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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas#post_3411174
You don't get it. I am not irritated at just him for this. I know Bush took expensive vacations. All of congress and the Potus in the past 20 years have increased their lavish luxuries at the expense of the tax payer. That is the point. Asking everyone to make do with less, while stil;l adding to the deficit for their personal self worth or gain. It isn't just Obama, it is all of them. Just because the predecessors did it, doesn't make it right or justified. That is like Obama invading Syria and justifying it because Bush invaded Iraq. Even though you complained about Bush for invading Iraq. Just because the previous guy did it, doesn't make it right. IU seem to remember you complaining about Bush's vacations, the amount of them taken, and the cost. Yet here you are. defending the same action for Obama.
Darth (I see big Hypocrites) Tang
So Obama cqan't order the secret service to cancel them? He had no problem canceling the fighter jets that were ordered over a year ago. He had no problem canceling the missile defense system in place for Poland for a year. You are seriously arguing the President of the united states can't order the secret service to cancel orders?
What exactly can the President do then? Because apparently. he can't do anything according to you and is basically a paper figurehead.
Darth (took civics 101 and passed) Tang
The Secret Service has a budget just like every other department in Washington. The Transportation Dept. has a budget. Did purchasing these two buses exceed their annual budget for vehicle allocation? If so, then you're correct, they shuldn't have purchased them. I didn't check. The cost of these two buses could have been allocated during the last term of Bush. Knowing how far in advance the government works, it wouldn't surprise me. I suppose if Obama wanted to cut the Transportation budget when he first came into office, he could have. That's when he'd have had to do it in order to have the Transportation Dept. cancel the bus order. You ever pre-orered a vehicle and cancelled it at the last minute? They probably would've had to pay at least $500K just to cancel the order. Are you saying it' not necessary to adequately protect the POTUS when he travels? You want him to just ride around in some school bus with corrugated tin on the windows?
Besides, the buses will be used for YEARS after Obama has gone. How much does it cost to purchase and maintain 5 or 6 SUV's or other large vehicles that they would've had to get to replace these two buses?
Bionic (I guess if you call a 'D' passing, OK then.) Arm
 

