Lets make those EXTREMELY nice expensive zoo's affordable!!!! =)

[cowfishrule]

its the RZA (pronounced RIZZA). Rare Zoo Assoc.
example:
if you want in, its $10 per person per morph to enter.
set up a public poll with 10 or 15 expensive morphs (whatever the limit is).
the poll is voted on and the top 5 or so are used.
anything less than 10-12 participants will not be harvested at this time.
multi choice poll (public) shows what people are interested in, and reserves your spot in line.
those top 5 or so are purchased, and you guys are underway.

 

[whyamisofl]

Originally Posted by Bronco300
http:///forum/post/2625513
you know, what about people that already have those type of zoos? why not if someone has a zoo everyone is looking for, let that person grow the zoos out if they agree to, and then just agreee on a lowest price...then it wouldnt be up to all one person to grow them out(relieves a bit of pressure on them)...that make sense, it would help get a little more zoos going at the same time too, as long as you still have one head person to go from the group to growers
A. The person that has already forked over gobs of money to buy them initially, then has to agree on a price.
B. Finding someone that has these expensive/rare pieces.

 

[whyamisofl]

These are the rarities that I am interested in -
Darth Maul
Sopranos
Orange Envy
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
Blood Rain

 

[bronco300]

now that i think more about it.....wouldnt it be smarter for whoever wants to grow for people to just get a compiled list of people...and once he has a frag ready go through the list, but the grower himself pays for the inital frag, sets a very cheap price for the frags grown out, and goes from there...then it would make that persson growing not liable for all that money holding for people waiting on frags...and i can see alot of people getting imaptient when someone thinks maybe a couple months and it ends up being a year to get a frag...but the person waiting would not be out of money if anything happened to the tank, and the grower would not be liable for anyones money or if a tank crashes or elsewise....but can still have a list of everyone that wants that certain morph...so basically it owuld make frags cheaper for everyone, but would hold no one respeonsible for other peoples money,etc....if his/her tanks crashes, or the original morph dies then thats that, make a contact to the head person and he can send a mass email or something instead all a sudden there is everyones money that paid for a frag that will no longer get one.....but it would require the grower to be willing to put up front costs..or maybe it could be the grower and the first 5 on the list or something(then it would cut the cost for the grower, and the first 5 could get them fairly decent time frame(maybe not..but still better than have 50 people paying and waiting years i think)...and the first 5 would not always be the same first 5(minus the grower if he is doing it again)...i just dont see a list of 50 people all paying $5-10 for it and then for the next 130 weeks you have people asking how the frags are because the now have money directly involved...and i assume a lot of people would want in the list if it indeed works...I don't know..does that make sense? not trying to be negative by any means cause its a great idea, i would just hate to see someone get taken advantage of because they(like reefkp or viper) say they'll grow it out, then someone gets on their case because they gave them money,etc....just ideas out there...may work, may not, but ideas nontheless

 

[whyamisofl]

Could always keep the grower "confidential". Have the main person be the only contact with the "secret" grower......that way no one is asked about the growing process.
I don't agree with the grower having to fork over the money initially. BUT, I think that we are all taking a gamble, and for a $100 frag that is only going to cost me $10, I am willing to take that gamble.
Maybe have 25 people on the each list of zoa, each getting 2-3 frags. That way if someone is #23 on zoa A, they might be able to catch the line and be #4 on zoa D. That way, they don't have to wait forever to recoup the money that already put on the table.
OR, have the list 1-25 for zoa A, 25-1 for zoa B? I dunno.....just a thought.
All I know is that I am extremely excited to have this going on and would like to start ASAP!!!

 

[clown4life]

Originally Posted by Bronco300
http:///forum/post/2625666
now that i think more about it.....wouldnt it be smarter for whoever wants to grow for people to just get a compiled list of people...and once he has a frag ready go through the list, but the grower himself pays for the inital frag, sets a very cheap price for the frags grown out, and goes from there...then it would make that persson growing not liable for all that money holding for people waiting on frags...and i can see alot of people getting imaptient when someone thinks maybe a couple months and it ends up being a year to get a frag...but the person waiting would not be out of money if anything happened to the tank, and the grower would not be liable for anyones money or if a tank crashes or elsewise....but can still have a list of everyone that wants that certain morph...so basically it owuld make frags cheaper for everyone, but would hold no one respeonsible for other peoples money,etc....if his/her tanks crashes, or the original morph dies then thats that, make a contact to the head person and he can send a mass email or something instead all a sudden there is everyones money that paid for a frag that will no longer get one.....but it would require the grower to be willing to put up front costs..or maybe it could be the grower and the first 5 on the list or something(then it would cut the cost for the grower, and the first 5 could get them fairly decent time frame(maybe not..but still better than have 50 people paying and waiting years i think)...and the first 5 would not always be the same first 5(minus the grower if he is doing it again)...i just dont see a list of 50 people all paying $5-10 for it and then for the next 130 weeks you have people asking how the frags are because the now have money directly involved...and i assume a lot of people would want in the list if it indeed works...I don't know..does that make sense? not trying to be negative by any means cause its a great idea, i would just hate to see someone get taken advantage of because they(like reefkp or viper) say they'll grow it out, then someone gets on their case because they gave them money,etc....just ideas out there...may work, may not, but ideas nontheless
Sounds good to me

