mboswell1982
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check your email sharkbait, and im actually enjoying reading this thread, i really hope they dont lock it, as it is quite informative, in its own way
Is My Lfs Cazy Or What?
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aquaknight
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There was some personal attacks/the thread has deviated from it's original intention.
I agree sometimes things are overmoderated, but the staff's perspective, things would be impossible to control. Even if you two are fine with the jabs/etc, unfortunetly that means other people will start to use jabs. That turns into flat out insults, and so on...
I'm not trying to get the thread locked, but just stating what I think, they will think........ I think....
I agree sometimes things are overmoderated, but the staff's perspective, things would be impossible to control. Even if you two are fine with the jabs/etc, unfortunetly that means other people will start to use jabs. That turns into flat out insults, and so on...
I'm not trying to get the thread locked, but just stating what I think, they will think........ I think....
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2868342
There was some personal attacks/the thread has deviated from it's original intention.
I agree sometimes things are overmoderated, but the staff's perspective, things would be impossible to control. Even if you two are fine with the jabs/etc, unfortunetly that means other people will start to use jabs. That turns into flat out insults, and so on...
I'm not trying to get the thread locked, but just stating what I think, they will think........ I think....
No, your right. My intentions were more sarcastic then real jabs. Purely entertainment more then anything. I had my wife read what I wrote and she agreed that people who don’t know me could perceive it as jabs. So i do apologize for that.
Maybe if I put in simpler terms, since I can never get my point across when I have to write them on a message board.
If everyone pulled them selves away from the retail aspect and looked at it in genuine hobby stand point. And thought about them meeting up with local reefers with buckets and bags with coral and trying to push frags at a retail price at swap meet or what ever. Again to me that just seems like we are pushing the hobby in the wrong direction. Im sorry, but I find it more insulting when I meet up with local keepers with bottlebrush acro and bali blue blood slimmer or acans and people go oh is that “X” bottlebrush or “X” Bali slimmer or bla bla bla and give the ill trade you anything you want for a frag, and then I pick out a frag not really caring what it is and then they turn around and say oh yeah I’ll do the trade plus 20 bucks. I mean come on, my frags are not some small chip, most of my acros are 3+ inch’s branching and you want me to pay 20 for three polyps of some zoa? Then I get some who say “ I could get a lot more then trading a frag for those. True, maybe. Not my intentions, looking to get something I don’t have, maybe give someone something they don’t have. I would rather come back from a swap with a box full of frags I don’t have, then go home with frags I need to get rid of.
I never said or meant to come off that a retail store can’t charge what they want, someone said it, its call free enterprise and they are right. So of course, I don’t expect a LFS to be charging pennies on the dollar for coral, cause I would be all over that store buying stuff up. We all would.
I can’t even be part of a club anymore cause I just want to vomit when they start throwing names around like its high school. In all honesty, unless every coral I get comes with a piece of toilet paper certifying it can be traced back to some guy it really means nothing. I won a charity auction for some PPE’s from a certain high profile person and it came with a little story and that they can be traced back to a guy named blane who found them, that was it, who is blane? Anyway really. My Idaho grape came with a receipt from the farmers. Same with my coral from atlantis, no COA just a receipt. So who’s to say for sure if “X” coral is really “X” coral. But that seems to be a big deal. Did this guy personally collect this coral?. Did he play around with the DNA structure to get this color scheme I wanted? No he put it on a rack under light and watched it and threw his name in front.
Absolutely I was and still am a sucker when it comes to coral cause I see the color and species and say yup I want that coral. Then I look an notice its got some guys name on it.
http:///forum/post/2868342
There was some personal attacks/the thread has deviated from it's original intention.
I agree sometimes things are overmoderated, but the staff's perspective, things would be impossible to control. Even if you two are fine with the jabs/etc, unfortunetly that means other people will start to use jabs. That turns into flat out insults, and so on...
I'm not trying to get the thread locked, but just stating what I think, they will think........ I think....
