If not Obama, then WHO?

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483623
As much as Bionic Travels, you would think he would know it is a requirement in all countries for you to have your passport on you at all times.
You people apparently don't know how to read. Where did I say the Hispanics and German in my car were illegals, or someone just visiting the country? These are legal US citizens just going for a ride. I have Hispnaic friends whose family members don't speak English. they refuse to learn. They were born here, and their family never emphasized English. Hate to break it to you, but there are parts of San Antonio called "Little Mexico" where the majority of the people living in that area speak predominantly Spanish. We also have several German communities surrounding San Antonio where people speak fluent German. If that's what they want to speak it's none of my business. But based on your responses, you think anyone who doesn't speak English, should carry some form of ID on them if they are traveling in Arizona.

 

[darthtang aw]

You people apparently don't know how to read.  Where did I say the Hispanics and German in my car were illegals, or someone just visiting the country?  These are legal US citizens just going for a ride.  I have Hispnaic friends whose family members don't speak English.  they refuse to learn.  They were born here, and their family never emphasized English.  Hate to break it to you, but there are parts of San Antonio called "Little Mexico" where the majority of the people living in that area speak predominantly Spanish.  We also have several German communities surrounding San Antonio where people speak fluent German.  If that's what they want to speak it's none of my business.  But based on your responses, you think anyone who doesn't speak English, should carry some form of ID on them if they are traveling in Arizona.
Or give a viable name and date iof birth. I have been in a car that got pulled over without my ID. I was asked identification. I gave my name and date of birth, as well as address. The officer looked me up...I was free to go. Wow...must have been racism...The officer was after all of spanish decent.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483643
You people apparently don't know how to read. Where did I say the Hispanics and German in my car were illegals, or someone just visiting the country? These are legal US citizens just going for a ride. I have Hispnaic friends whose family members don't speak English. they refuse to learn. They were born here, and their family never emphasized English. Hate to break it to you, but there are parts of San Antonio called "Little Mexico" where the majority of the people living in that area speak predominantly Spanish. We also have several German communities surrounding San Antonio where people speak fluent German. If that's what they want to speak it's none of my business. But based on your responses, you think anyone who doesn't speak English, should carry some form of ID on them if they are traveling in Arizona.
So none of these people ever went to school? You can't graduate in most states without passing English.
No English and no ID is called probable cause. Simply asking people who look a certain way would be racial profiling.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483650
Or give a viable name and date iof birth. I have been in a car that got pulled over without my ID. I was asked identification. I gave my name and date of birth, as well as address. The officer looked me up...I was free to go. Wow...must have been racism...The officer was after all of spanish decent.
Like I said, does the computer systems that Arizona cops use have a national database of every person and where they live? What if they moved since the database was updated? We're seeing this ID issue crop up nationawide about Voter ID. There's millions of legal US citizens that don't own an ID. So now they have to get one to prove their "legal" in the eye of Arizona authorities? Will Arizona cops sk every person in this situation for an ID? Maybe, maybe not. But with this law in place , they have a legal right to do so. As of right now, authorities in the 49 other states of this country can't.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483654
So none of these people ever went to school? You can't graduate in most states without passing English.
No English and no ID is called probable cause. Simply asking people who look a certain way would be racial profiling.
They're natural born US citizens. As of right now, how to speak English isn't a requirement to live in this country. Why should "No English" be subjected to probable cause? I guarantee you unequivocally that if I were in a car that was pulled over in Arizona, and the cop asked me for my ID, and I said "Sorry officer, I left it at home". And the only people in that car were White, he'd say, "you should keep your ID with you at all times sir.", and that would be it. He MAY ask me for an address, but unless he has access to my information that's located in TEXAS, asking me that question would be useless. Show me the law in ANY other state that says I have to carry an ID with me at all times. You can't. Why? Because it violates my First Amendment rights as a LEGAL citizen of this country.

 

[bang guy]

When you are pulled over for speeding should you be required to show ID? The law was a secondary enforecement. They still could not ask you for ID for no reason. You had to first have violated a law and then they asked for ID.

