Lets Get to Know McCain.

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2644789
Not sure about anyone else, but the 100's if not 1000's of pages dedicated to Obama and the same old bullet points are getting old and it's time we shift gears and see what McCain is all about. I can't wait to see the mob come running to defend a candidate that makes them sick...well, not as sick as the "radical".
Here are a few fun facts:
10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don’t): (This is from my friends at MoveOn.org)
1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1
2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”2
3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
4. McCain opposes a woman’s right to choose. He said, “I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”4
5. The Children’s Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children’s health care bill last year, then defended Bush’s veto of the bill.5
6. He’s one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a “second job” and skip their vacations.6
7. Many of McCain’s fellow Republican senators say he’s too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He’s erratic. He’s hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”7
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8
9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his “spiritual guide,” Rod Parsley, believes America’s founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a “false religion.” McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church “the Antichrist” and a “false cult.”9
10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10
Don't forget since he is sooo old, he is probably a typical white person, which means racist. McCain hates black people, and mexicans too.
Mr. Wish he was T,
McCain has his problems, but posting how he is against leftist political positions like murder of innocent babies, treefugging, making terrorists talk, a bill increasing the schip qualification age to 25 (I'm sorry 18-25 means NOT KIDS), your posts are filled with salacious inaccurate information and language.
If you want to discuss the problems with McCain, why not echo his views on tax cuts when bush passed them, maybe him planning a defection from the Republican party, his currently stated views on treefugging, (say it outloud to get the joke) and his other more liberal tendencies.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2645179
So, don't expect to get to much out of any of these people, ESPECIALLY when you use www.MoveOn.org as your source.
lol, well doesn't soros fund moveon.org? You are getting your information from THE liberal horse. You gripe at us from getting our info from a relatively neutral fox news (who at least has show hosts who don't claim to be non-partisian.) Then get it from one of the biggest lib non profit org around, come on.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2645179
To whomever started this thread.
I have tried on several occasions to bring to light the fact that the presumptive Republican candidate has plenty of things on his side of the aisle that should cause "concern" for not only democrats, but especially republicans.
However, understand you are dealing with a forum that is 50% republican, 25% "quasi-republican", 10% libertarian, 5% "I could care less", and 10% democrat.
So, don't expect to get to much out of any of these people, ESPECIALLY when you use www.MoveOn.org as your source.
The best way to make a point, is to find some conservative point of view that brings these things to light. That being said, this is a good start...
Best of luck...
I think if you review the threads going back to last year you will find that the vast majority of those "supporting" McCain now had a different horse in the Republican primary. Few if any here were exited about McCain. It's just having a choice between McCain and Obama is seen as having a hit man ask you head or gut and if you choose gut you get a 30 second head start. Most will take the 30 seconds and vote for McCain.
 

salty blues

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2644789
Not sure about anyone else, but the 100's if not 1000's of pages dedicated to Obama and the same old bullet points are getting old and it's time we shift gears and see what McCain is all about. I can't wait to see the mob come running to defend a candidate that makes them sick...well, not as sick as the "radical".
Here are a few fun facts:
10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don’t): (This is from my friends at MoveOn.org)
1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1
2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”2
3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
4. McCain opposes a woman’s right to choose. He said, “I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”4
5. The Children’s Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children’s health care bill last year, then defended Bush’s veto of the bill.5
6. He’s one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a “second job” and skip their vacations.6
7. Many of McCain’s fellow Republican senators say he’s too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He’s erratic. He’s hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”7
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8
9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his “spiritual guide,” Rod Parsley, believes America’s founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a “false religion.” McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church “the Antichrist” and a “false cult.”9
10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10
OK, so what's your point?
 

salty blues

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2645148
I can't see how anybody could vote for McCain given the current direction of our United States... A vote for him is an extention of the previous administration...which given the last 7+ years has been horrendous. I'm still reading about Katrina and how people are still living under bridges and that $80 milllion worth of relief goods for Katrina victims stayed in a warehouse for 2 years and than was given to other agencies that had nothing to do with Katrina... Its just been bad and we are for sure worse off... mounting debt, economic crisis, a bad war, etc..etc... We need a new direction and I can't put my trust in McCain... I've listened to him speak and it doesn't leave me optimistic that his solutions (or lack thereof) will change anything.
Who is the real John McCain... we certainly don't know... he is very closed when it comes to his personal thoughts and views of things such as religion.
If you are so dang worried about somebody in freakin' New Orleans living under a bridge, why don't you go down there and find them and invite them to come live in your house.
I am sick to death of hearing people blame George Bush for Katrina and frankly I am sick to death of hearing about New Orleans and their problems.
 