bionicarm

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Is it going to cost us over $1 trillion and 10 years to invade Syria? We were supposedly going to invade Libya. All we did is lob a few missles at them. The rebels did the rest, and Ghadafi is pretty much done for. I honestly haven't read anything about Obama's plans on Syria. Personally, I prefer to pull our entire forces out of the Middle East, and leave them to their misery. We have no business over there in the first place.
The point I'm making is everyone is railing the Obama's for taking vacations, when every Presidential family before them has done the same thing. It was done during similar economic crisis. Sure I complained about Bush and his spending. Did you complain when Dubya and Laura took their lavish vacations and trips? If not, why not? I guess you're defending their actions.
Bionic (look whose being hypocritcal now) Arm
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411189
The Secret Service has a budget just like every other department in Washington. The Transportation Dept. has a budget. Did purchasing these two buses exceed their annual budget for vehicle allocation? If so, then you're correct, they shuldn't have purchased them. I didn't check. The cost of these two buses could have been allocated during the last term of Bush. Knowing how far in advance the government works, it wouldn't surprise me. I suppose if Obama wanted to cut the Transportation budget when he first came into office, he could have. That's when he'd have had to do it in order to have the Transportation Dept. cancel the bus order. You ever pre-orered a vehicle and cancelled it at the last minute? They probably would've had to pay at least $500K just to cancel the order. Are you saying it' not necessary to adequately protect the POTUS when he travels? You want him to just ride around in some school bus with corrugated tin on the windows?
Besides, the buses will be used for YEARS after Obama has gone. How much does it cost to purchase and maintain 5 or 6 SUV's or other large vehicles that they would've had to get to replace these two buses?
Bionic (I guess if you call a 'D' passing, OK then.) Arm
I thought you claimed the Buses were ordered last year. Now you are saying they may have been ordered during Bush's term? Which is it. Atleast I know what I am talking about and can reference my statements.
Darth (credible) Tang
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411190
Is it going to cost us over $1 trillion and 10 years to invade Syria? We were supposedly going to invade Libya. All we did is lob a few missles at them. The rebels did the rest, and Ghadafi is pretty much done for. I honestly haven't read anything about Obama's plans on Syria. Personally, I prefer to pull our entire forces out of the Middle East, and leave them to their misery. We have no business over there in the first place.
The point I'm making is everyone is railing the Obama's for taking vacations, when every Presidential family before them has done the same thing. It was done during similar economic crisis. Sure I complained about Bush and his spending. Did you complain when Dubya and Laura took their lavish vacations and trips? If not, why not? I guess you're defending their actions.
Bionic (look whose being hypocritcal now) Arm
Do you know the cost of each missle? How about the manpower to station battleships and aircraft carriers off the coast. Is this action finished.
I railed Bush for his spending as well, yes. One difference, Bush's vacation spending stayed in country. Obamas?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas#post_3411138
The buses were purchased from funds from the Transportation Dept. budget by the Secret Service. They ordered them over a year ago, and due to the customizations (armour plating, bullet-proof glass, etc.), they couldn't cancel the orders. They weren't purchased specifically for Obama's road campaign. He's just the first person to use them. Once he's done, they go into the Secret Service fleet to be used by dignitaries, and any other "special person" that's deemed to need that type of transportation in the future.
Gimmi a damned break! Who the hell else is going to have a use for a bullet proof bus?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411190
Is it going to cost us over $1 trillion and 10 years to invade Syria? We were supposedly going to invade Libya. All we did is lob a few missles at them. The rebels did the rest, and Ghadafi is pretty much done for. I honestly haven't read anything about Obama's plans on Syria. Personally, I prefer to pull our entire forces out of the Middle East, and leave them to their misery. We have no business over there in the first place.
The point I'm making is everyone is railing the Obama's for taking vacations, when every Presidential family before them has done the same thing. It was done during similar economic crisis. Sure I complained about Bush and his spending. Did you complain when Dubya and Laura took their lavish vacations and trips? If not, why not? I guess you're defending their actions.
Bionic (look whose being hypocritcal now) Arm
Every other president hasn't railed against the "rich" and complained about tax breaks for corporate jets (which by the way this silly SOB implemented as part of his stimulus) while taking lifestyles of the rich and famous vacations.
 

reefraff

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My complaint with Libya is they currently didn't pose a threat while we sat on our hands with Syria who is a current sponsor of terrorism.
0bama's "no boots on the ground" promise for Libya was a rookie mistake. They have a whole lot of weapons that can only be secured by ground troops. Other than that you can't really complain about the Libya campaign.
 

kiefers

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The busus themselves probably did not cost that much, it was the revamping of the buses, bullet proofing, improved comfort measures, carpet. They had to basically cut these buses in half to bullet/ missle proof everything. Thats is where the cost most likely comes in. Yes tho, who needs it? Congress? They can't walk across the street? Lol...
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411193
I thought you claimed the Buses were ordered last year. Now you are saying they may have been ordered during Bush's term? Which is it. Atleast I know what I am talking about and can reference my statements.
Darth (credible) Tang
Do you know the cost of each missle? How about the manpower to station battleships and aircraft carriers off the coast. Is this action finished.
I railed Bush for his spending as well, yes. One difference, Bush's vacation spending stayed in country. Obamas?
I didn't say the buses were ordered during Bush tenure, I said Bush may have provided budgeting to the Transportation Dept. for the buses. As slow as the Feds move, it wouldn't surprise me that it would take 2 years to finally get the approval to spend the money that was allocated for the purchase.
It was several million. You're comparing that to the triilion plus we've spent on Iraq? That's a stretch, even for you.
Bush spent 1,020 days of his presidency on vacation. To put this into context, John F. Kennedy spent fewer days in office, 1000, than George W. Bush spent on vacation. Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, 490 days at his Crawford ranch, and 43 days in Kennebunkport. George W. Bush spent 69 days in Crawford during his first year in office. In contrast, according to FactCheck.org, Obama spent all, or part of, 26 days of his first year in office on vacation. This was less than all three previous Republican presidents, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, but more than the two previous Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinto n.
So you think 1,020 days of vacations, requiring the same amount of Secret Service detail, flights to these places on AF1, etc. was cheaper than a trip to Spain, Hawaii, and Martha' Vineyard? If you recall, Obama has family in Hawaii. So you want to penalize the guy because he wants to visit realtives during Christmas, even though it's not part of the Continental US?
 