 

[darthtang aw]

Like I said, does the computer systems that Arizona cops use have a national database of every person and where they live?  What if they moved since the database was updated?  We're seeing this ID issue crop up nationawide about Voter ID.  There's millions of legal US citizens that don't own an ID.  So now they have to get one to prove their "legal"  in the eye of Arizona authorities?  Will Arizona cops sk every person in this situation for an ID?  Maybe, maybe not.  But with this law in place , they have a legal right to do so.  As of right now, authorities in the 49 other states of this country can't.
if they moved...they should be able to rattle off their former address when questioned why their address is wrong......do you even live in the real world or a bubble containing idiots....cops aren't idiots...they are actually pretty understanding...maybe you should interact with some instead of basing your opinion off ghe movie colors.....

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483692
They're natural born US citizens. As of right now, how to speak English isn't a requirement to live in this country. Why should "No English" be subjected to probable cause? I guarantee you unequivocally that if I were in a car that was pulled over in Arizona, and the cop asked me for my ID, and I said "Sorry officer, I left it at home". And the only people in that car were White, he'd say, "you should keep your ID with you at all times sir.", and that would be it. He MAY ask me for an address, but unless he has access to my information that's located in TEXAS, asking me that question would be useless. Show me the law in ANY other state that says I have to carry an ID with me at all times. You can't. Why? Because it violates my First Amendment rights as a LEGAL citizen of this country.
Probable cause. Look it up. The overwhelming majority of citizens and honest immigrants in this country understand and speak English. Coming across someone who doesn't speak English is a flag. If that person also doesn't have a green card or any form of ID it raises another flag. Neither having a thing to do with race.

 

[mantisman51]

There's no cartel drug smuggling. There's no mass human smuggling. We're not being flooded with illegal foreign nationals. We don't have prisons filled with illegal aliens. So, I guess there's no need to have an ID law. So seeing how that's all a fantasy by filthy, racist, hate-filled whites and their subservient non-white law enforcement, let's extrapolate: ID laws for flying on airplanes unfairly target Muslims and Arabs,we need to stop requiring photo ID's to travel. Since blacks, Hispanics and elderly are less likely to have ID, we need to stop requiring proof of a drivers license when people are pulled over by police-shouldn't cops take everyone's word for it? What if the driver has recently moved and they can't verify his/her new address? Oh, oh, since blacks, Hispanics and the elderly are less likely to have ID's, we must stop the requirement to produce a picture ID to purchase firearms. It clearly targets minorities and elderly. Anyone else seeing how completely brain-dead this whole argument is? The person who is posting these idiotic ideas is a hate-filled bigot who knows how important illegal aliens are for the democrat machine. No amount of reason will change its mind.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483705
if they moved...they should be able to rattle off their former address when questioned why their address is wrong......do you even live in the real world or a bubble containing idiots....cops aren't idiots...they are actually pretty understanding...maybe you should interact with some instead of basing your opinion off ghe movie colors.....
I know several cops. They are reasonable. But they don't live with the mentality that there's illegals walking around every turn like they do in Arizona. That Arizona sheriff is a bigoted nutcase.
You still haven't answered the question. Do they have some national databse they can reference? I can go on Googl Maps and find any address you want. How is spouting off some address prove your a legal resident of this country?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483720
Probable cause. Look it up. The overwhelming majority of citizens and honest immigrants in this country understand and speak English. Coming across someone who doesn't speak English is a flag. If that person also doesn't have a green card or any form of ID it raises another flag. Neither having a thing to do with race.
And you call me a bigot and racist. You seem stuck on this stereotyping that anyone who can't speak English needs to have a green card or some form of ID. Dude, you must live in some redneck bubble. Come to San Antonio and just hang around many of the neighborhoods on the West and South side. The majority of people you run iinto are speaking fluent Spanish. So am I to presume if I encounter someone speaking another language, for whatever reason, I expect them to have a green card or some ID to prove their legal residents of this country? Hate to burst your bubble, but more and more Mexican nationals are learning English as a second language. I encounter them more and more when I travel down there. They speak to me in English at the hotels, airports, restaurants, and businesses. If knowing English is all it takes to keep the arizona cops from suspecting them being illegal, they'll learn that real quick.

