rebelprettyboy
Active Member
If they sell a lot of stuff it means they have to know how to frag properly and have some nice systems. I know SCOTTdl tank is dang amazing!
Lets make those EXTREMELY nice expensive zoo's affordable!!!! =)
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shaun larlee
Member
Im in too....
reefforbrains
Active Member
tis a great ides but always beware when money is involved how people expectations need to be crystal clear. The pecking order and methodology for getting results should be hammered out BEFORE you spend the money.
So to whomever is nominated and accepts the chair position please accept my petition for involvment once the details are hammered out.
-RFB
So to whomever is nominated and accepts the chair position please accept my petition for involvment once the details are hammered out.
-RFB
reefkprz
Active Member
I got a pm to check this thread out. neat Idea guys and gals. a few things before I say yay or nay to QBing the zoas, and thoughts for someone else should you guys decide on someone else.
1 keep in mind the more people the longer it will take to grow enough for everybody
2 results wont be instant, even with just a few people, a rare zoa generally grows fairly slow (by comparison) so you'll put the money out there then have to wait quite a while to get your piece.
3 there is always the chance of mishaps, bad arrival, predation (I QT shouldnt be a problem), tank crahses, etcetera. things can go wrong for anyone.
4 QB needs to be home when the frag arrives AKA gotta spend the extra on next day air and saturday arrival if the QB isnt going to be home during the week, I think its a good precaution for expensive corals. its the only way to gaurantee live arrival with 99% of the sellers out there. that way if something goes wrong in transit a replacement frag is gauranteed.
5 everyone has to pay for their own shipping costs to recieve their frag, I can provide boxes and styrofoam insulation thats not a problem (its only 5$ for a sheet of foam) shipping out will be method of recievers choice.
6 Everyone needs to agree on what zoa 100% (except me if I'm QBing, I dont care what it is as long as you guys wind up happy)
7 if I am to do this I'll buy the biggest frag possible with the amount provided, and use any excess towards shipping materials, salt etc.
thats about all I can think of for now, if you guys want me to do it, I'm willing.
I do have paypal so I can recieve money for the purchase through there, and then pay with paypal, so the purchase would be protected through paypal buyers protection. (dont forget when you send the QB money pay pal is going to take a percentage) so who ever gets the money isnt getting 10$ if thats how much you chip in, they are only getting 9 and change (or something like that I cant remember exactly how much they take per transaction).
think it over hash it out amongst yourselves, let me know what you decide. (prefferably via PM so I dont miss the final response/descision)
1 keep in mind the more people the longer it will take to grow enough for everybody
2 results wont be instant, even with just a few people, a rare zoa generally grows fairly slow (by comparison) so you'll put the money out there then have to wait quite a while to get your piece.
3 there is always the chance of mishaps, bad arrival, predation (I QT shouldnt be a problem), tank crahses, etcetera. things can go wrong for anyone.
4 QB needs to be home when the frag arrives AKA gotta spend the extra on next day air and saturday arrival if the QB isnt going to be home during the week, I think its a good precaution for expensive corals. its the only way to gaurantee live arrival with 99% of the sellers out there. that way if something goes wrong in transit a replacement frag is gauranteed.
5 everyone has to pay for their own shipping costs to recieve their frag, I can provide boxes and styrofoam insulation thats not a problem (its only 5$ for a sheet of foam) shipping out will be method of recievers choice.
6 Everyone needs to agree on what zoa 100% (except me if I'm QBing, I dont care what it is as long as you guys wind up happy)
7 if I am to do this I'll buy the biggest frag possible with the amount provided, and use any excess towards shipping materials, salt etc.
thats about all I can think of for now, if you guys want me to do it, I'm willing.
I do have paypal so I can recieve money for the purchase through there, and then pay with paypal, so the purchase would be protected through paypal buyers protection. (dont forget when you send the QB money pay pal is going to take a percentage) so who ever gets the money isnt getting 10$ if thats how much you chip in, they are only getting 9 and change (or something like that I cant remember exactly how much they take per transaction).
think it over hash it out amongst yourselves, let me know what you decide. (prefferably via PM so I dont miss the final response/descision)
perfectdark
Active Member
Im not saying there are no other capable parties out there. But, if ReefKPR is willing he is my pick to grow these bad boys.
I agree 100% with the above all details need to be hashed out. All interested parties need to be in agreeance and some sort of list needs to be drawn up where your name goes on as a first come first serve basis. Prices may increase should materials need to be purchased and who ever makes these purchases would need to show documentation of said purchase and we would split payments. A spread sheet of some type to show the expenses and final costs, that can be divided by all the interested parties. Oh and if it is paypal, its +3% on all purchases to cover their piece.
