Just Added A Tang To A 38 Gal

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touchthesky00

Guest
OK
so my friend just added a hippo tang to his 38 gallon tank.
he has 2 ocellaris clowns in there already and one pseudochromis.
he has 30 lbs of lr some zoos, metallic green mushrooms, 2 unidentified anemones, and a brittle star
his tank has been set up for over a year.
now i told him no way should a tang be in a tank that small but he says that a "proffesional" at a lfs told him that it would be ok as long as he had rocks in the tank
then i told my friend, "it will grow" and he plans to sell it once it gets too big
what do you all think of this?
 

dragonzim

Active Member
I think that the "Professional" that he talked to at his LFS is full of crap, has no idea what he was talking about and just wanted to make a sale, and suckered your friend into buying a fish that was unsuitable for a tank 3 times the size of what he has.
 

grabbitt

Active Member
He's not going to be able to keep it very long before it gets too large for 38 gallons. If it is a juvi, then it is alright for now, but that won't last.
 
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touchthesky00

Guest
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2536027
It's his Tank he can add what he wants to it.
i understand that, he just didnt believe me and he wanted a third opinion
also he saw that here on swf.com that minimum tank size for a hippo is 40 gallons
 
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rcreations

Guest
I agree. It's his tank, he can put whatever he wants in it. I wouldn't have done it myself, but hey... his money, his time, his tank, who am I to tell someone else what to do?
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by touchthesky00
http:///forum/post/2536033
i understand that, he just didnt believe me and he wanted a third opinion
also he saw that here on swf.com that minimum tank size for a hippo is 40 gallons
That's the minimum size listed for a SMALL hippo tang. He needs to consider the full grown size of the fish, which is up to 12 inches. If he thinks a 12 inch fish will survive in that size tank then he's got some learning to do.

I'm sure it won't live that long anyway, it'll die of stress long before it can become fully grown.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2536055
I'm sure it won't live that long anyway, it'll die of stress long before it can become fully grown.
I agree, the odds are not in favor of the Tang lasting more than even a year. It's certainly possible, but less than 50/50 in my opinion.
 

elton092982

Member
Nothing against anyone on these boards cus i'm sure you no more about this hobby then me. But I always say you won't know until you try it. I hear all the time on these forums how you can't keep this guy with this and this guy with that. To me thats not the case. I have 2 setups right now one of them my brothers while hes serving our country.
But anyway in his tank he has a 5-6 inch misbard maroon and a small 1-2 inch gold stripe maroon. I have a 40 gal with a golden head sleeper goby which most say should be in a 55 or larger. It's housed with a 3-4 inch percula a 1 inch Royal Gramma a 4-5 inch Jovanese damsel which most would say should of killed off something already and a sixline wrassee along with a gigantic green brittle aka death star , who has been the model citizen. The point im making is don't always read into what others have experienced until you've tried it for yourself.
BTW all these fish except for the sixline and gramma which joined 2 months ago have been in the tank for 8 months.
 

wangotango

Active Member
IMO tangs in smaller tanks can't be compared to other "unknowns" in this hobby. You can say that there is a 50/50 chance that your flame angel will eat your coral because it depends on the fish, but you cannot say that it's a toss us as to whether or not a tang that can grow to about a foot long can live long in a 38gal. There just is not enough space and not enough rockwork to sustain it. You can break a lot of reefing taboos, but not this one.
You're right, the best way to learn is to do things yourself and the fish could live longer than we think, but IMO it's not worth it.
-Justin
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Alot of these 'rules' also apply to the long-term health of a tank. Although they aren't set in stone, and there are times that these things work out overall it is not a good idea. If you put a Tang in a 30 gallon will it explode or die that instantly, no. If you mix certain speicies of clowns and anemones within a small tank they will automatically kill eachother withing 5 seconds, again no. We are talking about long-term health of these animals.
It is sad because a lot of people i've spoken to say that there fish die within a year or so, when if you look at the lifespan of these creatures it is 5+ years or even more. IMO don't judge the success of your tank by saying you've had it for a year or even two. That is short-term success IMO, your goal should be 5 or more years. And this isn't to say after 5 years these things won't work out, its just to say by that time 99% of the time it wouldn't work and you were that lucky 1%.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2536039
I agree. It's his tank, he can put whatever he wants in it. I wouldn't have done it myself, but hey... his money, his time, his tank, who am I to tell someone else what to do?