 

[mantisman51]

I sense a disturbance in the force. Must be some more liberal BS being written somewhere. I can't read what was written, but it's easy to guess. ID laws ARE racist because it unfairly affects minorities-stupid lie as I demonstrated with the air travel and gun laws requiring ID. Arizona being flooded with illegals and drugs should do nothing about all the drugs and crime from this flood of illegals. Requiring EVERYONE to have the EXACT SAME ID regardless of race actually singles out Hispanics because all cops of every race are Klansmen and can't wait to single out poor old Jose who's just an average citizen minding his own business while letting all the white and black criminals run amuck. Did I pretty much sum up the liberal bigotry for it...again?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483778
There's no cartel drug smuggling. There's no mass human smuggling. We're not being flooded with illegal foreign nationals. We don't have prisons filled with illegal aliens. So, I guess there's no need to have an ID law. So seeing how that's all a fantasy by filthy, racist, hate-filled whites and their subservient non-white law enforcement, let's extrapolate: ID laws for flying on airplanes unfairly target Muslims and Arabs,we need to stop requiring photo ID's to travel. Since blacks, Hispanics and elderly are less likely to have ID, we need to stop requiring proof of a drivers license when people are pulled over by police-shouldn't cops take everyone's word for it? What if the driver has recently moved and they can't verify his/her new address? Oh, oh, since blacks, Hispanics and the elderly are less likely to have ID's, we must stop the requirement to produce a picture ID to purchase firearms. It clearly targets minorities and elderly. Anyone else seeing how completely brain-dead this whole argument is? The person who is posting these idiotic ideas is a hate-filled bigot who knows how important illegal aliens are for the democrat machine. No amount of reason will change its mind.
You reek of racism and bigotry. You despise the Mexican's just because they are trying to free themselves of repression. Your stereotypical views have no substance. You have no concept how the other half lives. You have this dillusional mentality that every single individual that lives in this country has their own transportation, a bank full of cash, and easy access to obtaining an ID. My 85 year old mother no longer requires an ID. She doesn't drive, she doesn't have a bank account. She's happily living in a retirement home, and when November comes around, she wants to vote. So I'm suppose to drag her down to a DPS office and make her go through all the headaches of tracking down her birth certificate just so she can get her ID to exercise her right to vote? I have an aunt that's lived on her farm all her life. The closest DPS office to her home is an 1 1/2 away. She also has no need to drive. The people she deals with for her finances are either relatives that work at the institutions, or people she grew up with. Believe it or not, there's actually still people who live in a world of trust, and don't go by some pre-defined structure to verify someone is who they are. Her word is her ID. What a concept.

 

[mantisman51]

Oh yeah, true story, I'll have my wife and son-in-law confirm this. I was driving all 5 of us to Chiricauah Monument last Saturday and, even though the monument is 60 miles North of the border, I was pulled over by a Border Patrol for a standard ID verification. Racist Border Patrol, how dare they pull over and verify the ID of us 5 white people. While I was initially miffed, I actually felt pretty good about it. 5 people in a small 1990 Camry was enough probable cause to pull us over-possible human smuggling. If I were Hispanic, I guess I'd react like the liberal bigot and cry that it was discrimination, huh?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483787
I sense a disturbance in the force. Must be some more liberal BS being written somewhere. I can't read what was written, but it's easy to guess. ID laws ARE racist because it unfairly affects minorities-stupid lie as I demonstrated with the air travel and gun laws requiring ID. Arizona being flooded with illegals and drugs should do nothing about all the drugs and crime from this flood of illegals. Requiring EVERYONE to have the EXACT SAME ID regardless of race actually singles out Hispanics because all cops of every race are Klansmen and can't wait to single out poor old Jose who's just an average citizen minding his own business while letting all the white and black criminals run amuck. Did I pretty much sum up the liberal bigotry for it...again?
You described Arizona to a tee. Why don't you make everyone wear some kind of symbol on their clothes to notate they are "legal", then you'd have nothing to worry about. How about tattooing a numbering system on their arm that you can scan anytime you want? No papers, no admittance. All the Arizona cops can march to the same tune, and raise their arms proudly as they walk past Heir Sheriff Arpaio and Gov. Brewer.
When was it a requirement that people had to fly or buy a gun? That's not a right, it's a privilege. Voting is a right. You want every single person who is legal in this country to prove they are citizens, require a national ID. Have border stops at every state. Can't enter Texas without a proper ID. Want to drive from California to Florida? Be prepared to make mutilple stops, and have your documentation ready. That's the warped world you want to live in.

