ID some SPS for me? Thanks

[wangotango]

if these corals are browning from too much stress inflicted by TX's attitude, and quickness at fragging them, then why havent any of mine bleached, browned out or died? im sure that there are other people here that have bought frags from him and i have yet to hear of a similar situation. i 100% agree with you that sps take a while to become established and are easily stressed, and maybe TX could have slowed down, but the mother colony would be showing signs of this stress, from being placed into a new tank and fragged immediatly. im sure that TX would realize if something was wrong and stop fragging, but obviously something is working if he was able to frag these colonies several times already. we still dont know how these corals were acclimated to their new tank and lighting yet.
-Justin

 

[sudc]

I agree, certainly it wasn't a guaranteed death sentence what he did as evidenced by your shipment. However, and i said this when he was selling them, it does put ALOT of stress on them and for no reason. It isn't smart to frag a sps that quick after getting it and an experienced sps person would only do that to stop rtn'ing, not to make back his purchase money.
I said it then and repeat it now, what he did was wrong and unnecessary and there was a good chance this would happen to some buyers and it did. He should have waited at least a few weeks before fragging and another few weeks before shipping, NO QUESTION.

 

[teen]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
but the mother colony would be showing signs of this stress, from being placed into a new tank and fragged immediatly.
-Justin
no it wouldnt. i can frag a branch off one side of a coral, and the other side of the coral wouldnt even realize it was fragged.

 

[sudc]

Originally Posted by teen
no it wouldnt. i can frag a branch off one side of a coral, and the other side of the coral wouldnt even realize it was fragged.
Exactly! Not to mention, the mother colony didn't also then get shipped again and then go into another new tank. The mother colonies could be perfect while every frag completely rtn's from the extra stress. 3 tanks in a month is alot of potential stress on LPS, for sps, it just isn't smart.
No offense intended, but clearly hefner knew very little about sps and these was probably his first ones based on his posts in this thread. I wonder if he was made aware the history of these corals and the stress they were being put thru before he purchased them.

 

[tx reef]

You're so pathetic.......
I fragged the corals because I HAD to. They would not fit in my tank (I thought they would). I ended up giving away 3 sets of frag packs. The ones I sold, I sold for $8 per frag. The reactor comment was a joke (I make plenty of money and can buy what ever I want without selling corals). Anyone who knows me on this board would know that.
There is one fish store that has 2 of my frag packs (everything still alive) and 2 other members on this board that I hope will chime in. Hefner413 is the only one who had any problems. Since I am a stand up guy and want everyone who recieves something from me to be happy, I will replace everything that doesn't make it (as I told Hefner413 in a PM and in this thread).
You obviously can't stand that I know what I am doing. All of my colonies are fine and growing.
You can try to make me out to be someone who is out to make a buck, but you won't get very far. I have traded and sold to 15 or so people on this board and never had any complaints (hopefully they will cime in, too).
Grow up and quit being a baby.........
Oh, and I will be having another contest in a couple of weeks (same frags will be the prize along with some new ones including a Cali Tort).
I have decided that giving away frags is the best way to help up and coming "reefers".
Equipment is expensive enough...then you factor in sps and you are talking serious money....
Anyway, Hefner413, PM me if you need anything, and SUDC...get a life.

 

[sudc]

You had too frag them immediately, someone had a gun to your head???? Weird how badly you misjudged your OWN 55 gallon tank that you had to sell what about 100 frags immediately?!?!!?! You should get to know your tank a little better

Make whatever excuses you want but you are wrong and know it. By your OWN words, you bought those colonies in person locally. I know for a fact that you knew all of those colonies wouldn't fit in your tank. However, i'm sure you got a great deal and figured you could get ALL your money back selling frags cheap and still look good while keeping the mother colonies. I'll bet you paid around $700 for all of them and made more than that turning around the frags that week

You had those acros for sale on at least THREE different sites before you even unpacked them or put them in your tank. YOU ONLY BOUGHT THEM BECAUSE YOU KNEW YOU COULD FRAG THEM AND MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK ON THEM AND KEEP THE MOTHER COLONIES. Pretty good deal for you, huh???
To say "you know what you are doing" regarding sps is pretty funny. I want even one person who knows anything about sps to say that it is a good idea to frag sps the day you get them and then ship them to a third tank a few days later before they have even remotely encrusted because they "wont fit in your tank". That is laughable! Unless you are trying to make $, you only frag new sps to stop rtn.
I'm sure the mods you trade frags with will delete this like your selling thread that me and a few others with ACTUAL sps knowledge shredded you over this same subject.

 

[hefner413]

I don't blame or question TX one bit. Since learning about browning, I've read a bit about people receiving SPS that had browned during shipping. I think this was the case with a couple of them, and the other two (no# 2 and 3) that browned after I got them was because I did not have them close enough to the light. I have added 70lbs of rock to the tank, raising the frags up much closer to the light. I think the problem was on my end.
I never intended to complain about the browning - I was asking for ID of the frags and you all pointed out that some had browned. My concern now is that I do what I can to ensure that I can prevent any other specimen from doing the same - thus I'm keeping them much closer to the light. I never thought TX did wrong - and to verify - he had already PM'ed me earlier and offered replacement, like he said.
I think we all could try to be a little more like TX - you won't find many people giving away frags for free just to help out others. I'm already planning to do the same and help out some fellow reefers as he's helped me, once I finally am to the point of fragging...
Thanks again TX.

