Kwame

crimzy

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Well, most of you are probably not interested in Detroit city politics but what's going on here is absolutely ridiculous. Kwame Kilpatrick's reign as mayor has been riddled with controversy and scandal. There are the "minor" issues of him purchasing a loaded Lincoln Navigator for his wife with city money. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of city money have gone to his personal vacations, dinners, nightlife and general entertainment. He awarded over $45 million dollars of city contracts to his criminal buddy, Bobby Ferguson, without any fair bidding process, (wonder if he got a kick-back for that). All of this has been verified but still overlooked by the city for the most part.
Then comes the issue of the party at the Manoogian mansion. Kwame has always denied that this party ever happened. Out of this party, there was a police report where Kwame's wife beat up a stripper (that she allegedly found doing something inappropriate with her husband). This same stripper was found dead a couple of weeks later.
Three senior police officers began investigating the murder, assault and the connection to this party. Kwame fired these cops. Two of them brought a whistleblower action against the city (the other brought a separate case). The matter went to jury trial and a verdict was rendered against the city for approximately 6.5 million dollars. After the verdict came down Kwame renegotiated the deal and agreed to pay 9 million dollars with the stipulation that all of the personal information and documents that came out in discovery be kept confidential. He gave them another 2.5 million dollars of city money to try to keep his name clear!
After the trial, the newspaper was able to get copies of Kwame's text messages through the freedom of information act. It came out that Kwame was having an affair with his Chief of Staff, Christine Beatty. He lied about this under oath in the trial. The Wayne County prosecutor is now deciding whether or not to charge him with perjury. Of course Kwame called the prosecutor to let her know that he will no longer oppose her in the next election but I'm sure that's unrelated (yeah right). The Detroit city counsel is going to pass a formal resolution requesting that Kwame resign, although they don't have any power to remove him from office unless he gets charged with a crime.
Since this all came out, Kwame has refused to answer any questions about what's happened. Last night he gave his State of the City speech where he talked about all the wonderful things he's doing. At the end he went on a tirade about how he's being treated. He called out the city counsel member who refused to sit at the table with him. He described his treatment as "bigoted, lynch mob mentality". This guy even used the N word in his speech. To me this is unacceptable, as my children should not hear that word on network TV in such a forum.
The craziest thing about the situation is that a lot of ignorant people in the city are now coming in to defend this guy. It's as if all a black person has to do is cry racism and he is beyond reproach. He claimed that he's been called the N word and this inflaims some people to come to his support. He plays the race card and people forget that he has lied, cheated and stole from a city that's already in financial turmoil.
This is what I hate about politics. It seems that intelligence will never beat ignorance among the voters. These people re-elected him when all of this scandal was already out there. For all I know they would still re-elect this idiot. They can have him. Does any other state want to take Detroit off our hands? Canada? You can have it.
 