Thanks! ...and Bang Guy too. IMO; this forum can quickly turn from an exchange of ideas and experiences into a debate on morality. I'll gladly give my opinion, but I'm not going to give someone a lecture when it comes to a fish.
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
Originally Posted by elton092982
http:///forum/post/2536106
Nothing against anyone on these boards cus i'm sure you no more about this hobby then me. But I always say you won't know until you try it. I hear all the time on these forums how you can't keep this guy with this and this guy with that. To me thats not the case. I have 2 setups right now one of them my brothers while hes serving our country.
But anyway in his tank he has a 5-6 inch misbard maroon and a small 1-2 inch gold stripe maroon. I have a 40 gal with a golden head sleeper goby which most say should be in a 55 or larger. It's housed with a 3-4 inch percula a 1 inch Royal Gramma a 4-5 inch Jovanese damsel which most would say should of killed off something already and a sixline wrassee along with a gigantic green brittle aka death star , who has been the model citizen. The point im making is don't always read into what others have experienced until you've tried it for yourself.
BTW all these fish except for the sixline and gramma which joined 2 months ago have been in the tank for 8 months.

This is only true to a certain degree. You need to do your own research, yes, and not just believe what one person is saying. However, read some books, ask around, get some opinions, and then make a decision. That is why people share their experiences; so that you do not make the same dumb decisions that they did and waste the same money and time and effort and kill the same animal that they did.
I don't believe in the whole, "You don't know until you have tried it." Yes you do. There are PLENTY of things that you know before you try them. You know that a Moorish Idol is not going to live well in your aquarium. You know this because not even dedicated public aquariums can keep them longer than a year or two. You know that you should not buy a panther grouper for your 55 because the fish gets 3 feet. You do not have to "see" about this one. You know that a stonefish could kill you if it hits you with its venom. You don't have to try this one either. You know that a sea apple has the potential to wipe everything out in your tank if you are not careful.
The only thing that your argument really works with are the toss-up issues, like a angel or butterfly in a reef, a trigger in a reef, mixing clowns, animals that sometimes can be aggressive, etc. These are all things that several people *have* had luck with before, so it is not impossible.
On the other hand, show me someone with a maturing hippo tang in his 55 that has lived for over a year. Show me a tank of 15 triggers in a 180 that are not ripping apart. These things are just not going to happen. People have tried them and have failed. However, people always get upset when others harp on the tang in a 6 foot tank but that is because there are dozens and dozens of people with beautiful 125's that have maturing tangs perfectly healthy.
I also fully agree that whatever you decide to do with your tank, so be it. If you decide to go against the advice everyone is offering, that is your choice and you are perfectly free to make that choice. However, don't be upset when either the decision turns out to be a bad one or fewer people are willing to offer advice next time. If you make a decision, take responsibility for it and accept whatever consequences occur.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2536193
Thanks! ...and Bang Guy too. IMO; this forum can quickly turn from an exchange of ideas and experiences into a debate on morality. I'll gladly give my opinion, but I'm not going to give someone a lecture when it comes to a fish.
When someone askes for a lecture I will gladly spend my time sharing my experience. The main purpose behind sharing experience is to prevent someone from making the same mistakes I did as well as the mistakes I have witnessed other hobbiests make. I hear a lot about "just try it" but I disagree a bit about that. There are many many hobbiests that have made small and large mistakes. When a large number of hobbiests share the same mistake I really don't see any purpose in "just try it". Why continue to make the same mistake?
 