 

[hefner413]

SUDC, I doubt he made anything at all - he just asked me to cover the shipping to get them here...

 

[sudc]

Its easy to give away frags when you still have a mother colony and have already made back what you spent.
At least he is doing the right thing and replacing them. Hopefully, these frags are more established and i would bet that with the EXACT same acclimation by you, they will be fine.
Think what you want hefner but any experienced sps'er will agree that you shouldn't buy, frag and reship so soon(within a week).
I want to hear Murph or some other big sps guy say that what Txreef did with these frags is a good practice. That it doesnt put INSANE stress on sps, greatly increasing the chance of rtn or browning when you do what he did.
Let me hear Murph say that and i'll admit i am wrong and tx is a great guy.

 

[hefner413]

Actually, murph already knows about it all.. here's the quote from the original thread where TX gave me the SPS...
Originally Posted by murph145
congrats hefner!
and ur awesome TX that was an awesome contest to watch and i think u did an awesome job at doing this! maybe ill do this one of these days i should frag one of these days myself

 

[tx reef]

Oh, and by the way, the frags that Hefner413 recieved were cut when I got the colonies. They were in my tank almost a month........
I gave away most of the stuff because I couldn't get it sold quick enough. Everything anyone recieved from me is healthy and growing with the exception of Hefner413.
The thread was deleted because I asked the mods to delete it.
Like I said, get a life. Whatever you are trying to accomplish is not going to work.

 

[rubberduck]

okay point being said, you bought so you could frag and get the returned investment. At least be honest and mention that, that is what many people do and its fine, thing is that you went way to fast which meant your playing with fire so to speak. i have been keeping sps for years and the time you want to frag it is when it is growing so that it leaps in growth on the rock its mounted. but you fraged stressed corals to send out, i think that even if it was risky, thats not the bigged mistake ever, (I havve made so many worse lol) just a move that i think is okay if you send replacements any s in the tank. so be honest about your ententions and i will be satisfied.

 

[tx reef]

I didn't sell them to cash in. I only got back half of what I paid. The frags Hefner413 got and most others got were free.........

 

[wangotango]

Originally Posted by teen
no it wouldnt. i can frag a branch off one side of a coral, and the other side of the coral wouldnt even realize it was fragged.
i wasnt saying that fragging the colony would be causing it too much stress. SUDC is making it sound like TX went out any bought a whole bunch of coral and threw them into a barely cycled tank, and is tossing them from tank to tank not know what the heck he's doing, popping branches off and throwing them into bags to make money, which just sounds rediculous. i was implying that throwing everything into a new tank would cause the colony stress.
how bout we stop biting everyone's head off for something that probably happend on route.
-Justin

 

[sudc]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
i wasnt saying that fragging the colony would be causing it too much stress. SUDC is making it sound like TX went out any bought a whole bunch of coral and threw them into a barely cycled tank, and is tossing them from tank to tank not know what the heck he's doing, popping branches off and throwing them into bags to make money, which just sounds rediculous. i was implying that throwing everything into a new tank would cause the colony stress.
how bout we stop biting everyone's head off for something that probably happend on route.
-Justin
Actually, thats exactly what txreef did. Check his tank build thread and see how long his tank was cycled before he filled it to the rim with these frags to sell. To say he wasn't planning on selling them when he bought them is ridiculous. He literally sold like 80-100 frags. Do you really believe he misjudged his own tanks capacity so bad that he had to get rid of 100 frags IMMEDIATELY. Those frags were for sale on AT LEAST 3 sites before he even put them in his tank and tried to see if they fit.
What rubberduck said is exactly right. At least someone sees what happened here and isn't blinded by free/discounted frags. People forget that these are LIVE animals and SOME care for them is in order. Everyone is so blinded by the money being spent on corals now they sometimes forget that.
Whatever, if everyone is happy with him, great. He is clearly all knowing with regards to sps so this will be my last post here.
p.s- not a bad deal for ya huh TXreef. Even by your statement, you kept all the mother colonies and immediately recouped at least half your purchase price. A few more transactions and you'll have that calc reactor

 

[rubberduck]

Originally Posted by TX Reef
I didn't sell them to cash in. I only got back half of what I paid. The frags Hefner413 got and most others got were free.........
ahh well you were kind to give those away. thanks for the kindness man.

 

[mushroomss]

I AGREE WITH TX-REEF GET A LIFE!!!
YOUR BAGGIN ON A GUY WHO GIVES AWAY FREE CORALS????YOUR A JOKE.AND TX KEEP DOIN WHAT YOUR DOIN!

 

[sudc]

Awesome, free($50 shipping) rtn'd and browned out corals ! What a deal!
He only gave away the ones he couldn't sell on the MULTIPLE sites he tried to. He was railed on another site and the sale was pulled after a ton of people said the same thing i am. He was also warned against this by multiple people here but the thread was deleted.
Like i said, easy to give away the ones you can't sell after you've made all your money back

 

[mushroomss]

who cares if he made his money back?
ever heard of dr fosters and smith or this website even rofl.You think they dont make money off the corals they sell?and you think EVERY peice of coral they sell is super healthy??sorry to tell you its just not true.

 

[mushroomss]

DO YOU KNOW ANYHTING ABOUT Sps?It is comon for them to brown out when introduced into a new tank.The color comes back in a few months.Do some more reading