Lord of the Rings
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broncofish
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and if it makes you feel better sam gets to go later....and acording to one of tolkiens lost tales Legolas and Gimli also sail together after traveling middle earth for 100 years together.
overanalyzer
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Originally posted by jkvjl
That does make me feel better I felt that SAM was the true HERO taking the ring to the valcano..
Actually the true heroes are the everyday folks whose friendship binds them together for better or worse and through good and evil. Sam and Frodo - Sam going 3/4 of the last mile with Frodo finishing up. Merry attacking the ring Wraith on the plains so that Aeomer (sp) can slay it so that the dear king's body is not despolied by the evil ring wraith (a hobbit and a woman combine to wipe out the most fearsome force on the battlefield). Pippin rushing to save Faramir from certain death by his crazed father. Gimli swallowing his fear of the road of the dead to follow aragorn. Legolas swallowing his pride and prejudice to fight on @ Helm's deep. Boromir's last stand and the small army of men, elves, dwarves and hobbits who assault Sauron to draw his eye away from mount doom ...... but when you think about it - without Gollum the ring may not have ever been cast into the pit of doom.
What an awesome series of books!! If you liked the movies - read the books!
jlem
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Originally posted by overanalyzer
Actually the true heroes are the everyday folks whose friendship binds them together for better or worse and through good and evil.
You really do live up to your screen name
So where the dwarfs that lived in the mines wiped out in the first movie, you never heard much about them. Where the dark riders the seven kings that recieved the 7 rings? There where just so many different nations that kept showing up and then dissapeared. I guess I need to buy an outline that explaines the movies in simple form for simple me
I got the gist of the movie but was lost on the details
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thomas712
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Originally posted by jlem
I got the gist of the movie but was lost on the details
Kinda reminds me of your reef keeping skills
Joking Jlem, just Joking
Really you should read the books, they are classics
cathbad
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Originally posted by jkvjl
To be honest with you I have trouble understanding the movie the book would have me lost..
You have trouble understanding the movies because you have not read the books. There is a lot of information that is not presented and much of it is information that makes the story line flow. Read the books now and keep track of the "Ah ha" moments you have, just start the counting with a lot of paper.
overanalyzer
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Originally posted by jlem
You really do live up to your screen name
Yes well I got the screen name because of my keen analytical skills @ work (had a spread sheet of local resteraunts w/ specials, driving distance and average time to eat ...)
Originally posted by jlem
So where the dwarfs that lived in the mines wiped out in the first movie, you never heard much about them.
They were driven out and some moved to the iron hills - some wandered - the wandering dwarves were the ones who "found" Bilbo Baggins (Frodo's Uncle) and killed Smaug and set up their kingdom under the mountain
Originally posted by jlem
Where the dark riders the seven kings that recieved the 7 rings?
They were the humans who Sauron gave the first rings of power to.
Originally posted by jlem
There where just so many different nations that kept showing up and then dissapeared.
Yes and even in the book they start flowing together quickly. Especially since Sauron has human vassals (who show up on the elephants) and also the mercenary hordes he hires to come up river and attack Gondor from that direction (until Aragorn lines up the sleeping dead to fulfill their bargain). Plus you have three elven kingdoms - Wood Elves (Legolas the Bowman is a wood Elf). The elves of Elrond (his warriors show up @ Helm's deep) and then Galadriel's wood elves. You have the dwarves of the iron hills who are under siege and then you have all the kingdom's of man (the free areas around Bree) You have the Riders of Rohan (the horselords - allies to Gondor). You have the Men of Gondor and then the hill men who do not make an appearance in the movie plus you have all the coastal kingdoms who were contributing to the pirate fleet mentioned above .......
Originally posted by jlem
I guess I need to buy an outline that explaines the movies in simple form for simple me
I got the gist of the movie but was lost on the details
If you enjoyed the movies - seriously - check out the books - more details and I think just as exciting!!
You really do live up to your screen name
Yes well I got the screen name because of my keen analytical skills @ work (had a spread sheet of local resteraunts w/ specials, driving distance and average time to eat ...)
Originally posted by jlem
So where the dwarfs that lived in the mines wiped out in the first movie, you never heard much about them.
They were driven out and some moved to the iron hills - some wandered - the wandering dwarves were the ones who "found" Bilbo Baggins (Frodo's Uncle) and killed Smaug and set up their kingdom under the mountain
Originally posted by jlem
Where the dark riders the seven kings that recieved the 7 rings?
They were the humans who Sauron gave the first rings of power to.
Originally posted by jlem
There where just so many different nations that kept showing up and then dissapeared.
