I've had it!!!! Giving up i think!!!

carshark

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Originally Posted by unleashed
to battle your ph and low cal are you adding buffers? and suppliments.I maintained a 125 agressive tank for 3 1/2 yrs streight with ph of 8.2 without buffers of any sort.last time i moved the tank I did a 50%water change my ph went way down i ended up adding ph buffer now tank is up and running to normal and thriving.ps I use seachem ph 8.3 buffer
and reef advantage calcium w/stontium and magnezium added.ur ph being low aslo will kill your inverts. to battle the ich i def say invest in a few cleaner shrimp even a cleaner wrasse if you can get one.still waiting for lfs to get one for me.I rescently lost a powder blue to ich but the shrimp took care of the rest of the tank.after this loss i went out and baught a uv sterolizer.

well a couple of things here, one is the cleaner shrimp will only mask the problem, it may have won the battle on your fish but its still in your tank. whether or not your fish stay healthy enough to keep it from showing is a whole other story. from all of my research i have found, and the countless hours and hours of reading, ive come up with two solutions(sure fire ways to get rid of it for good) 1.) remove all fish for 6-8 weeks and let the parasite die off, no host no life!. not in my opinion the most asthetic solution. 2.) hyposalinity. this will kill the parasite and since i am not overstocked, i can deal without a cleaner crew for 3-4 weeks. the coral banded shrimp is heading to my buddies LFS and he can sell him off for letting me use his refractometer, until mine arrives next week. my cleanup crew is then going to make its way to my QT which is not ready for fish but will host the cleaners just fine! this has been one amazing learning experience and im glad i got it over with now while i only have minimal money invested, when i say minimal, look at comparison to some of the set ups you see around this site. to follow up on the cleaner shrimp issue, yes i intend to get those guys instead, it was just that the coral banded was given to me and he is one awesome specimen. he is about 6 inches not including antennae. hes a big dude! but he will go away to make way for a couple cleaner shrimp in 3-4 weeks. as far as the cleaner wrasse, it wontbe neccessary because i want to have more exciting fish in there and my tank will be clean from there on out and im not really concerned about getting him. my QT will be running and all additions will be there before they hit my tank for 3-4 weeks. so there i can do all sorts of other treatments, effectively, timely, and precisely. thanks to everyone for their input and it is much much appreciated!!!!
 

carshark

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Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
Your using the immune boosters "Garlic"....You can also buy garlic guard, formula two, it contains garlic...It does help, it worked for me when I first catch my fish with ich, but I also did freshwater dips too....It went away and I never see it again....I had all that ich problem once before when I first got started, I know how frustratiing it is...Keep it up and they should do just fine...Good Luck!!!

yep i already use formula 2 it just took a bit for the hippo and fox to take to it!!
 

carshark

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Originally Posted by Tang3
Debie said this in my thread:
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Excuse me for buding in but is that what they call "rainbow rock" in your pic Carshark?
Have you had any trouble using it in your tank? I love the look of this stuff and going to get some for my cichlid tank but would like to know if it is okay in salt water too?
Deb

depends on what you are referring to, if you mean the rockwork that has 4 holes in it and is red orange white then yes you can use it for your freshwater, i used it in my cichlid tanks in the past(not the same rock but similar)
 

