Marijuana Legalization Bill Approved By Committee

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3213096
Reef, I honestly did not even know that people coke anymore in any great numbers. I think lots of people for whatever reason have addictive personalities and it is just a crap shoot as to what they choose to destroy thier lives with, could be weed, could be coke, could be gambling or even ---. I've known a few people also that where mentally addicted to pot, but if it was not pot, they would have found something else to be obsessed with.
As far as for making it legal, I don't have any problems with it and it would be nice if all the pot enforcement money could be spent on the meth problem instead which is a far worse problem around here.
Fishtaco
Back in the 80 coke was in vogue and people bragged about it and even glorified it's use. Since then it's gone more underground but is still there, it just isn't talked about in certain circles like it once was.
I agree 100% about going after the meth. Coke, weed and heroin combined dont do the harm that crap does.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213112
Interstate commerce clause, just like they regulate the rest of the drugs
I go back to the "define drug" argument. Poppyseed cake cannot get you high, but you will test positive for opiates. Are you seriously arguing that something should be banned for a false positive test? Are you seriously arguing that business should have the right to fire you for impinging on their potential productivity? Why aren't you arguing against prescription drugs which have the same effect? Why aren't you arguing against alcohol consumption? If something is legal, we can ignore the fact that the effects are the same as something illegal?
The interstate commerce clause is a silly argument. What if the "drugs" are produced and consumed legally in State? What if I'm just stupid? Should a corporation be able to fire me 'cuz it takes me too long to grok the process or to understand the instructions? What's "too long?" What if they explain it so poorly it's impossible for anyone to understand?
Again, draw the line...
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3213074
Who cares about physical dependence anyway? Psychological dependence is the main issue in this discussion. If you use pot in order to relieve stress, you WILL become psychologically dependent. You are training your body to cope with a drug.
So what about all the people that use legally prescribed drugs like antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs. They are doing the exact same things that you are describing above and thats ok? The side effects of some these legal drugs are much worse than anything that pot does to you.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3213122
So what about all the people that use legally prescribed drugs like antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs. They are doing the exact same things that you are describing above and thats ok? The side effects of some these legal drugs are much worse than anything that pot does to you.
You don't think all those twinkies and doritos are bad for you

The few times I tried it I never got the munchies.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3213121
I go back to the "define drug" argument. Poppyseed cake cannot get you high, but you will test positive for opiates. Are you seriously arguing that something should be banned for a false positive test? Are you seriously arguing that business should have the right to fire you for impinging on their potential productivity? Why aren't you arguing against prescription drugs which have the same effect? Why aren't you arguing against alcohol consumption? If something is legal, we can ignore the fact that the effects are the same as something illegal?
The interstate commerce clause is a silly argument. What if the "drugs" are produced and consumed legally in State? What if I'm just stupid? Should a corporation be able to fire me 'cuz it takes me too long to grok the process or to understand the instructions? What's "too long?" What if they explain it so poorly it's impossible for anyone to understand?
Again, draw the line...

If the EPA can define CO2 a pollutant do you really think the FDA would have an issue defining a poppy seed a drug? Peyote I believe is a seed, it's controlled, shrooms etc.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213178
You don't think all those twinkies and doritos are bad for you

The few times I tried it I never got the munchies.
LOL! Never really been into twinkies or doritos... Now sour cream and onion potato chips on the other hand....
 
handbanana

handbanana

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3213096
As far as for making it legal, I don't have any problems with it and it would be nice if all the pot enforcement money could be spent on the meth problem instead which is a far worse problem around here.
Fishtaco
+1
Police never found anyone, didnt find my stuff, my car or the two junkies. Just a bunch of brokin meth pipes on my floor.
I SEROUSLY doubt that weed addicts would have even tried to pull something like this off.
So I say worry more about the stuff that turns people into ruthless skumbags.
 