I still believe that no matter what the cost $ .05 for a sheet of foam...etc. Is not part of the QB's responsibility, as the purchasers we need to make sure he has everything he needs. And again I believe that the QB makes sure he gets a free pick of the stock as well.
I agree 100% with the above all details need to be hashed out. All interested parties need to be in agreeance and some sort of list needs to be drawn up where your name goes on as a first come first serve basis. Prices may increase should materials need to be purchased and who ever makes these purchases would need to show documentation of said purchase and we would split payments. A spread sheet of some type to show the expenses and final costs, that can be divided by all the interested parties. Oh and if it is paypal, its +3% on all purchases to cover their piece.
I still believe that no matter what the cost $ .05 for a sheet of foam...etc. Is not part of the QB's responsibility, as the purchasers we need to make sure he has everything he needs. And again I believe that the QB makes sure he gets a free pick of the stock as well.
whyamisofl
Active Member
I also agree on ReefkprZ being the QB.
As far as the order goes, how do we plan that out? If everyone donates $10, then how does it get split up? I think it would be tough to do a "I paid first" type thing, as not everyone is on the computer all day.....and that shouldn't be a bad thing.
Darth Maul
Sopranos
Orange Envy
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
As far as the order goes, how do we plan that out? If everyone donates $10, then how does it get split up? I think it would be tough to do a "I paid first" type thing, as not everyone is on the computer all day.....and that shouldn't be a bad thing.
Darth Maul
Sopranos
Orange Envy
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
scopus tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by PerfectDark
http:///forum/post/2625255
Im not saying there are no other capable parties out there. But, if ReefKPR is willing he is my pick to grow these bad boys.
I agree 100% with the above all details need to be hashed out. All interested parties need to be in agreeance and some sort of list needs to be drawn up where your name goes on as a first come first serve basis. Prices may increase should materials need to be purchased and who ever makes these purchases would need to show documentation of said purchase and we would split payments. A spread sheet of some type to show the expenses and final costs, that can be divided by all the interested parties. Oh and if it is paypal, its +3% on all purchases to cover their piece.
I still believe that no matter what the cost $ .05 for a sheet of foam...etc. Is not part of the QB's responsibility, as the purchasers we need to make sure he has everything he needs. And again I believe that the QB makes sure he gets a free pick of the stock as well.
Agree. In addition to the person who will be growing the frags, we'll need someone to organize this from the front end (i.e. list of names, money donated, selection of zoa frag, etc.). Anybody want to be in charge?
http:///forum/post/2625255
Im not saying there are no other capable parties out there. But, if ReefKPR is willing he is my pick to grow these bad boys.
I agree 100% with the above all details need to be hashed out. All interested parties need to be in agreeance and some sort of list needs to be drawn up where your name goes on as a first come first serve basis. Prices may increase should materials need to be purchased and who ever makes these purchases would need to show documentation of said purchase and we would split payments. A spread sheet of some type to show the expenses and final costs, that can be divided by all the interested parties. Oh and if it is paypal, its +3% on all purchases to cover their piece.
I still believe that no matter what the cost $ .05 for a sheet of foam...etc. Is not part of the QB's responsibility, as the purchasers we need to make sure he has everything he needs. And again I believe that the QB makes sure he gets a free pick of the stock as well.
Agree. In addition to the person who will be growing the frags, we'll need someone to organize this from the front end (i.e. list of names, money donated, selection of zoa frag, etc.). Anybody want to be in charge?
rebelprettyboy
Active Member
^^^^Perfect Dark?^^^^ lol
What if no one can agree on a zoa? Would you be willing to grow out mutplie rare zoas?
For instance lets say I wanted armaggedon zoas (8 other people chipped in with me on those) - so you would grow those?
9 people wanted sopranos so they all chipped in on those
5 people wanted orange envy's? Do you get what im saying?
What if no one can agree on a zoa? Would you be willing to grow out mutplie rare zoas?
For instance lets say I wanted armaggedon zoas (8 other people chipped in with me on those) - so you would grow those?
9 people wanted sopranos so they all chipped in on those
5 people wanted orange envy's? Do you get what im saying?
perfectdark
Active Member
Originally Posted by whyamisofl
http:///forum/post/2625374
I also agree on ReefkprZ being the QB.
As far as the order goes, how do we plan that out? If everyone donates $10, then how does it get split up? I think it would be tough to do a "I paid first" type thing, as not everyone is on the computer all day.....and that shouldn't be a bad thing.