No, your right. My intentions were more sarcastic then real jabs. Purely entertainment more then anything. I had my wife read what I wrote and she agreed that people who don’t know me could perceive it as jabs. So i do apologize for that.
Maybe if I put in simpler terms, since I can never get my point across when I have to write them on a message board.
If everyone pulled them selves away from the retail aspect and looked at it in genuine hobby stand point. And thought about them meeting up with local reefers with buckets and bags with coral and trying to push frags at a retail price at swap meet or what ever. Again to me that just seems like we are pushing the hobby in the wrong direction. Im sorry, but I find it more insulting when I meet up with local keepers with bottlebrush acro and bali blue blood slimmer or acans and people go oh is that “X” bottlebrush or “X” Bali slimmer or bla bla bla and give the ill trade you anything you want for a frag, and then I pick out a frag not really caring what it is and then they turn around and say oh yeah I’ll do the trade plus 20 bucks. I mean come on, my frags are not some small chip, most of my acros are 3+ inch’s branching and you want me to pay 20 for three polyps of some zoa? Then I get some who say “ I could get a lot more then trading a frag for those. True, maybe. Not my intentions, looking to get something I don’t have, maybe give someone something they don’t have. I would rather come back from a swap with a box full of frags I don’t have, then go home with frags I need to get rid of.
I never said or meant to come off that a retail store can’t charge what they want, someone said it, its call free enterprise and they are right. So of course, I don’t expect a LFS to be charging pennies on the dollar for coral, cause I would be all over that store buying stuff up. We all would.
I can’t even be part of a club anymore cause I just want to vomit when they start throwing names around like its high school. In all honesty, unless every coral I get comes with a piece of toilet paper certifying it can be traced back to some guy it really means nothing. I won a charity auction for some PPE’s from a certain high profile person and it came with a little story and that they can be traced back to a guy named blane who found them, that was it, who is blane? Anyway really. My Idaho grape came with a receipt from the farmers. Same with my coral from atlantis, no COA just a receipt. So who’s to say for sure if “X” coral is really “X” coral. But that seems to be a big deal. Did this guy personally collect this coral?. Did he play around with the DNA structure to get this color scheme I wanted? No he put it on a rack under light and watched it and threw his name in front.
Absolutely I was and still am a sucker when it comes to coral cause I see the color and species and say yup I want that coral. Then I look an notice its got some guys name on it.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Ok, i knew i saw this blurb from some web sites i buy from. here is a blurb from just one web site i buy from. Read this and tell me how anyone can buy into this and say that its ok.
This piece originally came in from Anthony YAng from (I edited the name)XXXX. He importerd it from Indonesia. Greg Caroll was one of the others aside from myself who recieved the first frags. I however convinced Anthony to sell me half the colony. Steve Tyree then received a piece from Greg and made it a Limited Edition
So how is this limited edition? If three people own a piece and are selling it, then god almighty steve himself gets a piece and slaps a label of LE and then like a flock of schools for some guy people go ape blank for it So that’s four people selling this coral that’s known, not counting however many people bought it and are selling it. Yet me included, we buy it and (expect for me on this ) go OOOOOOOOOOOOOH I have a piece of LE tyree “X” coral. Oooh it grew ooooooooooooooh, you want a ¼ frag 100 bucks with a smile on your face. Its not limited anymore the minute me, sharkbait9, Mike of NJ has a piece big enough to frag it and sell it and the countless others. See my point.
How does anyone not want to vomit over that.
This piece originally came in from Anthony YAng from (I edited the name)XXXX. He importerd it from Indonesia. Greg Caroll was one of the others aside from myself who recieved the first frags. I however convinced Anthony to sell me half the colony. Steve Tyree then received a piece from Greg and made it a Limited Edition
So how is this limited edition? If three people own a piece and are selling it, then god almighty steve himself gets a piece and slaps a label of LE and then like a flock of schools for some guy people go ape blank for it So that’s four people selling this coral that’s known, not counting however many people bought it and are selling it. Yet me included, we buy it and (expect for me on this ) go OOOOOOOOOOOOOH I have a piece of LE tyree “X” coral. Oooh it grew ooooooooooooooh, you want a ¼ frag 100 bucks with a smile on your face. Its not limited anymore the minute me, sharkbait9, Mike of NJ has a piece big enough to frag it and sell it and the countless others. See my point.
