IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE ONE: HILLARY or OBAMA?
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crashbandicoot
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groupergenius
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Obama, Clinton, or shoot myself in the foot.
Somebody hand me a .45
Somebody hand me a .45
matt b
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wangotango
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2459760
These are just political attacks against Obama which are very untrue. .
Agreed. He was a radical muslim extremist at one time too aparently
.
I honestly think that one of them will get into the white house, not a Republican. As for who? I'd take Barrak over Hilary. I wonder if the loser will join up with the other as a running mate in the general election. President Obama, VP Clinton
... IDK
-Justin
http:///forum/post/2459760
These are just political attacks against Obama which are very untrue. .
Agreed. He was a radical muslim extremist at one time too aparently
I honestly think that one of them will get into the white house, not a Republican. As for who? I'd take Barrak over Hilary. I wonder if the loser will join up with the other as a running mate in the general election. President Obama, VP Clinton
-Justin
aquaknight
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What about this, (this should really spice things up) is it even a good idea for either Obama or Hiliary (obviously more so Barrack) to run for office? Do you guys think America as advanced far enough that the threat of an assassination isn't too much of a threat from some wacko group? Or is government powerful to control them?
wangotango
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2460022
What about this, (this should really spice things up) is it even a good idea for either Obama or Hiliary (obviously more so Barrack) to run for office? Do you guys think America as advanced far enough that the threat of an assassination isn't too much of a threat from some wacko group? Or is government powerful to control them?
Are you saying that Hilary or Barrak would be more likely to be assassinated because one's a woman and one's black?
-Justin
http:///forum/post/2460022
What about this, (this should really spice things up) is it even a good idea for either Obama or Hiliary (obviously more so Barrack) to run for office? Do you guys think America as advanced far enough that the threat of an assassination isn't too much of a threat from some wacko group? Or is government powerful to control them?
Are you saying that Hilary or Barrak would be more likely to be assassinated because one's a woman and one's black?
-Justin
aquaknight
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I'm saying what do you guys think about the potential of an assassination regarding either of them? I doubt Hilary (because she's a female), but there's more then a few people/groups out that don't want Obama (because he's black).
socal57che
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2460202
I'm saying what do you guys think about the potential of an assassination regarding either of them? I doubt Hilary (because she's a female), but there's more then a few people/groups out that don't want Obama (because he's black).
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
http:///forum/post/2460202
I'm saying what do you guys think about the potential of an assassination regarding either of them? I doubt Hilary (because she's a female), but there's more then a few people/groups out that don't want Obama (because he's black).
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
matt b
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2460022
What about this, (this should really spice things up) is it even a good idea for either Obama or Hiliary (obviously more so Barrack) to run for office? Do you guys think America as advanced far enough that the threat of an assassination isn't too much of a threat from some wacko group? Or is government powerful to control them?
that is the WORST reason not to vote for someone i have ever heard.
http:///forum/post/2460022
What about this, (this should really spice things up) is it even a good idea for either Obama or Hiliary (obviously more so Barrack) to run for office? Do you guys think America as advanced far enough that the threat of an assassination isn't too much of a threat from some wacko group? Or is government powerful to control them?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by WangoTango
http:///forum/post/2459994
Agreed. He was a radical muslim extremist at one time too aparently
.
I honestly think that one of them will get into the white house, not a Republican. As for who? I'd take Barrak over Hilary. I wonder if the loser will join up with the other as a running mate in the general election. President Obama, VP Clinton
... IDK
-Justin
You don't have to make stuff up about him, the truth is bad enough.
Most liberal voting record in the US Senate.
As a member of the Illinois legislature he voted against a bill that would have made it a crime for a person to take a minor across state lines to avoid parental notification laws regarding abortions.
He stated he favored banning all handguns as well as all simi automatics on a candidate questionaire.
He crows about opposing the Iraq invasion yet at the time he was not a member or even elected to the US Senate so he had no clue about what Iraq did or didn't have. At least Clinton is welling to say baised on information she had from both her Husbands and the Bush administration she reached the conclusion there were WMD's there.