Darth Maul
Sopranos
Orange Envy
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
First IMO, There should be an elected, suggested or volunteered front man for handling logistics. But lets use an example for now, So there are a list of people interested. Say you use this thread as the list starter. The OP would be first on the list, so on and so forth. IMO There would need to be an established time limit on getting onto this list, too. Maybe to make it official a new post to officially start collecting names. IMO the OP With the idea gets bumped to the top. Now there would need to be a discussion among the group of what to get first (this is what could take a while if everyone doesnt agree) But as an example lets say we all agree on a coral to start. An estimated total cost would then need to be established. Then divided among all the participants. Once this is done all participants would then be required to make payment to the QB who would in turn order the coral. Any added costs missed would be handled by the front man in charge of the logistics of this little project and it would be their job to notify the parties involved about the added costs. The front man IMO is the only one who should talk to the QB. This would keep the confusion down to a minimum. Obviously this is just a rough idea and can be fine tuned but as you can see it can be involved but not impossible.
http:///forum/post/2625374
I also agree on ReefkprZ being the QB.
As far as the order goes, how do we plan that out? If everyone donates $10, then how does it get split up? I think it would be tough to do a "I paid first" type thing, as not everyone is on the computer all day.....and that shouldn't be a bad thing.
Darth Maul
Sopranos
Orange Envy
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
First IMO, There should be an elected, suggested or volunteered front man for handling logistics. But lets use an example for now, So there are a list of people interested. Say you use this thread as the list starter. The OP would be first on the list, so on and so forth. IMO There would need to be an established time limit on getting onto this list, too. Maybe to make it official a new post to officially start collecting names. IMO the OP With the idea gets bumped to the top. Now there would need to be a discussion among the group of what to get first (this is what could take a while if everyone doesnt agree) But as an example lets say we all agree on a coral to start. An estimated total cost would then need to be established. Then divided among all the participants. Once this is done all participants would then be required to make payment to the QB who would in turn order the coral. Any added costs missed would be handled by the front man in charge of the logistics of this little project and it would be their job to notify the parties involved about the added costs. The front man IMO is the only one who should talk to the QB. This would keep the confusion down to a minimum. Obviously this is just a rough idea and can be fine tuned but as you can see it can be involved but not impossible.
bronco300
Active Member
so if indeed things got hashed out and you agree on one polyp...everyone does realize it could take a year for the whole list to be supplied of a polyp of whatever zoo to be choosen?
seems like a great idea, i myself HATE paying so much money for just a couple polyps, but lately i have,lol....but seems like a good idea if everything can be hashed out...like what does happen if the grower has a tank crash...will people need to sign(electronically) something so that whoever grows can't be taken for their money because they had a tank crash etc?
and i agree with perfect there needs to be a main rep for the group so things dont get confused between the 50 people trying to contact the grower to see whats going on.
I know VIPER is excellent at growing frags as well!!
seems like a great idea, i myself HATE paying so much money for just a couple polyps, but lately i have,lol....but seems like a good idea if everything can be hashed out...like what does happen if the grower has a tank crash...will people need to sign(electronically) something so that whoever grows can't be taken for their money because they had a tank crash etc?
and i agree with perfect there needs to be a main rep for the group so things dont get confused between the 50 people trying to contact the grower to see whats going on.
I know VIPER is excellent at growing frags as well!!
whyamisofl
Active Member
Should we start a list of the people that have chimed in so far???
1. FishyGurl
2. Alix2.0
3. Clown4Life
4. Rebelprettyboy
5. PerfectDark
6. joebob7
7. Jeffreyyy
8. iyachtuxivm
9. whyamisofl
10. Clownfish11
11. Scopus Tang
12. mkzimms
13. Shaun Larlee
14. HowardJ
15. MaTT B
16. ReefForBrains
Something like that?? And if you are to join in before the deadline (which we need to come up with soon so that the list doesn't go on for years, HA HA) you just add your number along with your screen name?
I also agree that there should be a head person contacting the QB.....possibly the OP? I would love to head this up....but I don't have MS Excel on this computer
1. FishyGurl
2. Alix2.0
3. Clown4Life
4. Rebelprettyboy
5. PerfectDark
6. joebob7
7. Jeffreyyy
8. iyachtuxivm
9. whyamisofl
10. Clownfish11
11. Scopus Tang
12. mkzimms
13. Shaun Larlee
14. HowardJ
15. MaTT B
16. ReefForBrains
Something like that?? And if you are to join in before the deadline (which we need to come up with soon so that the list doesn't go on for years, HA HA) you just add your number along with your screen name?