rylan1

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I am fairly familar with this situation... I don't believe he caused this woman's murder... but with all the things going on nowadays..you never know. At first I saw this guy as an up in coming polititian. I thought he had a bright future... he's african american and became mayor at like 28-29 of one of the largest cities in America... this is quite an accomplishment... I do think its possible that he may have been called racist names or treated inappropriate by some people...however, this doesn't excuse his behavior and the way he has run that office. I believe there are quite a few great things he has done for the city... I believe he is responsible for some of the face lift Detroit has experienced in recent years... the success of the Super Bowl... etc. But I think its time for him to leave the office... With much power comes great responsiblity, which is something that he has failed to do.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2514188
I believe there are quite a few great things he has done for the city... I believe he is responsible for some of the face lift Detroit has experienced in recent years... the success of the Super Bowl... etc.
Face lift is a good term to use here because he has made only aesthetic changes, nothing of substance. He was responsible for some renovations of buildings in the area where the stadiums are so they look better. However he has cut the police drastically. The educational system is worse than its been in many years. Property taxes in Detroit are higher than some of the most prominent suberbs in Michigan.
Kwame started a scholarship fund where he raised about $600K for scholarships... however he paid himself $300K for his role. He has brought in the final four and provided huge tax credits for some companies to come to Detroit. But where is the benefit to having these companies in Detroit if they don't contribute tax money to the local economy? IMO, Detroit is looking at its darkest hour since the '67 riots. Much of it's related to the Michigan economy but a lot of it's directly attributable to this mayor.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2514206
Face lift is a good term to use here because he has made only aesthetic changes, nothing of substance. He was responsible for some renovations of buildings in the area where the stadiums are so they look better. However he has cut the police drastically. The educational system is worse than its been in many years. Property taxes in Detroit are higher than some of the most prominent suberbs in Michigan.
Kwame started a scholarship fund where he raised about $600K for scholarships... however he paid himself $300K for his role. He has brought in the final four and provided huge tax credits for some companies to come to Detroit. But where is the benefit to having these companies in Detroit if they don't contribute tax money to the local economy? IMO, Detroit is looking at its darkest hour since the '67 riots. Much of it's related to the Michigan economy but a lot of it's directly attributable to this mayor.
Given the status of the community... bringing companies brings jobs... and I know its difficult to attrack companies...
How much control does the mayor have on the school system? I don't think its much and is a state and school system issue... but I agree something needs to be done... Inner city schools across America are having difficulties..people attribute this to the students and parents, but I think there is something else going on..
I know crime is a big issue, and a reduction in police force is a bad idea...crime is one of the biggest issues for Detroit because it forces businesses out, good jobs and people, and it deters people from wanting to come to visit the casinos and everything else you have to offer.
 

1journeyman

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It further appears this guy is a superdelegate pledged to Obama.
Incredible summation Crimzy. I'd never heard any of that.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2514490
It further appears this guy is a superdelegate pledged to Obama.
Incredible summation Crimzy. I'd never heard any of that.
Of course the guy is in Obama's corner, although that should not reflect negatively on Obama. He has used his own people time and again for personal gains. Everything involving Kwame is black v. white. When he got re-elected, he defeated Freman Hendrix by suggesting that he was an Uncle Tom because of his relationship with the suberbs. He recently presented a proposal that the only contractors eligible for city contract would have to be 51% black and 51% Detroit residents. Os course this proposal failed but keep in mind that this limited the city contracts to only 2 or 3 options for contractors. Not coincidentally, these contractors are very close supporters of Kwame's (more kick-backs???). This guy hides his corruption behind the race card in the most segregated black city in the country (statistically speaking).
People are picketing in front of his house everyday asking him to resign. Personally, I hope that he is charged with perjury and then removed from office in disgrace. Of course even that won't repay the millions of dollars that he has stolen from "his people."
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2514490
It further appears this guy is a superdelegate pledged to Obama.
Incredible summation Crimzy. I'd never heard any of that.
I don't think that matters.... This Spitzer guy is a superdelegate for Clinton..these shouldn't play a role in either of their presidential campaigns.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2514541
Of course the guy is in Obama's corner, although that should not reflect negatively on Obama. He has used his own people time and again for personal gains. Everything involving Kwame is black v. white. When he got re-elected, he defeated Freman Hendrix by suggesting that he was an Uncle Tom because of his relationship with the suberbs. He recently presented a proposal that the only contractors eligible for city contract would have to be 51% black and 51% Detroit residents. Os course this proposal failed but keep in mind that this limited the city contracts to only 2 or 3 options for contractors. Not coincidentally, these contractors are very close supporters of Kwame's (more kick-backs???). This guy hides his corruption behind the race card in the most segregated black city in the country (statistically speaking).
People are picketing in front of his house everyday asking him to resign. Personally, I hope that he is charged with perjury and then removed from office in disgrace. Of course even that won't repay the millions of dollars that he has stolen from "his people."
I'm black and I think he should probably leave office... I bet a lot of his support is by people whom he has helped... I would say that there is a lot of black people there that are also against him...
When are the next elections?
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2514557
I'm black and I think he should probably leave office... I bet a lot of his support is by people whom he has helped... I would say that there is a lot of black people there that are also against him...
When are the next elections?
You are 100% right and I'm not suggesting that all black people are supporting him. I give credit to the city counsel for taking that stand that they have and there is quite a bit of public outcry from black and white people in this area.
What does surprise me is the amount of support that he is able to garner by playing the race card. Of course not everyone is a supporter and his supporters are getting more and more limited. However these tactics do actually work with a lot of people. They support him while he robs them behind their backs. Everybody knew about the Navigator, his personal spending, the party, the stripper, etc. at the time that he was re-elected. These things were common knowledge. I guess this city got what it asked for.
I don't know when the next elections are...
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2514549
I don't think that matters.... This Spitzer guy is a superdelegate for Clinton..these shouldn't play a role in either of their presidential campaigns.
Sorry Rylan, my remark was not meant to detract on Obama. It was simply to add to the fact that he is a super delegate yet this story is getting no national media attention. It was quickly pointed out, on the National Media, that Spitzer was a SD for Hillary.
 