How does anyone not want to vomit over that.
wattsupdoc
Active Member
Defensive
and possibly a little insecure about your theory huh?
Blah blah blah, I dint read all your posts, would take me all night...It really wasn't worth my time either. We understood quite a while back where you were coming from. You shouldn't get sooooo upset over it all. BTW, I would consider wanting to "bash them with a hammer" to be pretty immature and possibly even needing some professional help with such rage. What does it matter anyways what others are doing in the hobby? Who says that selling large frags cheap is the right thing to be doing? Heftier price tags prevent people from buying things they are not prepared to care for. With the mentality of it's just 10 bucks, so what if it dies. POSSIBLY, you are causing more of your frags to meet their demise because of the lower prices....Additionally, people breed dogs for one reason, to make money. It's no different with corals/fish. A person may only breed one litter per year and that makes them Xmas money. Doesn't mean they should sell theirs for less does it? You need to realize that retailers don't set prices, CONSUMERS do. So in reality, you are mad at the people who are willing to pay these prices....Not the guy trying to pass a few off. If a hobbyist can sell his frags at a premium price and people buy it, WOOOHOOO for them. When you sell yours for a lower price with larger frags, you are really just trying to move your product.
sepulatian
Moderator
Please keep this civil or it will be locked.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
Defensive
and possibly a little insecure about your theory huh?
Blah blah blah.
No, not at all. It’s my opinion, hence me being vocal about it.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
I dint read all your posts, would take me all night...It really wasn't worth my time either.
No problem. I would not expect you to read the whole post. I was expecting you to find a snippet of the post that you can argue and base your rebuttal off that.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
We understood quite a while back where you were coming from. You shouldn't get sooooo upset over it all.
True, but then again watching this hobby turn face the way it has while its has grown it has become very mainstream. Being your only a year deep or so in this hobby, I would not expect you to full grasp where I’m coming from.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
BTW, I would consider wanting to "bash them with a hammer" to be pretty immature and possibly even needing some professional help with such rage.
Lol, its called macabre humor or better know as gallows humor. Being that I work per diam on a critical care transport unit also, my humor is at times a little ghoulish.
Anyway it more of a morbid satire to vocalize my distain in the growth of a certain type of hobbyist themselves.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
. What does it matter anyways what others are doing in the hobby? Who says that selling large frags cheap is the right thing to be doing? Heftier price tags prevent people from buying things they are not prepared to care for.
Maybe in the woods where your from. But around here, price is not really an issue. The attitude, of I want it, don’t care, bag it up and let me be on my way.
I could easily stand on a soapbox and badmouth the retailer who doesn’t ask the simple “get to know the persons setup” questions before they sell something, but I don’t. why cause they are a retailer and I may not like or agree with it but they run their business the way they want, its their business.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
With the mentality of it's just 10 bucks, so what if it dies. POSSIBLY, you are causing more of your frags to meet their demise because of the lower prices.
Possibly, but every person on this forum and the others that I hang on, if a single piece leaves my tanks I ask about the set up and how the water quality is. Are they lying? Possibly, who am I to judge.
If I sell something on the bidding site, I have no control no personal connection to. Maybe you look at a certain forum member and label them, I don’t. Maybe I’m a little crazy, but in a sense I feel have a connection to a lot of members here and the other sites, almost like a bond. I have a trust and a bond with my hose team when I enter a fire or scene I know I can count on the boys behind me, its an unspoken bond thru a hose and a nozzle.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
Additionally, people breed dogs for one reason, to make money. It's no different with corals/fish. A person may only breed one litter per year and that makes them Xmas money. Doesn't mean they should sell theirs for less does it?
How in the world does this even equate to frags??? Are they fragging out puppies?