darthtang aw

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Dont even get me started on Libya. That whole thing is one big joke.
Khadaffi had one of the largest stockpiles. Of surface to air missles in the world. Purchased from russia.
The revolution started with citizens from age 18 to 30 unable to find work. So there was a revolution...we lobbed missles at khadaffi forces. Now the population still has no jobs....they have acquired weapons in a country with no governmental oversight or semblances of control. If you have no job and need to feed your family, what are you gonna do with the weapons you have acquired?
This whole ordeal has once again destabalized a region.
this was the argument from theleft concerning sadaam...his removal did remove the most stabalizing force in the region. Khaddaffi was a similar stabalizing force...now without the stabilization, and unemployed population in control of military grade weapons....it will only get worse in the years to come.
Sure, let's pull out of afghanistan and iraq right now...libya as well......wonder who will get those armaments that are now loose in the gen pop. I wonder how long before they are used in mass terrorist actions.
Why is it noone ever looks long term?
 

darthtang aw

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The busus themselves probably did not cost that much, it was the revamping of the buses, bullet proofing, improved comfort measures, carpet. They had to basically cut these buses in half to bullet/ missle proof everything. Thats is where the cost most likely comes in. Yes tho, who needs it? Congress? They can't walk across the street? Lol...
Naw, congress don't need it....pelosi flies in a private jet everywhere on the tax payers dime. She wouldn't be caught dead in a bus.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411215
Dont even get me started on Libya. That whole thing is one big joke.
Khadaffi had one of the largest stockpiles. Of surface to air missles in the world. Purchased from russia.
The revolution started with citizens from age 18 to 30 unable to find work. So there was a revolution...we lobbed missles at khadaffi forces. Now the population still has no jobs....they have acquired weapons in a country with no governmental oversight or semblances of control. If you have no job and need to feed your family, what are you gonna do with the weapons you have acquired?
This whole ordeal has once again destabalized a region.
this was the argument from theleft concerning sadaam...his removal did remove the most stabalizing force in the region. Khaddaffi was a similar stabalizing force...now without the stabilization, and unemployed population in control of military grade weapons....it will only get worse in the years to come.
Sure, let's pull out of afghanistan and iraq right now...libya as well......wonder who will get those armaments that are now loose in the gen pop. I wonder how long before they are used in mass terrorist actions.
Why is it noone ever looks long term?
We did that once before. Look what it got us. 9/11. Nuff said.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411214
With the wacko Tea Baggers out there, I wouldn't want to be driving around in a conventional bus...
Lets see, one DEMOCRAT Congesswoman calls the Tea Party the Enemy, Another says they can go to hell and she aint afraid of them. A couple union thugs beat up a tea party guy at a rally. Seems to me it's the Tea Party folks who need protection from you left wingers.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas#post_3411170
He paid for all his personal expenses. As POTUS, the Secret Service is required to protect him and his family at all costs and at all times, even while on vacation. He's also granted access to private transportation, including several jets, autos, helicopters, and any other transportation needed. Every POTUS in the last 6 decades has been afforded those privileges, and used them the same way he did. Go look up some of the trips the Reagan's, Carter's, Clinton's, and Daddy Bush took during their times in office, Add inflation to their costs, and they'd probably equal or exceed the $10 million the Obama's have spent.
It doesn't matter if there's a D, R, or now a TP behind their names. They all do it.
Bionic (Darth still can't face reality) Arm