mikeyjer

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Originally Posted by carshark
well a couple of things here, one is the cleaner shrimp will only mask the problem, it may have won the battle on your fish but its still in your tank. whether or not your fish stay healthy enough to keep it from showing is a whole other story. from all of my research i have found, and the countless hours and hours of reading, ive come up with two solutions(sure fire ways to get rid of it for good) 1.) remove all fish for 6-8 weeks and let the parasite die off, no host no life!. not in my opinion the most asthetic solution. 2.) hyposalinity. this will kill the parasite and since i am not overstocked, i can deal without a cleaner crew for 3-4 weeks. the coral banded shrimp is heading to my buddies LFS and he can sell him off for letting me use his refractometer, until mine arrives next week. my cleanup crew is then going to make its way to my QT which is not ready for fish but will host the cleaners just fine! this has been one amazing learning experience and im glad i got it over with now while i only have minimal money invested, when i say minimal, look at comparison to some of the set ups you see around this site. to follow up on the cleaner shrimp issue, yes i intend to get those guys instead, it was just that the coral banded was given to me and he is one awesome specimen. he is about 6 inches not including antennae. hes a big dude! but he will go away to make way for a couple cleaner shrimp in 3-4 weeks. as far as the cleaner wrasse, it wontbe neccessary because i want to have more exciting fish in there and my tank will be clean from there on out and im not really concerned about getting him. my QT will be running and all additions will be there before they hit my tank for 3-4 weeks. so there i can do all sorts of other treatments, effectively, timely, and precisely. thanks to everyone for their input and it is much much appreciated!!!!

IF your fish is healthy, they wouldn't be affected by ich. IF you keep the tank with nothing in it for a month and turning up the temp, that kills all the parasite. Ich is present at ALL times but just never shows any signs unless the fish gets stressed. Cleaner shrimp would minimize the problem and if kept on a good diet, the ich should disappear. Anytime the fish is stressed, the ich can break out no matter how good you keep your tank. A Cleaner Wrasse can be a hassle down the road, it can end up eating your fish alive if it has nothing else to feed on or die. You don't need to cycle your QT tank if you keep up with your water changes. Good Luck!!! :jumping:
 

carshark

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Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
IF your fish is healthy, they wouldn't be affected by ich. IF you keep the tank with nothing in it for a month and turning up the temp, that kills all the parasite. Ich is present at ALL times but just never shows any signs unless the fish gets stressed. Cleaner shrimp would minimize the problem and if kept on a good diet, the ich should disappear. Anytime the fish is stressed, the ich can break out no matter how good you keep your tank. A Cleaner Wrasse can be a hassle down the road, it can end up eating your fish alive if it has nothing else to feed on or die. You don't need to cycle your QT tank if you keep up with your water changes. Good Luck!!! :jumping:

well i understand this yes, however, let me make sure i ask this right, if the parasite can not survive in that environment(1.009) and if this is maintained for four weeks, wouldnt that kill the ich?? a cleaner shrimp(2) is the first purchase that i will make as soon as things return to normal. but again, how can the parasite get back into my tank if it is removed completely from the display and then all purchases from here on in are mantained in a QT 4 weeks before making its way to my display?, id say the chances with a couple cleaner shrimps around and the QT of any new fish are pretty slim for it to show up again. and as far as the "stress factor" ive read countless books and articles stating both opinions and if i treat my fish right, QT correctly, acclimate appropriately, and feed properly, im going to be headed for a great ick less future, but thats just my opinion and im not an expert
 

beth

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Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
IF your fish is healthy, they wouldn't be affected by ich. IF you keep the tank with nothing in it for a month and turning up the temp, that kills all the parasite. Ich is present at ALL times but just never shows any signs unless the fish gets stressed. Cleaner shrimp would minimize the problem and if kept on a good diet, the ich should disappear. Anytime the fish is stressed, the ich can break out no matter how good you keep your tank. A Cleaner Wrasse can be a hassle down the road, it can end up eating your fish alive if it has nothing else to feed on or die. You don't need to cycle your QT tank if you keep up with your water changes. Good Luck!!! :jumping:

I'm afraid not to all these comments.
 

ophiura

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Originally Posted by Beth
Susan can make me stand in the corner in Shark Tank if I'm in violation.

ooooooooohhhhhh. I'm tellin' on youuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Might have to get Thomas involved....
Yes indeed.
 

ophiura

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Originally Posted by Tang3
Debie said this in my thread:
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Excuse me for buding in but is that what they call "rainbow rock" in your pic Carshark?
Have you had any trouble using it in your tank? I love the look of this stuff and going to get some for my cichlid tank but would like to know if it is okay in salt water too?
Deb
It is fine in freshwater, but I would not recommend using it in salt water, personally.
 