Yes and even in the book they start flowing together quickly. Especially since Sauron has human vassals (who show up on the elephants) and also the mercenary hordes he hires to come up river and attack Gondor from that direction (until Aragorn lines up the sleeping dead to fulfill their bargain). Plus you have three elven kingdoms - Wood Elves (Legolas the Bowman is a wood Elf). The elves of Elrond (his warriors show up @ Helm's deep) and then Galadriel's wood elves. You have the dwarves of the iron hills who are under siege and then you have all the kingdom's of man (the free areas around Bree) You have the Riders of Rohan (the horselords - allies to Gondor). You have the Men of Gondor and then the hill men who do not make an appearance in the movie plus you have all the coastal kingdoms who were contributing to the pirate fleet mentioned above .......
Originally posted by jlem
I guess I need to buy an outline that explaines the movies in simple form for simple me
I got the gist of the movie but was lost on the details
If you enjoyed the movies - seriously - check out the books - more details and I think just as exciting!!
lionfish28
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I hate frodo!
blueberryboomer
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We watched the Return of the King last night, (didn't finish it til 3am) AWESOME! :jumping: All three of the movies are at the top of my favorite list, I watch them often. I have to disagree, about if you read the book you would have understood it, I tried to read the books and could not follow them, I tried several times and was totally lost. It bummed me out, I LOVE TO READ, and I felt like I was really missing out. But I had no problem following the movie. Lisa
polarpooch
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You have trouble understanding the movies because you have not read the books.
I disagree. I have never read the book, but it seemed only a few of the "insider details" really mattered to any of the movies. Like the end of Return of the King...that detail helped me understand the where and the why. Thanks NMReef and Innsmouth for that! Still, I got the general gist of the ending before reading this post, and was quite satisfied when the movie was over.
The films were EXCEPTIONAL in their own right...they are three of my all time favorite movies--and like I said, I never read the book. Even without knowing all the details, it is such a GOOD story!
I disagree. I have never read the book, but it seemed only a few of the "insider details" really mattered to any of the movies. Like the end of Return of the King...that detail helped me understand the where and the why. Thanks NMReef and Innsmouth for that!
Still, I got the general gist of the ending before reading this post, and was quite satisfied when the movie was over. The films were EXCEPTIONAL in their own right...they are three of my all time favorite movies--and like I said, I never read the book. Even without knowing all the details, it is such a GOOD story!
harlequin
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The elves are leaving the world of men to the Island, call it Avalonfor lack of a better name, however the hobbits are not immortal and will die of old age while the elves, who are as far as age goes are immortal already, will continue to be immortal there as well.
The Hobbit was a great book, very simple to read, didnt have a huge amount of background fluff like the trilogy. I had a hard time with the first half of the first book and until just after the big battle in the third one it was relatively good reading and then it bogged down bad and I had to force read the rest of it. I wish the dwarves and elves would have played a bigger role in the final battles, and that Gimli wasnt used as comic relief in the movies. Hopefully in the extended version the Westerners will make an appearance with Sauron's army, they were too cool looking to not even show up in the third movie.
The Hobbit was a great book, very simple to read, didnt have a huge amount of background fluff like the trilogy. I had a hard time with the first half of the first book and until just after the big battle in the third one it was relatively good reading and then it bogged down bad and I had to force read the rest of it. I wish the dwarves and elves would have played a bigger role in the final battles, and that Gimli wasnt used as comic relief in the movies. Hopefully in the extended version the Westerners will make an appearance with Sauron's army, they were too cool looking to not even show up in the third movie.
broncofish
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Originally posted by Harlequin
The elves are leaving the world of men to the Island, call it Avalonfor lack of a better name, however the hobbits are not immortal and will die of old age while the elves, who are as far as age goes are immortal already, will continue to be immortal there as well.
They are sailing to the "undying Lands" where they will not die(hence the name undying lands), and be with thier "gods"(iluvatar etc...) It is the same lands that the numenoreans tried to assult under the council of sauron. It was a priveledge reserved only for the elves and a special blessing for the ring bearers.
Polarpooch, yous should check out the extended editions, then if you read the books it will be like watching an entirely different movie because there are so many little things that people just don't get in the movies because it is full blown tolkien geek speak, and adds about a gazillion more layers of depth to the stories.
mightyoxjuice
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The dark riders were the race of men and actually there were 9 of them.
belothsurf
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READ THE BOOKS!!!! I had read the whole trilogy 3 times by the time I was 15, so it is not hard to follow. Tolkien has a way of writing and describing things, that I think is unequalled. What I think really proves that, is that the movies were as almost exactly as I had imagined it, when I had read the books, years earlier. He has a way of making everyone have the same feeling and vision of what he is writing about. The trilogy should be required reading in school, not boring Charles Dickins. JMO