Marijuana Legalization Bill Approved By Committee

uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3212806
Marijuana isn't that bad for you in comparison to other (harder) drugs.
Such as alcohol? Define "hard" drugs. Define "bad for you." Heroin could be considered a "hard" drug. Fact of the matter is that in its pure form it is less harmful to the body than either MJ or alcohol because it so closely approximates Endorphines that the body can process it with comparitively far less organ damage than it takes to process either of the latter two.
The problem lies in the fact that marijuana is the gateway drug.
To what? Please also cite statistics that prove this opinion to be factual.
With increased availability, kids and adults are going to get into drugs more, keep trying to get a better high, and will start experimenting more.
Statistically unproven. Did prohibition prevent the abuse of alcohol? Did rescinding it result in an increase in alcohol abuse? The answer to both questions is: No. What prohibition did do was give birth to organized crime. Rescinding it legitimized those same criminals. Ask the Kennedy's where their money came from...
By the way,
The problem with this is all the terrible substance companies will put into the product.
Like they already do with the food supply? Not sure I get your logic...
 
gill again68

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If there is one thing we could learn from all this is.......ummm....errrrr what was I saying?????? Im hungry.....think Ill go get a snack.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3212800
If I owned a company I would have mandatory random testing for both during the probationary period at least.
Unconstitutional in CA, and should be nationally. What I do with my free time is none of your business.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3212941
Unconstitutional in CA, and should be nationally. What I do with my free time is none of your business.
And how many businesses have left california
Its stupid anti business laws like that that have been driving people out for years.
If you show up to work for me with traces of mind altering substances in your system it is my business.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3212806
Marijuana isn't that bad for you in comparison to other (harder) drugs. The problem lies in the fact that marijuana is the gateway drug. With increased availability, kids and adults are going to get into drugs more, keep trying to get a better high, and will start experimenting more. This drug is a gateway to other, terrible things.
You just keep repeating that crap that they force feed you kids in school... Maybe someday you'll start thinking for yourself. I know at least 50 people that are regular pot smokers and not a single one of them has ever moved on to doing "hard" drugs
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3212998
You just keep repeating that crap that they force feed you kids in school... Maybe someday you'll start thinking for yourself. I know at least 50 people that are regular pot smokers and not a single one of them has ever moved on to doing "hard" drugs

I don't think MJ leads to harder stuff, looking for a better high does. It's just the nature of the beast. If you think back to all the smokers you have ever known I bet plenty moved on to other things. Most of those I know or knew did, some just dabbled, some ended up in rehab and more than I'd like to think ended up taking a dirt nape.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213009
I don't think MJ leads to harder stuff, looking for a better high does. It's just the nature of the beast. If you think back to all the smokers you have ever known I bet plenty moved on to other things. Most of those I know or knew did, some just dabbled, some ended up in rehab and more than I'd like to think ended up taking a dirt nape.
I'm not saying that some of us didnt try other stuff, but still nothing that I would really consider a dangerous drug, like coke or heroin. Some shrooms here or there but even still, 20 years later, all of them are still just smoking pot and not doing anything else.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3213013
I'm not saying that some of us didnt try other stuff, but still nothing that I would really consider a dangerous drug, like coke or heroin. Some shrooms here or there but even still, 20 years later, all of them are still just smoking pot and not doing anything else.
It is when people are early into it that they look for the better high and move on. I would say in my experience coke was the next step of choice for everyone I know. In fact I am not sure if I can think of a person I knew who did weed who didn't a least dabble in coke but then again my older brother sold both for a while. Not all tokers end up hard drug addicts but what percentage of hard drug addicts started out with weed?
The real danger in taking any drug is that you don't know if you are addiction prone until its too late.
One scary thing about coke is what people would do to get the stuff. My brother would have people trade him expensive jewelry and nice guns and stuff for a bindle worth 80 bux at that time.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3212994
And how many businesses have left california
Its stupid anti business laws like that that have been driving people out for years.
I'm not sure a correlation can be established between the two.
Not to mention - anti business? Really? Child labor laws, minimum wage laws, overtime pay laws, health insurance coverage, Social Security laws, environmental protection laws, pretty much all anti business - no? You wanna return to the days of Pullman and the company store/housing/currency? Tell me where you draw that line. I'm intrigued.
If you show up to work for me with traces of mind altering substances in your system it is my business.
No it's not. You need to be able to establish a difference between being high at work and smokin a lil MJ on your own time. If I eat a piece of poppyseed cake I will test positive for opiates. Does that give you the right to fire me? If I'm taking a prescription drug like (x)anax, I could be construed as high at work and there's nothing you can do about it.
The attitude is reminiscent of 19th century pub laws in England: Close the pub at 9pm and the labor force will show up on time at 6am sober... Right - sure they will.
If you're going to hold a position on the subject, then some consistency needs to be maintained. I.e. if your argument is to bar people "under the influence" from working for you, then it shouldn't matter what they're under the influence of. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it doesn't affect your productivity, but to ban it from the workplace would be harmful to the pharmaceutical industry, which is anti-Capitalist as well...
This is the point at which, as Dickens said, "The law is an ass."
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213024
It is when people are early into it that they look for the better high and move on. I would say in my experience coke was the next step of choice for everyone I know. In fact I am not sure if I can think of a person I knew who did weed who didn't a least dabble in coke but then again my older brother sold both for a while. Not all tokers end up hard drug addicts but what percentage of hard drug addicts started out with weed?
The real danger in taking any drug is that you don't know if you are addiction prone until its too late.
I dont buy the whole moving onto coke for a better high thing. Pot and Coke are absolutely nothing alike and in fact are almost polar opposites in how they affect people.
Also, pot is NOT a physically addictive drug. You can't OD on it and there is no withdrawal from it. There is some evidence out there that a small percentage of people may become mentally or emotionally dependent but again, there are no physical symptoms of addiction to it.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3213029
I'm not sure a correlation can be established between the two.
You need to be able to establish a difference between being high at work and using drugs. If I eat a piece of poppyseed cake I will test positive for opiates. Does that give you the right to fire me? If I'm taking a prescription drug like