crimzy

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Well, the hammer just dropped on our beloved mayor. He got charged with 8 criminal charges: Conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, 2 counts of misconduct in office and 4 counts of perjury. I give the Wayne County prosecutor, Kim Worthy, credit because she did what was right despite the racial divide that Kwame was trying to draw. She was in a tough spot, though I believe that this decision will help her in future political ambitions. Personally I think she is starting her campaign now for Detroit's next mayor.
 

crimzy

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I know that most people could care less about politics in the landfill we call Detroit. However, this is a huge, unprecidented day around here. Actually it's a very sad day for the city but we all knew what was going on before the charges were actually filed. At least a small portion of the corruption is being addressed by the courts.
 

rylan1

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A racial divide would give Kilpatrick the majority support he needs.. I did see the indictment... What I don't like are the perjury charges... I don't think its our place to question a political figure on affairs he may have had... I think those are family issues... But I will say that it would have been wise for him to step down... he would probably have avoided the charges...
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2532920
A racial divide would give Kilpatrick the majority support he needs.. I did see the indictment... What I don't like are the perjury charges... I don't think its our place to question a political figure on affairs he may have had... I think those are family issues... But I will say that it would have been wise for him to step down... he would probably have avoided the charges...
That's only one of the four perjury charges. Another perjury charge deals with him denying that he knew that his party was being investigated when he fired the officers. The other two are perjury out of court, meaning that he lied on an affidavit or in a deposition but I don't know what the substance of these charges entails.
The most appropriate charge is the misconduct in office for agreeing to pay the officers an extra $2.5 million over the jury verdict to keep the incriminating evidence confidential. This was him playing with the tax payer money to cover his own butt. This has nothing to do with his infidelity or other personal misgivings.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2532937
That's only one of the four perjury charges. Another perjury charge deals with him denying that he knew that his party was being investigated when he fired the officers. The other two are perjury out of court, meaning that he lied on an affidavit or in a deposition but I don't know what the substance of these charges entails.
The most appropriate charge is the misconduct in office for agreeing to pay the officers an extra $2.5 million over the jury verdict to keep the incriminating evidence confidential. This was him playing with the tax payer money to cover his own butt. This has nothing to do with his infidelity or other personal misgivings.
Okay, thats fine..as I mentioned I think he as unappropriatly taken advantage of his power and resources as mayor... I am tired of hearing about the affairs though... I don't think those are family matters and should be kept out of the workplace... But as far as the other stuff... I can't defend it, I just hate to see potenital go down the drain...
 

crimzy

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Just as an update...
Kwame has started the "Detroit Justice Fund" and is asking the people of Detroit to contribute to pay his $700.00 per hour attorney fees.
And the problem is that there are many shady, greasy palms who will want to keep this guy in office. For instance, Bobby Ferguson (well known criminal and friend of Kwame's) has received over $45.5 million dollars in city contracts without any open bidding. I'm sure people like him will throw a few dollars towards the fund.
On another note, some facts of the party have come out. Allegedly, Kwame's wife walked in while the stripper was performing an oral act upon the mayor. The wife proceeded to get a baseball bat and beat the stripper. The police report made by the stripper was "lost". The stripper was found dead shortly after.
This is worse than a soap opera.
 
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