swimmer4uus

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Coming from a county that's one of THE lead growing counties in California. I have grown up with this stuff around the neighborhoods, in the hallways...everything. I personally dispize MJ. I believe the stuff is publically pushed as medical, yet how many other drugs of equal, or greater value to medical practices are out there? I personally can't believe the hype.
Also, I can't compair apples to oranges. If you want to debate MJ, debate the effects, causes, and withdrawls from it. Couple years ago I had a great health class that covered MJ for almost 3 weeks. I believe education is the best deterant, and anyone who would personally use MJ, is taken down a notch in my book.
Blah blah blah, it's a stupid arguement in the long run anyways, because I would rather focus on conservation of our reefs, environments and etc.
my 2 cents...but not all
 
el guapo

el guapo

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Actually I'm a fan of the microwave chimichanga and gator aid. instead of micro waving them you deep fry them .
some Pace salsa and your good to go. You can do some Doritos but its not mandatory.
I would how ever like to point out the misconception that people who smoke marijuan are "lazy pot heads". Case in point one Mr Michael Phelps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Phelps .
Lets point the finger where it belongs. Lazy people are LAZY Just because they smoke pot does not make them Lazy. Motivated people are not lazy and smoking pot does not make them LAZY. Odds are seriously high (no pun intended) that if your a lazy worthless sack of crap your going to stay that way with or with out smoking pot. People get to hung up on what is addictive and whats not. When the truth of the matter is that if you have an addictive personality your can get hooked on anything.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by swimmer4uus
http:///forum/post/3217428
Coming from a county that's one of THE lead growing counties in California. I have grown up with this stuff around the neighborhoods, in the hallways...everything. I personally dispize MJ. I believe the stuff is publically pushed as medical, yet how many other drugs of equal, or greater value to medical practices are out there? I personally can't believe the hype.
Also, I can't compair apples to oranges. If you want to debate MJ, debate the effects, causes, and withdrawls from it. Couple years ago I had a great health class that covered MJ for almost 3 weeks. I believe education is the best deterant, and anyone who would personally use MJ, is taken down a notch in my book.
Blah blah blah, it's a stupid arguement in the long run anyways, because I would rather focus on conservation of our reefs, environments and etc.
my 2 cents...but not all
If you're going to push education as a deterrent perhaps you should check your own spelling and grammar while you're at it.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3217435
Actually I'm a fan of the microwave chimichanga and gator aid. instead of micro waving them you deep fry them .
some Pace salsa and your good to go. You can do some Doritos but its not mandatory.
I would how ever like to point out the misconception that people who smoke marijuan are "lazy pot heads". Case in point one Mr Michael Phelps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Phelps .
Lets point the finger where it belongs. Lazy people are LAZY Just because they smoke pot does not make them Lazy. Motivated people are not lazy and smoking pot does not make them LAZY. Odds are seriously high (no pun intended) that if your a lazy worthless sack of crap your going to stay that way with or with out smoking pot. People get to hung up on what is addictive and whats not. When the truth of the matter is that if you have an addictive personality your can get hooked on anything.
Maybe it's just lazy people tend to be the ones who get loaded all the time. I seriously doubt someone like Phelps is smoking very often.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3217552
99% of the people I know that smoke Marijuana are more productive then the ones that don't.
Really, I would say just the opposite and have heard others say the same thing. You must hang with a higher class of people than I worked with
 
el guapo

el guapo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3217570
Really, I would say just the opposite and have heard others say the same thing. You must hang with a higher class of people than I worked with

Well maybe you should take a look at the kind of people you hang around with .
They'll bring you down .
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3217599
Well maybe you should take a look at the kind of people you hang around with .
They'll bring you down .
I just had to work with them, I wouldn't have hung with most of them

I have a family member who is a daily smoker but he is using it for pain management and usually doesn't do much, a hit or two at a shot and that's it. Not sure how loaded that can get you but anyway other than a little paranoia he doesn't exhibit any of the "stoner" traits I see in most of the heavy users I have ever known. I can think of one guy I worked with was REALLY into it and he had his act together, the others? Sheeessssssh.
Kinda sad but just sitting here thinking most of the people I have known on a personal level who continued beyond there 20's was the group of guys my brother hung out with. They moved on to other things and are now dead. I think the oldest one was in his early 50's, most checked out in their 30's. I don't blame that on the weed, something would have gotten them, just addictive personalities.
 
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