 

[mantisman51]

Look, Bionic, I have no idea what you've been writing, but I want to read your next response. What would you do to stop or greatly reduce the violence and drugs that is pouring over our border? Please take some time before you answer, please. Since we all here in Arizona are racists and hate anyone who's not white, black or subservient brown and can only think of new and interesting ways of victimizing Hispanics, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO LOWER THE CRIME FLOODING OUR STATE FROM MEXICO? Please, no more of what we are doing wrong. You are now the Tzar of Arizona and can use any state or Federal power. What is your solution to this massive crime wave from Mexican cartels in Arizona?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483790
Oh yeah, true story, I'll have my wife and son-in-law confirm this. I was driving all 5 of us to Chiricauah Monument last Saturday and, even though the monument is 60 miles North of the border, I was pulled over by a Border Patrol for a standard ID verification. Racist Border Patrol, how dare they pull over and verify the ID of us 5 white people. While I was initially miffed, I actually felt pretty good about it. 5 people in a small 1990 Camry was enough probable cause to pull us over-possible human smuggling. If I were Hispanic, I guess I'd react like the liberal bigot and cry that it was discrimination, huh?
LOL. Guess they saw some crappy Toyota driving down the road and had reason to be suspicious. The Border Patrol has checkpoints on every major roadway that traverses or leaves a Mexican border town. I have to stop at them every time I leave Del Rio, Eagle Pass, or Laredo. They have the road blocked where you ahve to stop, and they have drug dogs sniffing your car as you idle. When you pull up, they say "How are you? Are you a legal US citizen?" I show NOTHING. I say "yes" and they say "have a nice day". I've made the same trip with a couple of Hispanic co-workers. One tried being a smart guy at the border stop, and when the Border Agent asked the same question, he said, "Si." I just shook my head, and the Agent said "have a nice day." and we left. Do that in Arizona, and you'd probably get dragged out of the car and frisked.

 

[mantisman51]

Well, I read that one. That was no solution. I'll give it one more shot.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/40#post_3483797
Look, Bionic, I have no idea what you've been writing, but I want to read your next response. What would you do to stop or greatly reduce the violence and drugs that is pouring over our border? Please take some time before you answer, please. Since we all here in Arizona are racists and hate anyone who's not white, black or subservient brown and can only think of new and interesting ways of victimizing Hispanics, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO LOWER THE CRIME FLOODING OUR STATE FROM MEXICO? Please, no more of what we are doing wrong. You are now the Tzar of Arizona and can use any state or Federal power. What is your solution to this massive crime wave from Mexican cartels in Arizona?
Look at the recent statistics. Mexicans crossing into the US are at an all-time low. They're not coming over here in droves, because there's no incentive for them to come over here. In some areas, there's more going back than there are coming across. Where are the statistics that show illegals are the reason for the violence and crime? If they're undocumented, how do you prove it's an illegal committing the offense? Show the crime statistics proving your theories. The Texas/Mexico border is twice as long as that or Arizona's. The crime statistics at all border towns are no higher than they were decaeds ago. Laredo is across the river from one of the most violent Mexican border towns in the nation, yet they don't complain about crime and violence half as much as people in Arizona.
Want to deal with the drug cartels? Legalize the drugs. If it's not profitable, they have no incentive of trying to bring the drugs across the border. Someone wants to screw their life up on Coke, meth,, or marijuana (which probably wouldn't happen with that drug), that's their business, not mine.

 

[mantisman51]

So, legalize drugs. Read some of the Arizona papers websites. Over half the violent and drug felons in Arizona are illegals. And the cartel soldiers often return to Mexico after smuggling, kidnapping and murdering. So the answer you have is legalize drugs and that there is no problem. OK, your incredibly ignorant(in the literal not the pejorative) and dumbfounding statements make total sense now.