My god man, sit back and read my post to beth, about dogs, and what we paid for our dogs.
And how canine breeders are not even on the same page with coral. Majority of coral is collected off reefs not bred. Sure some scientist might be but not the wholesaler.
http:///forum/post/2868752
Defensive
No, not at all. It’s my opinion, hence me being vocal about it.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
I dint read all your posts, would take me all night...It really wasn't worth my time either.
No problem. I would not expect you to read the whole post. I was expecting you to find a snippet of the post that you can argue and base your rebuttal off that.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
We understood quite a while back where you were coming from. You shouldn't get sooooo upset over it all.
True, but then again watching this hobby turn face the way it has while its has grown it has become very mainstream. Being your only a year deep or so in this hobby, I would not expect you to full grasp where I’m coming from.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
BTW, I would consider wanting to "bash them with a hammer" to be pretty immature and possibly even needing some professional help with such rage.
Lol, its called macabre humor or better know as gallows humor. Being that I work per diam on a critical care transport unit also, my humor is at times a little ghoulish.
Anyway it more of a morbid satire to vocalize my distain in the growth of a certain type of hobbyist themselves.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
. What does it matter anyways what others are doing in the hobby? Who says that selling large frags cheap is the right thing to be doing? Heftier price tags prevent people from buying things they are not prepared to care for.
Maybe in the woods where your from. But around here, price is not really an issue. The attitude, of I want it, don’t care, bag it up and let me be on my way.
I could easily stand on a soapbox and badmouth the retailer who doesn’t ask the simple “get to know the persons setup” questions before they sell something, but I don’t. why cause they are a retailer and I may not like or agree with it but they run their business the way they want, its their business.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
With the mentality of it's just 10 bucks, so what if it dies. POSSIBLY, you are causing more of your frags to meet their demise because of the lower prices.
Possibly, but every person on this forum and the others that I hang on, if a single piece leaves my tanks I ask about the set up and how the water quality is. Are they lying? Possibly, who am I to judge.
If I sell something on the bidding site, I have no control no personal connection to. Maybe you look at a certain forum member and label them, I don’t. Maybe I’m a little crazy, but in a sense I feel have a connection to a lot of members here and the other sites, almost like a bond. I have a trust and a bond with my hose team when I enter a fire or scene I know I can count on the boys behind me, its an unspoken bond thru a hose and a nozzle.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
Additionally, people breed dogs for one reason, to make money. It's no different with corals/fish. A person may only breed one litter per year and that makes them Xmas money. Doesn't mean they should sell theirs for less does it?
How in the world does this even equate to frags??? Are they fragging out puppies?
My god man, sit back and read my post to beth, about dogs, and what we paid for our dogs.
And how canine breeders are not even on the same page with coral. Majority of coral is collected off reefs not bred. Sure some scientist might be but not the wholesaler.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
You need to realize that retailers don't set prices, CONSUMERS do.
Ok, I need to address this bit by bit.
So, by your logic and understanding then, the collector set his price by the CONSUMERS who then sells it to the wholesaler who sets his price by the CONSUMERS who then sells it to the LFS who sells it at prices set but the CONSUMERS. Silly me, I thought it was the collector collects the coral and charges for his overhead who then sells it to the wholesalers who charge to cover his over head then to the LFS who charges to cover his overhead plus food on the table and the CONSUMERS pays for the coral. Gee all this time I had it wrong. The you have the supply and demand factor that plays a role in the over all cost of the coral. Again silly me for think otherwise.
NOW, anyone can go into a store see a rock of AOGs, we’ll use those since they were the topic before. The rock is listed as zoanthids but has no name. They look just like AOGs but they can’t be, because it has no name refering them to aogs. Like a few select people breed AOGs AND any and all others are Chinese knock offs? Right? is this how I’m understanding your logic. Even though the same zoanthid came from the same waters, but were not hand picked and given to a few select people who had named them AOGs previously they can’t be. So, if any coral comes from a store or web site with the name “X” stamped on it, then it is, but if “X”is not stamped on it, it can’t be “X” See the pattern here. Plenty of web sites sell coral that are dragon eye, spring meadow, blow pop, cinnamon palys superman mushrooms, and what ever other name gets you all excited but don’t put the name up. Throw the name up and the price and like lemmings we jump on it.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
So in reality, you are mad at the people who are willing to pay these prices....Not the guy trying to pass a few off.
