lie.

 

[royal gang]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
How about a Hispanic president?
Oh yeah! Seems like a great Idea for illegals in my backyard and to see this great nation turn into mexico!!!

 

[royal gang]

Originally Posted by Jovial
How about a president that doesn't lie cheat or steal. I think this would be more important.
Lol... someone not lying doesn't mean it makes him better, maybe he is honest but the truth is always the truth no matter what they say. Maybe the truth is not good..............

 

[jovial]

IMO honesty is the most important attribute. The truth is always good, it may not always be what we want to hear though. Yes reefreak29 I know... Im dreaming.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jovial
IMO honesty is the most important attribute. The truth is always good, it may not always be what we want to hear though. Yes reefreak29 I know... Im dreaming.
As long as there are only two parties with a chance of electing a president you'll never get the truth. Anyone with views that will earn them a win in the primary will never win a general election and they know it. They either gotta sucker the base in the primary or the middle in the general.

 

[jovial]

I agree with you and really wish there was a chance for a change, someone completely independent of either party. This is what frustrates me the most with our political system. Unless you have deep pockets you simply dont have a chance. Does this mean you dont have a chance at making a difference though?

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
In my best Borat voice, "Not so much"

Agreed... Race is an ignorant issue to base a presidential hopeful on anyway.
How would making a black man president do anything for "social progress" anyway? Do we really need to do more to "close the gap" on minorities in this country? I think there is more than enough programs in place directed at minorities, and they get abused (by people of all color including whites).