 

[jpc763]

OK, I think we are trying to make it more difficult than it needs to be.
If someone decides to arrange a group buy a rare zoo frag @ $50 per polyp plus $40 shipping. They limit the number of people to 10 and buy a 2 polyp frag.
Those 10 people put in $14 each and when the frag is ready, they pay to get a 2-3 polyp frag shipped to them. If the frag dies, they are only out $14. Not a real big deal.
If that was the way someone set this up, I would be willing to risk the initial $14 and wait however long necessary to get mine.
J

 

[alix2.0]

i really like this idea, if it works out maybe we could try it with other semi expensive / hard to get frags too.
the most important thing is to get a VERY responsible QB. i trust reefkprz's integrity and that of many others on this site, but still, all someone would have to do is recieve the money and log out and we'd never hear from them or our $100 again.

 

[bronco300]

so when you list it to 25 people on one list, will it be a they cant sign up on the next list to get the others that want some too can get on that list?

 

[alix2.0]

it would take some major organization, but it would be cool if we had multiple frags, like 1 buy a month, so we wouldnt have to wait a year between getting frags.
also, i think that the people who do get the frags should continue to grow them out and sell them on here for a reduced price, you know, share the wealth. i mean, they DID only get them for about $20.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2625693
i really like this idea, if it works out maybe we could try it with other semi expensive / hard to get frags too.
the most important thing is to get a VERY responsible QB. i trust reefkprz's integrity and that of many others on this site, but still, all someone would have to do is recieve the money and log out and we'd never hear from them or our $100 again.
Life is a gamble, just place your bets wisely... I'm sure there are trustworthy people on this site that can be identified by previous transactions etc. I just hope you all know how LONG it will take to get a return on your investment. A two polyp frag depending on the species could easily take a year to pump out enough frags for 15-20 people.

 

[bronco300]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2625707
it would take some major organization, but it would be cool if we had multiple frags, like 1 buy a month, so we wouldnt have to wait a year between getting frags.
also, i think that the people who do get the frags should continue to grow them out and sell them on here for a reduced price, you know, share the wealth. i mean, they DID only get them for about $20.
but if this does work,there will be hundreds probably wanting in on thise...unless there are a lot of growers out there on the list i'm guessing what, maybe 5 polyps right now or so...it'd have to be a year or more to get through the whole list of people wanting to get a great deal like this..once there were a lot of people growing yea that could work as well

 

[clown4life]

Originally Posted by jpc763
http:///forum/post/2625685
OK, I think we are trying to make it more difficult than it needs to be.
If someone decides to arrange a group buy a rare zoo frag @ $50 per polyp plus $40 shipping. They limit the number of people to 10 and buy a 2 polyp frag.
Those 10 people put in $14 each and when the frag is ready, they pay to get a 2-3 polyp frag shipped to them. If the frag dies, they are only out $14. Not a real big deal.
If that was the way someone set this up, I would be willing to risk the initial $14 and wait however long necessary to get mine.
J
well also the 14 +shippping but I get what you are saying