But how many presidents have taken lavish vacations with a historically high unemployment rate? Just this year his wife has vacationed in Florida, Spain, Vail, Martha's and one other that slips my mind. Man, thats a lot of travel we have to pick up for her, her staff and the secret service PLUS we do have to pay the total costs for staff members she takes with her.
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411283
But how many presidents have taken lavish vacations with a historically high unemployment rate? Just this year his wife has vacationed in Florida, Spain, Vail, Martha's and one other that slips my mind. Man, thats a lot of travel we have to pick up for her, her staff and the secret service PLUS we do have to pay the total costs for staff members she takes with her.
Didn't they vacation in Hawaii? Perhaps for Christmas??
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411283
But how many presidents have taken lavish vacations with a historically high unemployment rate? Just this year his wife has vacationed in Florida, Spain, Vail, Martha's and one other that slips my mind. Man, thats a lot of travel we have to pick up for her, her staff and the secret service PLUS we do have to pay the total costs for staff members she takes with her.
OK, have Congress pass a law that states no Federal employees are allowed vacation if the National Unemployment Rate exceeds 7.5%.
I don't begrudge anyone in a stresful job like the Presidency to take some "downtime" every once in a while. I just don't think they should be scrutinized as to where they take it. Like I asked before, what's the difference between taking one trip to Spain, and five trips to Crawford? Each requires the same costs for staff, security, etc. The only difference is the cost for traveling overseas as opposed to traveling between states in the Continental US. I can guarantee you that Crawford, TX is no Vail, Hawaii, or Spain, but if you added up the total cots of 5 trips to Crawford as opposed to one trip to Spain, you'd probably find they aren't that far apart.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411442
OK, have Congress pass a law that states no Federal employees are allowed vacation if the National Unemployment Rate exceeds 7.5%.
I don't begrudge anyone in a stresful job like the Presidency to take some "downtime" every once in a while. I just don't think they should be scrutinized as to where they take it. Like I asked before, what's the difference between taking one trip to Spain, and five trips to Crawford? Each requires the same costs for staff, security, etc. The only difference is the cost for traveling overseas as opposed to traveling between states in the Continental US. I can guarantee you that Crawford, TX is no Vail, Hawaii, or Spain, but if you added up the total cots of 5 trips to Crawford as opposed to one trip to Spain, you'd probably find they aren't that far apart.
50 trips to crawford wouldn't cost what that one trip to Spain did. I guess if you understood the problem you wouldn't vote Democrat. Everything a President does makes news. With well over 10% of the country unemployed and a majority of the country convinced we are headed in the wrong direction this paints a bad picture.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/387561/let-them-eat-peas/20#post_3411476
50 trips to crawford wouldn't cost what that one trip to Spain did. I guess if you understood the problem you wouldn't vote Democrat. Everything a President does makes news. With well over 10% of the country unemployed and a majority of the country convinced we are headed in the wrong direction this paints a bad picture.
It wouldn't? How do you figure? Bush had to have the same number of secuity detail, same staff, same transportation if he went to Crawford, Spain, Frankfurt, Maine, or anyone else. How much fuel is spent on AF1 for 50 trips from DC to Texas, and one trip to Spain or Hawaii?
All this does is give the Right more fuel to put on the fire against Obama. The economy was spirally downward in 2007 and 2008, and no one care how many time Bush went to his little ranch in Texas. You just have this mental picture that if you travel overseas, you immediately think it costs more than just traveling within the Cntinental US. I just had a week trip from San Antonio to El Paso, and after airfare, car rental, hotel, and food, I spent over $1,300. I have to go to Dublin for a week later this month, and airfare, hotel, and car rental is costing me $1400. Only difference is I haven't factored the food in yet. But I'm staying in a nice B&B, so my breakfast is already covered.
 
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