I also agree that there should be a head person contacting the QB.....possibly the OP? I would love to head this up....but I don't have MS Excel on this computer
bronco300
Active Member
you know, what about people that already have those type of zoos? why not if someone has a zoo everyone is looking for, let that person grow the zoos out if they agree to, and then just agreee on a lowest price...then it wouldnt be up to all one person to grow them out(relieves a bit of pressure on them)...that make sense, it would help get a little more zoos going at the same time too, as long as you still have one head person to go from the group to growers
jpc763
Active Member
I want in on this! Please!
Another thing to think about is that we limit the list size and then divide the polyps when there is enough for everyone.
I say this because the last person on the list will wait a *long time* if we keep fragging off each new polyp. Keeping the small colony until there are enough for 20 people (including the QB) would be less time as you would have more polyps budding.
Just a thought.
So...
17) JPC763
Another thing to think about is that we limit the list size and then divide the polyps when there is enough for everyone.
I say this because the last person on the list will wait a *long time* if we keep fragging off each new polyp. Keeping the small colony until there are enough for 20 people (including the QB) would be less time as you would have more polyps budding.
Just a thought.
So...
17) JPC763
scopus tang
Active Member
Guess I want to ask, how may polyps are we talking? If you're only getting a single polyp out of the deal that pretty risky. Understand that it takes a while to grow out, and that some of these expensive ones are rare and hard to come by, but growing to the point of two or even three polyps per person is going to increase the likelyhood that you end up with at least one polyp that survives
.
BTW, I'm good with reefkprZ QBing this thing for us.
BTW, I'm good with reefkprZ QBing this thing for us.
clown4life
Member
I am still in. yes !
rebelprettyboy
Active Member
ReefKPrZ or Viper. Dont know where he is though. They should both do it with diff rare zoas and see who can grow them the fastest
bronco300
Active Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2625548
Guess I want to ask, how may polyps are we talking? If you're only getting a single polyp out of the deal that pretty risky. Understand that it takes a while to grow out, and that some of these expensive ones are rare and hard to come by, but growing to the point of two or even three polyps per person is going to increase the likelyhood that you end up with at least one polyp that survives
.
BTW, I'm good with reefkprZ QBing this thing for us.
and i guess that after you get a few different morphs, you end up spending the same as if you went somewhere and bought 10 at the same time and got free shipping? when you get one polyp shipments, one polyp, one polyp..if more polyps on every frag it could take a couple years depending on how long the list is
http:///forum/post/2625548
Guess I want to ask, how may polyps are we talking? If you're only getting a single polyp out of the deal that pretty risky. Understand that it takes a while to grow out, and that some of these expensive ones are rare and hard to come by, but growing to the point of two or even three polyps per person is going to increase the likelyhood that you end up with at least one polyp that survives
BTW, I'm good with reefkprZ QBing this thing for us.
and i guess that after you get a few different morphs, you end up spending the same as if you went somewhere and bought 10 at the same time and got free shipping? when you get one polyp shipments, one polyp, one polyp..if more polyps on every frag it could take a couple years depending on how long the list is
cowfishrule
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bronco300
http:///forum/post/2625513
you know, what about people that already have those type of zoos? why not if someone has a zoo everyone is looking for, let that person grow the zoos out if they agree to, and then just agreee on a lowest price...then it wouldnt be up to all one person to grow them out(relieves a bit of pressure on them)...that make sense, it would help get a little more zoos going at the same time too, as long as you still have one head person to go from the group to growers
multiple morphs, multiple growers, multiple logistics people, multiple lists.
easy to keep them seperate.
so, if reefpz (whatever his name is) grows one thing, maybe viper or reno or somebody can grow something else.
if you can do one, you can do 5. using excel makes all of the retartedly easy.
http:///forum/post/2625513
you know, what about people that already have those type of zoos? why not if someone has a zoo everyone is looking for, let that person grow the zoos out if they agree to, and then just agreee on a lowest price...then it wouldnt be up to all one person to grow them out(relieves a bit of pressure on them)...that make sense, it would help get a little more zoos going at the same time too, as long as you still have one head person to go from the group to growers
multiple morphs, multiple growers, multiple logistics people, multiple lists.
easy to keep them seperate.
so, if reefpz (whatever his name is) grows one thing, maybe viper or reno or somebody can grow something else.
if you can do one, you can do 5. using excel makes all of the retartedly easy.