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by Bronco300
http:///forum/post/2625666
now that i think more about it.....wouldnt it be smarter for whoever wants to grow for people to just get a compiled list of people...and once he has a frag ready go through the list, but the grower himself pays for the inital frag, sets a very cheap price for the frags grown out, and goes from there...then it would make that persson growing not liable for all that money holding for people waiting on frags...and i can see alot of people getting imaptient when someone thinks maybe a couple months and it ends up being a year to get a frag...but the person waiting would not be out of money if anything happened to the tank, and the grower would not be liable for anyones money or if a tank crashes or elsewise....but can still have a list of everyone that wants that certain morph...so basically it owuld make frags cheaper for everyone, but would hold no one respeonsible for other peoples money,etc....if his/her tanks crashes, or the original morph dies then thats that, make a contact to the head person and he can send a mass email or something instead all a sudden there is everyones money that paid for a frag that will no longer get one.....but it would require the grower to be willing to put up front costs..or maybe it could be the grower and the first 5 on the list or something(then it would cut the cost for the grower, and the first 5 could get them fairly decent time frame(maybe not..but still better than have 50 people paying and waiting years i think)...and the first 5 would not always be the same first 5(minus the grower if he is doing it again)...i just dont see a list of 50 people all paying $5-10 for it and then for the next 130 weeks you have people asking how the frags are because the now have money directly involved...and i assume a lot of people would want in the list if it indeed works...I don't know..does that make sense? not trying to be negative by any means cause its a great idea, i would just hate to see someone get taken advantage of because they(like reefkp or viper) say they'll grow it out, then someone gets on their case because they gave them money,etc....just ideas out there...may work, may not, but ideas nontheless
Bronco, the theory here is good, but I don't think its going to work. Your asking for someone to invest money, take the time and trouble to grow out frags, and then turn around and sell them for a very cheap price. Why would they agree to that, when they can do the exact same thing and sell them for the expensive price they payed for them in the first place?
Originally Posted by jpc763
http:///forum/post/2625685
OK, I think we are trying to make it more difficult than it needs to be.
If someone decides to arrange a group buy a rare zoo frag @ $50 per polyp plus $40 shipping. They limit the number of people to 10 and buy a 2 polyp frag.
Those 10 people put in $14 each and when the frag is ready, they pay to get a 2-3 polyp frag shipped to them. If the frag dies, they are only out $14. Not a real big deal.
If that was the way someone set this up, I would be willing to risk the initial $14 and wait however long necessary to get mine.
J
I like this idea. Limit it to 10 buyers per frag, but I recommend that we invest enough to insure a 3 polyp frag minimum to begin (so price may vary per person per frag). Then, as Alix2.0 suggested, as each person get their individual frag, they agree to continue to offer frags on this site at the same reasonable price per polyp they got theirs for. That way it snowballs and eventually you have lots of people offering the same polyp for a reasonable price. Individuals can invest in as many initial frags as they have interest in and money to spend, until each frag hits ten. Let the QB limit the total number of zoa species s/he is interested in maintaining and fragging.

 

[earnit33]

Count me In!!

 

[bronco300]

Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2625785
Bronco, the theory here is good, but I don't think its going to work. Your asking for someone to invest money, take the time and trouble to grow out frags, and then turn around and sell them for a very cheap price. Why would they agree to that, when they can do the exact same thing and sell them for the expensive price they payed for them in the first place?
because we're here to help each other out with prices, not to gouge on anything we can...ithats why i mentioned maybe the first 5 helping cost...down the road they would still make money selling frags as t hey come...it would just be long term...and it would split the cost a bit better...but it still would relieve some pressure off him to get the frags out asap for the other 10-50 people on the list for that zoo

 

[rebelprettyboy]

I like the idea of having 10-15 people per frags. And getting enough to purchase 3 of the rare zoa frags. Itd help them out by growing big time. Man I cant wait to get this on the road

 

[earnit33]

I'm flexable,maybe a little to trusting,But I hope someone can come up with an Idea that Will help us all out! just my input.

 

[alix2.0]

how are we going to do the frag selection? is it only the ones comitted to buy get a vote? what if someone pays or gets on the list and then they want to back out because their zoa doesnt get picked? let them drop out and add someone on the waiting list or tell them to deal with it?
on the other hand, i do think we should only be letting those participating vote on which frags we buy, because if you arent paying does your choice really matter?

 

[scopus tang]

List as it now stands;
1. FishyGurl
2. Alix2.0
3. Clown4Life
4. Rebelprettyboy
5. PerfectDark
6. joebob7
7. Jeffreyyy
8. iyachtuxivm
9. whyamisofl
10. Clownfish11
11. Scopus Tang
12. mkzimms
13. Shaun Larlee
14. HowardJ
15. MaTT B
16. ReefForBrains
17. Bronco300
18. Jpc763
19. Earnit33
Several others gave input, but as far as I can tell are not on the list.
reefkprZ agreed to QB for at least the initial frags, if we can get all details hammered out. Some people may want in on more than one frag.
If everyone agrees on purchasing a single frag of the desired types, it seems we are perhaps to the point of agreeing on the initial frags.
Also are we limiting this to zoas or are palys included?
I would propose supernova and cherrybombs be added to the aforementioned lists.
Armeggedon
Orange Envy
Soppranos
Bumble Bee Palythoas
Satan's Breath
Darth Maul
Spiderman
Alpha & Omega
Strawberries
Bloodrain
Supernova
Cherrybombs
Lunar Eclipse Palys (I added)
Any others that anybody would like to see on the initial list?