If not Obama, then WHO?

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483806
So, legalize drugs. Read some of the Arizona papers websites. Over half the violent and drug felons in Arizona are illegals. And the cartel soldiers often return to Mexico after smuggling, kidnapping and murdering. So the answer you have is legalize drugs and that there is no problem. OK, your incredibly ignorant(in the literal not the pejorative) and dumbfounding statements make total sense now.
I'm sure Arizona newspapers are like Fox News, printing garbage with no actual facts or proof. You make it soud like these drug cartels have anopen-door policy with the US. "Come on in! Shoot up a bunch of our people, set yourself up a nice brothel an illegal drug store, and come and go anytime you want!" Talk about ignorant.
Illegal drugs is a multi-billion dollar industry. Just think of the taxes that could be collected to reduce that deficit you hate so much. They just picked up 5 tons of marijuana off the California coast. You think someone was going to just stick that in some warehouse and forget about it? It's called supply and demand. Let anyone who wants it have the ability to purchase it legally but a controlled grower, the demand for Mexican drugs will go away. If they have no one to supply the drugs to, they can't make a profit, and find some other venue to peddle their wares.

 

[mantisman51]

Again, I gave one shot at explaining and instead more illiterate and incomprehensible gibberish. I don't know what you just posted, but you have backed yourself into such a deep and, frankly, stupid hole I know any shred of last little bit of credibility you may have had left is gone. All Arizonans(including the BP, ICE and police) are rabid KKKers and want to attack and abuse Hispanics and have an unwarranted vendetta against a race of people simply for the color of their skin. 6 million people, and almost all are neo-Nazi's. Just Obama and Holder prevent the wholesale slaughter and genocide of Hispanics. What a strange and twisted world some people live in. Have a nice life.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483820
Again, I gave one shot at explaining and instead more illiterate and incomprehensible gibberish. I don't know what you just posted, but you have backed yourself into such a deep and, frankly, stupid hole I know any shred of last little bit of credibility you may have had left is gone. All Arizonans(including the BP, ICE and police) are rabid KKKers and want to attack and abuse Hispanics and have an unwarranted vendetta against a race of people simply for the color of their skin. 6 million people, and almost all are neo-Nazi's. Just Obama and Holder prevent the wholesale slaughter and genocide of Hispanics. What a strange and twisted world some people live in. Have a nice life.
Glad reality has set in. I recall how Arizona refused to acknowledge MLK Day as a Federal holiday. It took the NFL to threaten to take away the Super Bowl before they decided to comply. Arizonians are their own breed.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483786
And you call me a bigot and racist. You seem stuck on this stereotyping that anyone who can't speak English needs to have a green card or some form of ID. Dude, you must live in some redneck bubble. Come to San Antonio and just hang around many of the neighborhoods on the West and South side. The majority of people you run iinto are speaking fluent Spanish. So am I to presume if I encounter someone speaking another language, for whatever reason, I expect them to have a green card or some ID to prove their legal residents of this country? Hate to burst your bubble, but more and more Mexican nationals are learning English as a second language. I encounter them more and more when I travel down there. They speak to me in English at the hotels, airports, restaurants, and businesses. If knowing English is all it takes to keep the arizona cops from suspecting them being illegal, they'll learn that real quick.
You must have seriously flunked language comprehension in school. Let's try this again. The vast majority of people who have the legal right to be in this country UNDERSTAND English. In nearly all cases it is required to become a naturalized citizen AND I just checked. In the state of Texas you must complete 4 credits of English to graduate so your Spanish only speaking American citizen claim doesn't hold water. There are members of a few indian tribes who speak their native tongue. The only way for anyone else who was born here not to speak English would have been their parents ignored truancy laws and never sent them to school.
So a person who doesn't speak English, as in does not understand the language, is extremely unlikely to be a citizen. Migrants are required under Federal law to possess their green card at all times. This is so simple even a cave man can get it. Someone not understanding the English language with no ID raises a strong suspicion they are illegal. It has nothing to do with their race so it is completely acceptable for law enforcement to make further inquiries about their residency.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483789
You reek of racism and bigotry. You despise the Mexican's just because they are trying to free themselves of repression. Your stereotypical views have no substance. You have no concept how the other half lives. You have this dillusional mentality that every single individual that lives in this country has their own transportation, a bank full of cash, and easy access to obtaining an ID. My 85 year old mother no longer requires an ID. She doesn't drive, she doesn't have a bank account. She's happily living in a retirement home, and when November comes around, she wants to vote. So I'm suppose to drag her down to a DPS office and make her go through all the headaches of tracking down her birth certificate just so she can get her ID to exercise her right to vote? I have an aunt that's lived on her farm all her life. The closest DPS office to her home is an 1 1/2 away. She also has no need to drive. The people she deals with for her finances are either relatives that work at the institutions, or people she grew up with. Believe it or not, there's actually still people who live in a world of trust, and don't go by some pre-defined structure to verify someone is who they are. Her word is her ID. What a concept.
Your mother's right to vote is no more important than my right to buy a gun. A right is a right yet you have no issue requiring me to show an ID and even have a background check before I can exercise my right.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483819
I'm sure Arizona newspapers are like Fox News, printing garbage with no actual facts or proof. You make it soud like these drug cartels have anopen-door policy with the US. "Come on in! Shoot up a bunch of our people, set yourself up a nice brothel an illegal drug store, and come and go anytime you want!" Talk about ignorant.
Illegal drugs is a multi-billion dollar industry. Just think of the taxes that could be collected to reduce that deficit you hate so much. They just picked up 5 tons of marijuana off the California coast. You think someone was going to just stick that in some warehouse and forget about it? It's called supply and demand. Let anyone who wants it have the ability to purchase it legally but a controlled grower, the demand for Mexican drugs will go away. If they have no one to supply the drugs to, they can't make a profit, and find some other venue to peddle their wares.
Why don't you show proof that Fox makes up things they report? No media matters splice and dice edits, just a simple case of a report that was false.
Have you not seen the signs in the Arizona desert THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLACED warning people that it is not safe to be in those areas because of the criminals coming in from Mexico? There is even an area of a Federal park there closed because of the danger.