Once again, NO. Yeah, your right, I hate my self for paying for coral. Absolutely, I hate my self. God you figured me out. Get the sarcasm? I do hate the hacker who buys a coral just to hack it up, I do know a few of them and it makes me sad. Catch that sarcasm? Did not want to upset anyone with my smash a hammer line. No, it’s the guy who tries to pass few off a few at a retail price to me at a swap meet. But has the stones to try and trade with them plus owe them money. I go to a swap to swap. I go and trade frags, If I wanted your LE named coral I would offer to buy them out right.
If anyone can sell a frag at a retail price or over then god bless them.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
When you sell yours for a lower price with larger frags, you are really just trying to move your product.
Ummmmm, yes. You lost me on this?
http:///forum/post/2868752
You need to realize that retailers don't set prices, CONSUMERS do.
Ok, I need to address this bit by bit.
So, by your logic and understanding then, the collector set his price by the CONSUMERS who then sells it to the wholesaler who sets his price by the CONSUMERS who then sells it to the LFS who sells it at prices set but the CONSUMERS. Silly me, I thought it was the collector collects the coral and charges for his overhead who then sells it to the wholesalers who charge to cover his over head then to the LFS who charges to cover his overhead plus food on the table and the CONSUMERS pays for the coral. Gee all this time I had it wrong. The you have the supply and demand factor that plays a role in the over all cost of the coral. Again silly me for think otherwise.
NOW, anyone can go into a store see a rock of AOGs, we’ll use those since they were the topic before. The rock is listed as zoanthids but has no name. They look just like AOGs but they can’t be, because it has no name refering them to aogs. Like a few select people breed AOGs AND any and all others are Chinese knock offs? Right? is this how I’m understanding your logic. Even though the same zoanthid came from the same waters, but were not hand picked and given to a few select people who had named them AOGs previously they can’t be. So, if any coral comes from a store or web site with the name “X” stamped on it, then it is, but if “X”is not stamped on it, it can’t be “X” See the pattern here. Plenty of web sites sell coral that are dragon eye, spring meadow, blow pop, cinnamon palys superman mushrooms, and what ever other name gets you all excited but don’t put the name up. Throw the name up and the price and like lemmings we jump on it.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
So in reality, you are mad at the people who are willing to pay these prices....Not the guy trying to pass a few off.
Once again, NO. Yeah, your right, I hate my self for paying for coral. Absolutely, I hate my self. God you figured me out. Get the sarcasm? I do hate the hacker who buys a coral just to hack it up, I do know a few of them and it makes me sad. Catch that sarcasm? Did not want to upset anyone with my smash a hammer line. No, it’s the guy who tries to pass few off a few at a retail price to me at a swap meet. But has the stones to try and trade with them plus owe them money. I go to a swap to swap. I go and trade frags, If I wanted your LE named coral I would offer to buy them out right.
If anyone can sell a frag at a retail price or over then god bless them.
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2868752
When you sell yours for a lower price with larger frags, you are really just trying to move your product.
Ummmmm, yes. You lost me on this?
wattsupdoc
Active Member
Didnt read a bit of that....Not going to give it merit.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2870121
Didnt read a bit of that....Not going to give it merit.
Please don’t. you have nothing to add to the thread. I thought as I was refuting your post that it maybe to long an tire you out. You convey your thoughts as well as you climb ladders.
http:///forum/post/2870121
Didnt read a bit of that....Not going to give it merit.
Please don’t. you have nothing to add to the thread. I thought as I was refuting your post that it maybe to long an tire you out. You convey your thoughts as well as you climb ladders.
rotarymagic
Active Member
so sharkbait do you have any nice frags right now? PM me.