darthtang aw

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1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1
Ok, let's start here. And feel free to respond back I would like to debate each one of these points. A senator is an elected representation of the region he is from. He is suppossed to vote and speak for the people whom elected him. With that said Arizona voted overwhelmingly against a King Holiday. McCain voted as he should as a representative for the people whom elected him. He did his job. You may disagree with it, fine, but he was representing his constituants as a senator SHOULD. Not vote against what your constituents want. So by casting his vote as he had, he did his job and represented Arizona and their wants.
A senator is suppossed to vote as the people that elect him desire and represent them. He did this. So you fault him for doing his job?
I will wait for your rebuttal.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2645528
1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1
Ok, let's start here. And feel free to respond back I would like to debate each one of these points. A senator is an elected representation of the region he is from. He is suppossed to vote and speak for the people whom elected him. With that said Arizona voted overwhelmingly against a King Holiday. McCain voted as he should as a representative for the people whom elected him. He did his job. You may disagree with it, fine, but he was representing his constituants as a senator SHOULD. Not vote against what your constituents want. So by casting his vote as he had, he did his job and represented Arizona and their wants.
A senator is suppossed to vote as the people that elect him desire and represent them. He did this. So you fault him for doing his job?
I will wait for your rebuttal.
But using that same argument, once could have said we should have pulled out of iraq when the capricious public opinion decided, based on salacious reporting, that they no longer wanted to be in Iraq.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2645554
But using that same argument, once could have said we should have pulled out of iraq when the capricious public opinion decided, based on salacious reporting, that they no longer wanted to be in Iraq.
One could possibly argue that, however the mood of the war is based off polling for the most part. One copuld argue the huge democratic switch in the house reflects war views yet those representatives have therefore failed in their job to oppose this war and bring the troops home as their constituents desire.. .....This was an actual vote held in Arizona regarding the holiday. Therefore based off voting McCain cast his ballot as Arizona desired.
This is what every elected official is suppossed to do. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2645616
One could possibly argue that, however the mood of the war is based off polling for the most part. One copuld argue the huge democratic switch in the house reflects war views yet those representatives have therefore failed in their job to oppose this war and bring the troops home as their constituents desire.. .....This was an actual vote held in Arizona regarding the holiday. Therefore based off voting McCain cast his ballot as Arizona desired.
This is what every elected official is suppossed to do. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
You could also argue the switch was based on the displeasured base of the republican party not supporting the republican party because their inaction on conservative issues... Not the "mandate" that pelosi and others claimed to have.
 

jmick

Active Member
Wow, this thread hasn't been locked or deleted yet what a surprise! Anyway, thought I'd throw up some more info on our favorite straight talker.
What does everyone think about Phil Gramm who is McCain’s “economic guru” and is the man responsible for the housing bust and Enron loophole?
You also have to love Doug Goodyear, who was the lobbyist working for McCain who was a mole for the military dictators of Burma.
Also, what do you all think about his voting record when it comes to veteran benefits?
In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.
September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.
July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.
March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.
February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.
June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.
May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.
October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2645669
What does everyone think about Phil Gramm who is McCain’s “economic guru” and is the man responsible for the housing bust and Enron loophole?
I'd just like to point out you've been asked specific questions by darth, which were dismissed or avoided because.
Now lets consider this statement. This from what I can tell is based off of this website. http://economistsview.typepad.com/ec...sview/2008/03/ A blog from a leftist. Ok that is fine, because he is linking to an actual article to refer to his post. Now this is where it really breaks down. He links to a tabloid style periodical, that is about as accurate as the rolling stones. (this equates someone was it rylan who used playboy as source of political information) Seriously, I've might as well just link to hannity. Because at least he says he is biased, instead of pretending to be a neutral observer. Now lets go into the topic. I'm going to choose the economist from A&M vs a "historian" when it comes to economic stuff.
Don't get me wrong McCain is an absolute idiot when it comes to Economics. But that is because he sounds more like the libs then conservatives, when it comes to solutions, controls don't have and have never worked.
 

reefraff

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God bless senator McCain for having sense enough to vote against wastefull spending and his realization that despite the fact he opposed bushes tax cut plan repealing it would crush our economy.
Too bad Obama has been so influence by marxists his whole life that he doesn't understand the concept of self reliance and personal responsability.
 

triga22

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I have had it with all of these political threads. There is at least one of them created each day about the same stuff. Does this not get old to all of you? Does it really matter what other people think, if your a democrat good for you, if your a republican good for you, if your a libertarian good for you. One of these threads against McCain, against Obama is enough.
But then again this post will get bashed and then it will cause this to get locked just like every other one. All 1,500 of them.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2645703
I'd just like to point out you've been asked specific questions by darth, which were dismissed or avoided because.
Now lets consider this statement. This from what I can tell is based off of this website. http://economistsview.typepad.com/ec...sview/2008/03/ A blog from a leftist. Ok that is fine, because he is linking to an actual article to refer to his post. Now this is where it really breaks down. He links to a tabloid style periodical, that is about as accurate as the rolling stones. (this equates someone was it rylan who used playboy as source of political information) Seriously, I've might as well just link to hannity. Because at least he says he is biased, instead of pretending to be a neutral observer. Now lets go into the topic. I'm going to choose the economist from A&M vs a "historian" when it comes to economic stuff.
Don't get me wrong McCain is an absolute idiot when it comes to Economics. But that is because he sounds more like the libs then conservatives, when it comes to solutions, controls don't have and have never worked.

I'm not sure about you guys, but I work and don't have time to sit on a computer all day. I will answer what I can when I have time, which should be tonight.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by TriGa22
http:///forum/post/2645718
I have had it with all of these political threads. There is at least one of them created each day about the same stuff. Does this not get old to all of you? Does it really matter what other people think, if your a democrat good for you, if your a republican good for you, if your a libertarian good for you. One of these threads against McCain, against Obama is enough.
But then again this post will get bashed and then it will cause this to get locked just like every other one. All 1,500 of them.
I have had it with baseball as well. You know what? I don't watch the games, I don't read baseball related stuff, and I definitely don't click links baseball related because I am sick of and dislike baseball.
Jmick you didn't respond, so I take it you agree with how he voted and why and that it should not be held against him....If so, just say yes and I will move on to the next point you brought up. I am only going to do this one point at a time, this way you can't deflect and avoid that which you bring to light and get called on.;....
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2645750
I'm not sure about you guys, but I work and don't have time to sit on a computer all day. I will answer what I can when I have time, which should be tonight.
I do as well.....so my return response and check back will be in about 8 hours from now, should give you sufficient time....lol
 
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