 

[mantisman51]

Organ Pipe National Monument. And we are strongly discouraged from simply driving on Coronado Monument Road here in Cochise County because the smugglers often fire on BP and civilians from the Mexico side so as to provide cover for their mules. More of that work Americans won't do, I suppose.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483863
Your mother's right to vote is no more important than my right to buy a gun. A right is a right yet you have no issue requiring me to show an ID and even have a background check before I can exercise my right.
Pushing a button in a voting booth is a little different than allowing someone to purchase a weapon with the capability of killing another human being.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483889
Organ Pipe National Monument. And we are strongly discouraged from simply driving on Coronado Monument Road here in Cochise County because the smugglers often fire on BP and civilians from the Mexico side so as to provide cover for their mules. More of that work Americans won't do, I suppose.
Tell Brewer to hire more vigilantes to patrol those areas. I'm sure there's thousands of "border agents" living in that state that would love a chance at taking out their aggression on these individuals.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483930
Pushing a button in a voting booth is a little different than allowing someone to purchase a weapon with the capability of killing another human being.
Purchasing a weapon that can kill another human being before they can kill me is a right contained in the constitution. How is that any different than the right to free speech, religion or voting? As a voter I also have the right to know my vote wont be canceled out by someone casting an illegal vote. It is no more unreasonable to make me show that I have the right to buy a firearm than it is to make your mama show she has the right to vote.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483931
Tell Brewer to hire more vigilantes to patrol those areas. I'm sure there's thousands of "border agents" living in that state that would love a chance at taking out their aggression on these individuals.
While not vigilantes the Minute men did have an effect on smuggling patterns. I think Brewer should call on citizens to help patrol the border, at least once 0bama is gone and the border patrol will actually arrest illegals again.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483949
While not vigilantes the Minute men did have an effect on smuggling patterns. I think Brewer should call on citizens to help patrol the border, at least once 0bama is gone and the border patrol will actually arrest illegals again.
The Obama Admninistration has recently shut down 10 or 11 US Customs offices that are located more than 100 miles from the Mexico border, and moving those 40 - 50 individuals down to facilities that are located right by the border. People in places like Amarillo are whining about it because they have to move from their cushy jobs where they may see a few illegals every couple of months, to a place where they actually have to do their jobs.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483948
Purchasing a weapon that can kill another human being before they can kill me is a right contained in the constitution. How is that any different than the right to free speech, religion or voting? As a voter I also have the right to know my vote wont be canceled out by someone casting an illegal vote. It is no more unreasonable to make me show that I have the right to buy a firearm than it is to make your mama show she has the right to vote.
I have no problems with you purchasing a gun. What's the urgency of being able to walk into some gun shop, and walk out with that deadly weapon 30 minutes later? Why shouldn't there be a 3 - 5 day waiting period to perform background checks on someone wanting to buy a gun? What are you hiding? If you're a "responsible gun owner", you should have no qualms about being checked out to insure you are who you say you are.