elton092982

Member
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
http:///forum/post/2536207
This is only true to a certain degree. You need to do your own research, yes, and not just believe what one person is saying. However, read some books, ask around, get some opinions, and then make a decision. That is why people share their experiences; so that you do not make the same dumb decisions that they did and waste the same money and time and effort and kill the same animal that they did.
I don't believe in the whole, "You don't know until you have tried it." Yes you do. There are PLENTY of things that you know before you try them. You know that a Moorish Idol is not going to live well in your aquarium. You know this because not even dedicated public aquariums can keep them longer than a year or two. You know that you should not buy a panther grouper for your 55 because the fish gets 3 feet. You do not have to "see" about this one. You know that a stonefish could kill you if it hits you with its venom. You don't have to try this one either. You know that a sea apple has the potential to wipe everything out in your tank if you are not careful.
The only thing that your argument really works with are the toss-up issues, like a angel or butterfly in a reef, a trigger in a reef, mixing clowns, animals that sometimes can be aggressive, etc. These are all things that several people *have* had luck with before, so it is not impossible.
On the other hand, show me someone with a maturing hippo tang in his 55 that has lived for over a year. Show me a tank of 15 triggers in a 180 that are not ripping apart. These things are just not going to happen. People have tried them and have failed. However, people always get upset when others harp on the tang in a 6 foot tank but that is because there are dozens and dozens of people with beautiful 125's that have maturing tangs perfectly healthy.
I also fully agree that whatever you decide to do with your tank, so be it. If you decide to go against the advice everyone is offering, that is your choice and you are perfectly free to make that choice. However, don't be upset when either the decision turns out to be a bad one or fewer people are willing to offer advice next time. If you make a decision, take responsibility for it and accept whatever consequences occur.

Guess my opnion was a little mis led. When I referred to "You don't know until you have tried it." I didn't mean in the sense as you said throwing 15 angels and expect everything to go well in a tank or panther grouper for your 55 because the fish gets 3 feet. I meant more realistic things like I meantioned above.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2536209
When someone askes for a lecture I will gladly spend my time sharing my experience. The main purpose behind sharing experience is to prevent someone from making the same mistakes I did as well as the mistakes I have witnessed other hobbiests make. I hear a lot about "just try it" but I disagree a bit about that. There are many many hobbiests that have made small and large mistakes. When a large number of hobbiests share the same mistake I really don't see any purpose in "just try it". Why continue to make the same mistake?
Well put. I just get lost when the discussion starts putting fish on the same level as people. Off the topic; but, watch the letters to the editor of a newspaper. The letters pour in when a cat is abused, but not when kids are. (Especially if it happens overseas.)
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2536360
Well put. I just get lost when the discussion starts putting fish on the same level as people. Off the topic; but, watch the letters to the editor of a newspaper. The letters pour in when a cat is abused, but not when kids are. (Especially if it happens overseas.)
Agreed but neither is right.
I agree your tank your choice. But I hate when people confuse science with selfishness. Most people overload their tanks, or buy a mandarine for their 30 gallon to 'test it out' and 'see if it works.' Its 'just experiementing' when the reality is there is nothing scientific about testings somthing that has already been proven (or is accepted law). If it was a true experiement they would have another environment (the proper one) for the fish in case things do go sour, but the reality is they don't.
They want to claim it is just an experiement when the reality it is their selfishness and lack of patients. Then blame other factors like 'a bad salt batch' or 'ick' on the dealths, when in reality it was their ignorance and selfishness.
Just don't get the two confused.
 

alix2.0

Active Member
Originally Posted by elton092982
http:///forum/post/2536276
Guess my opnion was a little mis led. When I referred to "You don't know until you have tried it." I didn't mean in the sense as you said throwing 15 angels and expect everything to go well in a tank or panther grouper for your 55 because the fish gets 3 feet. I meant more realistic things like I meantioned above.
how is the idea of keeping a tang which gets bigger than a dinner plate in a 38 gallon tank (which is only a little more than 30 inches long) realistic?
 
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