ID some SPS for me? Thanks

hefner413

hefner413

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I got these awesome SPS from awesome TX Reef, and I'm trying to ID them add. He told me a couple of them, but I'm trying to find out scientific if possible too. Anybody know em?
Yeah, some were bleached from shipping when I took the pics, some are looking a bit better now.
Anyway, Thanks. I'll number them, please just refer to the number when you reply.
HERE'S THE GROUP

Individuals::
1.

2. A staghorn

3. Montipora Digita - is this simply called a Monti?

4.

5.

6.

7. A green slimer - anybody know scientific?

8.

THANKS!
 
teen

teen

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7. is acropora youngei i believe. not even sure if i spelt that right.
idk if you'll get an id on any of the others. its really hard to ID frags.
 
jmick

jmick

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It's hard to tell based on your pics...would help if they were a little bigger and got some color back. Pics 1 and 3 look like they have RTN.
 
hefner413

hefner413

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Yeah, here's some updated pics I took tonight - a little better since I used the tripod this time. It has been 13 days since those pics above. Tell me if you think they are still possibly RTN.
And here are the replies on names so far:
1. ?
2. steve elias staghorn
3. Montipora Digita
4. Pollicillipora
5. ?
6. ?
7. Acropora Yongei (is this same as a green slimer?)
8. ?
Here are the new pics::
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2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.
 
teen

teen

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#1 is done for.
#3 doesnt look like its gotten any worse, so hopefully it will pull through.
the rest its hard to tell because it seems they've all browned out, and once again, its very hard to ID frags.
 
teen

teen

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browned out means that the coral has basically turned brown from stress. this could be from shipping, poor water quality, poor flow, too much lighting, not enough lighting, or a number of other things.
best thing to do is make sure water quality is in line, and make sure flow and everything else is up to par. it could take them weeks, or months to get there color back.
 
hefner413

hefner413

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Numbers 2 and 3 have become brown since I received them. Numbers 4 - 8 had been brown since they arrived. I just assumed that brown was their natural color...
My parameters are right in line, and I have plenty of flow. I'm not sure if my lighting will suffice. I have 4x 4ft 54W T5's above them. 2x 10thouK and 2x actinic. I am about to add quite a bit more rock to that side of the tank - and the frags will go on top of the new rock (curing now). This will bring them much closer to the light. I've been looking into trying to fit a MH in my hood, but the T5 retrofits just take up all the room in the hood.
 
teen

teen

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its more likely that they browned from shipping stress, or they just didnt take to your tank well.
 
tx reef

tx reef

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None of them are naturally brown.
My tank has a 250 watt Reeflux 10k bulb and all or those were at least slightly more than halfway up. In other words, they were fairly high up in the tank under very intense lighting.
I would move them up quite a bit. They are probably stressing from the reduction in lighting intensity.
As I said before, we can work something out for anything that you lose. I am going to be fragging everything again this weekend and will more than I can handle. I will also have several frags that I did not have before.......
Out of curiousity, what are your water parameters?
 
teen

teen

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imo, its most likely water quality related. it could be lighting, but that usually takes a bit longer for them to brown out.
 
hefner413

hefner413

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Ammonia - 0
Nitrates,ites - 0
pH - 8.2
SG - 1.025
Ca++ - 440
Phosphates - 0.5
KH - 12
So phosphates are up a tad, and KH is high normal - but rest is all good. Do you think phates & KH would mess these up?
And TX - I must say, you have been awesome. Again, I appreciate everything.
Anyway, let me know what you think.
 
hefner413

hefner413

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I had not been using RO/DI water until about a month ago - thus my levels are getting there slowly - but are almost there. I've been doing frequent changes with RO/DI and have been feeding every other day (instead of daily) now for about 2 months. I think my phos and dKH will be normal soon. I know that my home water was pretty hard - thus the dKH and my phos levels are stubbornly sticking at 0.5. I'm doing what I can to get them 0.
 
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sudc

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It's almost definitely a stress response from the corals. Despite thinking he's been great hefner, tx reef NEVER should have fraggged and shipped these to you so soon.
This is exactly why you dont buy sps, put them in a new tank, almost immediately frag them and then ship them out to a 3rd tank in less than a month. SPS are not shrooms or zoos, they dont react well to that kind of stress and change.
I(and a few others) said how stressful and bad this was for sps when you were selling these frags from brand new corals you got. The response was basically "i know what i'm doing, butt out". The result, like i and others predicted, is browned out and some completely dead ANIMALS that were very alive and very nice.
 
wangotango

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Originally Posted by SUDC
It's almost definitely a stress response from the corals. Despite thinking he's been great hefner, tx reef NEVER should have fraggged and shipped these to you so soon.
This is exactly why you dont buy sps, put them in a new tank, almost immediately frag them and then ship them out to a 3rd tank in less than a month. SPS are not shrooms or zoos, they dont react well to that kind of stress and change.
I(and a few others) said how stressful and bad this was for sps when you were selling these frags from brand new corals you got. The response was basically "i know what i'm doing, butt out". The result, like i and others predicted, is browned out and some completely dead ANIMALS that were very alive and very nice.
are you implying that TX doesnt know what he's doing? i got a similar package from him last month and every piece that i got is doing fine and have grown since then. if the problem goes back to him, which im sure it doesnt, his colonies would look just like the frags do and im sure he wouldnt have bothered fragging them in the first place. if this bleaching wasnt caused by improper lighting or water quality maybe it was from the shipping. were they left in heat or cold for a period of time? some of them are already done for, but im sure that if we find out what's happening we can save the rest.
-Justin
 
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sudc

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Not true at all. The mother colony stayed in the same tank. It wasn't a small piece that then got SHIPPED and put in a THIRD tank in less than 1 month. The mother colony had much less stress and much less chance of browning or rtn'ing than the frags.
Are you saying that it is fine or acceptable to switch sps from one established tank to a new tank, within a week frag it, and then before the frag has even remotely encrusted, SHIP it yet another tank??? I want to hear you say "yes, that is fine for sps".
Anyone with ANY SPS experience knows that there is a very good chance they will brown or rtn from that amount of stress.
 
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