beth

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Staff member
Originally Posted by ophiura
ooooooooohhhhhh. I'm tellin' on youuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Might have to get Thomas involved....
Yes indeed.
Tattletale. :help:
 

mikeyjer

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Originally Posted by carshark
well i understand this yes, however, let me make sure i ask this right, if the parasite can not survive in that environment(1.009) and if this is maintained for four weeks, wouldnt that kill the ich?? a cleaner shrimp(2) is the first purchase that i will make as soon as things return to normal. but again, how can the parasite get back into my tank if it is removed completely from the display and then all purchases from here on in are mantained in a QT 4 weeks before making its way to my display?, id say the chances with a couple cleaner shrimps around and the QT of any new fish are pretty slim for it to show up again. and as far as the "stress factor" ive read countless books and articles stating both opinions and if i treat my fish right, QT correctly, acclimate appropriately, and feed properly, im going to be headed for a great ick less future, but thats just my opinion and im not an expert

Yea that would kill the ich. Keeping it QT for 4 weeks would be good. Not an expert here either, just something I've gone through before and stating what I've done to get rid of it. I didn't go with the cleaner shrimp option though, somehow it didn't survive for me...

Ich less future sounds good to me, I hope I keep that up myself. Haven't had that problem anymore after I kept up my tank and feeding good diet. I basically left my tank alone for like 2 months with nothing in it but the two Green Chromis that survived through everything, chemicals and all. Now they have more buddies in there with'em. 3 Heniochus Butterfly, a Naso Tang and 3 Hermit Crabs. My Yellow Tang in the other tank had parasite and ich at the sametime, did a freshwater dip and feed him garlic guard, he's fine now. Did that quite sometime ago when I first got him. He's grown sooo much. I'm amazed how fast they're growing!!!! He and the Humu Humu Trigger eats like pigs, they share their house together too, kinda strange! Never thought a Trigger would sleep with a Tang....Good Luck with your ich problem...
 

carshark

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yeah i understand what you were saying, im just going to do it to the tank now so i dont have to worry about it later, thanks for your advice. yeah thats kinda odd those two sleeping together, i always thought it was strange when my huge yellow tang(8 inches) and the foxface slept, ate, and swam together, but i think that outs it!
 

mikeyjer

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Yea mine swim, eat, and sleep together too,,,very strange. My Naso Tang eats and swims with all 3 Heniochus Butterfly, but they can't all fit in the same area together though...
 

carshark

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yeah now that i got rid of my yellow, he was getting too big, so i traded him at my lfs for a credit for a smaller one when im ready to put him in there....yeah so now its just the regal, the fox, and the percula, they all swim together like crazy. they dont sleep together though, they all have their own spots in the tank.
 

sw65galma

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Like someone suggested...leave the new fish in QT for 4 weeks...If you get couragous you can keep it in hypo for the 4 weeks....
My LFS does that when the get in new fish before they release it....Knock on wood I haven't had ICH from them Yet.
 

mikeyjer

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Originally Posted by sw65galma
Like someone suggested...leave the new fish in QT for 4 weeks...If you get couragous you can keep it in hypo for the 4 weeks....
My LFS does that when the get in new fish before they release it....Knock on wood I haven't had ICH from them Yet.
My LFS USED to do that, not anymore!!! I got ich from their fish, didn't check it out good enough until I got home with them. Too late! The ich KILLED my whole tank. Should of QT, was new at that time still....That's why I haven't bought anymore fish through them instead I order them through this site. Great success and Great Fish from this site!!!
 

carshark

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thats good to hear ive not yet ordered fish from this site, but i am gong to once i get this ich under control and i can get them to my QT after hypo is done, and the system recovers.
 
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thomas712

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Originally Posted by ophiura
ooooooooohhhhhh. I'm tellin' on youuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Might have to get Thomas involved....
Yes indeed.
Huh? what? OK Beth in my office now! :thinking:
 

carshark

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<<<hands beth her new dunce cap

just kidding beth you are a wonderful help ty, hope that new hat matches your shoes!
 
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