As for the personal stuff, well I wouldn't have a problem if he was a Muslim. The Christian church he belongs to declares "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" (Capitalization is from their website) They also proclaim "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization." I'd gladly take a American Muslim over that.
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
http:///forum/post/2459994
Agreed. He was a radical muslim extremist at one time too aparently
I honestly think that one of them will get into the white house, not a Republican. As for who? I'd take Barrak over Hilary. I wonder if the loser will join up with the other as a running mate in the general election. President Obama, VP Clinton
-Justin
You don't have to make stuff up about him, the truth is bad enough.
Most liberal voting record in the US Senate.
As a member of the Illinois legislature he voted against a bill that would have made it a crime for a person to take a minor across state lines to avoid parental notification laws regarding abortions.
He stated he favored banning all handguns as well as all simi automatics on a candidate questionaire.
He crows about opposing the Iraq invasion yet at the time he was not a member or even elected to the US Senate so he had no clue about what Iraq did or didn't have. At least Clinton is welling to say baised on information she had from both her Husbands and the Bush administration she reached the conclusion there were WMD's there.
As for the personal stuff, well I wouldn't have a problem if he was a Muslim. The Christian church he belongs to declares "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" (Capitalization is from their website) They also proclaim "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization." I'd gladly take a American Muslim over that.
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2460235
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
That's what I mean. If whites take each other out based on just principles, there definitely would be a price tag on Obama's head. No?
Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2460249
that is the WORST reason not to vote for someone i have ever heard.
Always thinking out of the box
http:///forum/post/2460235
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
That's what I mean. If whites take each other out based on just principles, there definitely would be a price tag on Obama's head. No?
Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2460249
Always thinking out of the box
nyyankeees
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2460202
I'm saying what do you guys think about the potential of an assassination regarding either of them? I doubt Hilary (because she's a female), but there's more then a few people/groups out that don't want Obama (because he's black).
I think it's highly likely for Obama. I said the exact same thing on pg 1.
http:///forum/post/2460202
I'm saying what do you guys think about the potential of an assassination regarding either of them? I doubt Hilary (because she's a female), but there's more then a few people/groups out that don't want Obama (because he's black).
I think it's highly likely for Obama. I said the exact same thing on pg 1.
mfp1016
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2459760
These are just political attacks against Obama which are very untrue. He even leads the pledge in Congress from time to time.
Link??
http:///forum/post/2459760
These are just political attacks against Obama which are very untrue. He even leads the pledge in Congress from time to time.
Link??
cowfishrule
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2460278
As a member of the Illinois legislature he voted against a bill that would have made it a crime for a person to take a minor across state lines to avoid parental notification laws regarding abortions.
before we tarnish his voting record, what else was part of that bill?
http:///forum/post/2460278
As a member of the Illinois legislature he voted against a bill that would have made it a crime for a person to take a minor across state lines to avoid parental notification laws regarding abortions.
before we tarnish his voting record, what else was part of that bill?
reefraff
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My Mistake, it was a federal law he voted against in the senate
S.403
Title: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions.
Sponsor: Sen Ensign, John [NV] (introduced 2/16/2005) Cosponsors (43)
Related Bills: H.RES.1039, H.R.748, S.8, S.396
Latest Major Action: 9/27/2006 Resolving differences -- Senate actions. Status: Cloture motion on the motion to concur in House amendment presented in Senate.
[hr]
SUMMARY AS OF:
9/26/2006--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act - Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit transporting a minor child across a state line to obtain an abortion (deems such transporting to be a de facto abridgment of the right of a parent under any law in the minor’s state of residence that requires parental involvement in the minor’s abortion decision). Makes an exception for an abortion necessary to safe the life of the minor.
Protects from prosecution or civil liability the minor or the minor’s parents for violations of this Act.
Makes it an affirmative defense to a prosecution or civil action under this Act that a defendant: (1) reasonably believed that before the minor obtained the abortion, the required parental consent or notification or judicial authorization took place; or (2) was presented with documentation showing that a court waived parental notification requirements or authorized the minor's abortion.
Authorizes any parent who suffers harm from a violation of this Act to seek relief in a civil action unless such parent committed an act of
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with the minor.