 

[dragonzim]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483802
Look at the recent statistics. Mexicans crossing into the US are at an all-time low. They're not coming over here in droves, because there's no incentive for them to come over here. In some areas, there's more going back than there are coming across. Where are the statistics that show illegals are the reason for the violence and crime? If they're undocumented, how do you prove it's an illegal committing the offense? Show the crime statistics proving your theories. The Texas/Mexico border is twice as long as that or Arizona's. The crime statistics at all border towns are no higher than they were decaeds ago. Laredo is across the river from one of the most violent Mexican border towns in the nation, yet they don't complain about crime and violence half as much as people in Arizona.
Want to deal with the drug cartels? Legalize the drugs. If it's not profitable, they have no incentive of trying to bring the drugs across the border. Someone wants to screw their life up on Coke, meth,, or marijuana (which probably wouldn't happen with that drug), that's their business, not mine.
This is in my area, way out here in NY... 24 illegals arrested, many of the criminals who were supposed to be deported but never were, including a sex offender.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/immigration-sweep-nets-24-on-long-island-1.3638868

 

[mantisman51]

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483966
This is in my area, way out here in NY... 24 illegals arrested, many of the criminals who were supposed to be deported but never were, including a sex offender.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/immigration-sweep-nets-24-on-long-island-1.3638868
In King Bigot's world they are all like little innocent children and pose no threat and that immigration sweep(which is no less than what Arizona does) is racist. The fact that Maricopa County Sheriff's caught 4 convicted child rapists in January is just more racism. They shouldn't have been caught because illegals should never be identified.

 

[dragonzim]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483968
In King Bigot's world they are all like little innocent children and pose no threat and that immigration sweep(which is no less than what Arizona does) is racist. The fact that Maricopa County Sheriff's caught 4 convicted child rapists in January is just more racism. They shouldn't have been caught because illegals should never be identified.
believe it or not, Long Island has a pretty massive illegal immigration problem and the local authorities dont do a damn thing about it here either. We actually had a local hospital shut down their maternity unit because it was where all the illegal women were going to deliver their anchor babies and leave the tab on the taxpayers. The hospital couldnt afford to provide the care anymore and since they legally can't turn them away, they shut down the unit instead.

 

[mantisman51]

That's too bad. But the same thing has happened here in several places.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483861
You must have seriously flunked language comprehension in school. Let's try this again. The vast majority of people who have the legal right to be in this country UNDERSTAND English. In nearly all cases it is required to become a naturalized citizen AND I just checked. In the state of Texas you must complete 4 credits of English to graduate so your Spanish only speaking American citizen claim doesn't hold water. There are members of a few indian tribes who speak their native tongue. The only way for anyone else who was born here not to speak English would have been their parents ignored truancy laws and never sent them to school.
So a person who doesn't speak English, as in does not understand the language, is extremely unlikely to be a citizen. Migrants are required under Federal law to possess their green card at all times. This is so simple even a cave man can get it. Someone not understanding the English language with no ID raises a strong suspicion they are illegal. It has nothing to do with their race so it is completely acceptable for law enforcement to make further inquiries about their residency.
It's called ESL-level classes. They don't have to be fluent in English to get the credits required to graduate. So if I have a legal Hispanic in my car, and when questioned by Mr. Arizona I'm Looking For Any Illegals I Can Find Police Officer, he decides to answer in Spnaish, does that mean he's an automatic suspect just because he chooses to use his native language to respond? Only in Arizona. Home of the We Don't Want No Stinkin' Illegals Messkins Here State. Your circular logic is failing miserably.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/60#post_3483968
In King Bigot's world they are all like little innocent children and pose no threat and that immigration sweep(which is no less than what Arizona does) is racist. The fact that Maricopa County Sheriff's caught 4 convicted child rapists in January is just more racism. They shouldn't have been caught because illegals should never be identified.
Go rent the movie Machete. You fit Don Johnson's charater to a tee.