Defines "abortion" as the termination of a pregnancy with an intention other than to increase the probability of a live birth, preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of a spontaneous abortion, accidental trauma, or a criminal assault on the pregnant female or her unborn child.
Defines "parent" to include a guardian, legal custodian, or person standing in loco parentis.
Imposes a fine and/or prison term of up to one year on a physician who performs or induces an abortion on an out-of-state minor in violation of parental notification requirements. Requires such physician to give 24-hour actual or constructive notice to a parent of the minor seeking an abortion. Allows an exception if: (1) the physician complies with parental notification requirements in the physician’s state; (2) the physician is given documentation that a court in the minor’s state of residence has waived parental notification or otherwise authorized the minor’s abortion; (3) the minor provides a written statement that she is the victim of sexual abuse, neglect, or physical abuse by a parent and the physician notifies appropriate state officials of such abuse; (4) the abortion is necessary to save the life of the minor (written notice must be given to the minor's parent within 24 hours after the lifesaving abortion is performed): or (5) a person accompanying the minor provides documentation to the physician that such person is the parent of the minor.
S.403
Title: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions.
Sponsor: Sen Ensign, John [NV] (introduced 2/16/2005) Cosponsors (43)
Related Bills: H.RES.1039, H.R.748, S.8, S.396
Latest Major Action: 9/27/2006 Resolving differences -- Senate actions. Status: Cloture motion on the motion to concur in House amendment presented in Senate.
[hr]
SUMMARY AS OF:
9/26/2006--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act - Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit transporting a minor child across a state line to obtain an abortion (deems such transporting to be a de facto abridgment of the right of a parent under any law in the minor’s state of residence that requires parental involvement in the minor’s abortion decision). Makes an exception for an abortion necessary to safe the life of the minor.
Protects from prosecution or civil liability the minor or the minor’s parents for violations of this Act.
Makes it an affirmative defense to a prosecution or civil action under this Act that a defendant: (1) reasonably believed that before the minor obtained the abortion, the required parental consent or notification or judicial authorization took place; or (2) was presented with documentation showing that a court waived parental notification requirements or authorized the minor's abortion.
Authorizes any parent who suffers harm from a violation of this Act to seek relief in a civil action unless such parent committed an act of
[hr]
with the minor.
Defines "abortion" as the termination of a pregnancy with an intention other than to increase the probability of a live birth, preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of a spontaneous abortion, accidental trauma, or a criminal assault on the pregnant female or her unborn child.
Defines "parent" to include a guardian, legal custodian, or person standing in loco parentis.
Imposes a fine and/or prison term of up to one year on a physician who performs or induces an abortion on an out-of-state minor in violation of parental notification requirements. Requires such physician to give 24-hour actual or constructive notice to a parent of the minor seeking an abortion. Allows an exception if: (1) the physician complies with parental notification requirements in the physician’s state; (2) the physician is given documentation that a court in the minor’s state of residence has waived parental notification or otherwise authorized the minor’s abortion; (3) the minor provides a written statement that she is the victim of sexual abuse, neglect, or physical abuse by a parent and the physician notifies appropriate state officials of such abuse; (4) the abortion is necessary to save the life of the minor (written notice must be given to the minor's parent within 24 hours after the lifesaving abortion is performed): or (5) a person accompanying the minor provides documentation to the physician that such person is the parent of the minor.
cowfishrule
Active Member
no, not this law in general. what was paper clipped to this child interstate nofication act that would have passed if this act was voted for.
thats how stuff gets slipped through congress. when something is passed, whatever is attached to it automatcially passes as well. its called "pork", or "earmarks".
thats how stuff gets slipped through congress. when something is passed, whatever is attached to it automatcially passes as well. its called "pork", or "earmarks".
nyyankeees
Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2460235
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
When did we have a black or woman president? Did i miss something?
http:///forum/post/2460235
Well, nobody has assasinated a black or woman president in our long history of presidents. They have, however, killed a few white males. I can see where one might be a little skittish...if they'll whack a white guy, what chance do I really have that some numbskull with an RPG won't try to take me out??
When did we have a black or woman president? Did i miss something?