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, I could be construed as high at work and there's nothing you can do about it...
The people you work with have the right not to get injured or killed because you showed up loaded. If that means you need to avoid snacks with illegal substances in them and leave the room if a friend sparks one up so be it.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3213059
I dont buy the whole moving onto coke for a better high thing. Pot and Coke are absolutely nothing alike and in fact are almost polar opposites in how they affect people.
Also, pot is NOT a physically addictive drug. You can't OD on it and there is no withdrawal from it. There is some evidence out there that a small percentage of people may become mentally or emotionally dependent but again, there are no physical symptoms of addiction to it.
Pot is mentally addictive, or at least can be which is even harder to kick long term.
And whether you buy it or not many people use both coke and weed. I know one guy who started with weed and got hooked on coke and weed both, he ended up in rehab and could care less about ever doing coke again but struggles as far as the weed goes.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213062
The people you work with have the right not to get injured or killed because you showed up loaded. If that means you need to avoid snacks with illegal substances in them and leave the room if a friend sparks one up so be it.
When did poppy seed become illegal? Gonna be a LOT of bagel shops around here in trouble if thats the case!
 
pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3213059
Also, pot is NOT a physically addictive drug. You can't OD on it and there is no withdrawal from it. There is some evidence out there that a small percentage of people may become mentally or emotionally dependent but again, there are no physical symptoms of addiction to it.
I don't care that you don't buy into the idea that pot is a gateway drug, you don't have the authority to make that call.
It doesn't matter that pot is NOT a physically addictive drug. If you owned a company that had the ability to legally sell marijuana, your main concern would be to increase sales. What is the best way to increase sales? Increase the amount of users. What is the best way to increase the amount of users? Increase the desire for the product. What is the best way to increase the desire? Make the product addictive. There are tons of legal additives that companies can use to increase the drug's dependency. Nicotine is certainly not illegal and as we all know millions of people are physically dependent on it.
Who cares about physical dependence anyway? Psychological dependence is the main issue in this discussion. If you use pot in order to relieve stress, you WILL become psychologically dependent. You are training your body to cope with a drug. It's like nail biting. When nail biters are stressed out, they get an urge to bit their nails. Now, you might be thinking that fighting the urge to bite your nails is easy and you would be correct. However, nail biting does nothing to relieve your stress whereas pot does.
Yeah, whatever.
My sources are schooling and reading. I can't give you specific internet resources from what I'm talking about. I mean...I could but why should I? Find them yourself. I'm not getting paid for this lol
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3213069
When did poppy seed become illegal? Gonna be a LOT of bagel shops around here in trouble if thats the case!

I was thinking more along the lines of the MJ brownies but you are going to have to scarf a whole lot of Bagels to get a false positive based on the current standard they use.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3213074
I don't care that you don't buy into the idea that pot is a gateway drug, you don't have the authority to make that call.
ummm - think about that statement for a moment.
It doesn't matter that pot is NOT a physically addictive drug. If you owned a company that had the ability to legally sell marijuana, your main concern would be to increase sales. What is the best way to increase sales? Increase the amount of users. What is the best way to increase the amount of users? Increase the desire for the product. What is the best way to increase the desire? Make the product addictive. There are tons of legal additives that companies can use to increase the drug's dependency. Nicotine is certainly not illegal and as we all know millions of people are physically dependent on it.
Who cares about physical dependence anyway? Psychological dependence is the main issue in this discussion. If you use pot in order to relieve stress, you WILL become psychologically dependent. You are training your body to cope with a drug. It's like nail biting. When nail biters are stressed out, they get an urge to bit their nails. Now, you might be thinking that fighting the urge to bite your nails is easy and you would be correct. However, nail biting does nothing to relieve your stress whereas pot does.
Yeah, whatever.
My sources are schooling and reading. I can't give you specific internet resources from what I'm talking about. I mean...I could but why should I? Find them yourself. I'm not getting paid for this lol
You're hoisting yourself on your own petard.
Look the expression up. I'm not being paid to explain it either.
No offence intended, but you will soon come to find out that schooling and reading are a FAR CRY from real life...
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213076
I was thinking more along the lines of the MJ brownies but you are going to have to scarf a whole lot of Bagels to get a false positive based on the current standard they use.
Two bagels will do the trick. Not to mention, there is a poppyseed cake in Germany which will in no way, shape or form get you high, but is guaranteed to test you positive. So, if I go on vacation and have some of that - because it is tasty and delicious - you have the right to fire me?
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213068
Pot is mentally addictive, or at least can be which is even harder to kick long term.
And whether you buy it or not many people use both coke and weed. I know one guy who started with weed and got hooked on coke and weed both, he ended up in rehab and could care less about ever doing coke again but struggles as far as the weed goes.
Reef, I honestly did not even know that people coke anymore in any great numbers. I think lots of people for whatever reason have addictive personalities and it is just a crap shoot as to what they choose to destroy thier lives with, could be weed, could be coke, could be gambling or even ---. I've known a few people also that where mentally addicted to pot, but if it was not pot, they would have found something else to be obsessed with.
As far as for making it legal, I don't have any problems with it and it would be nice if all the pot enforcement money could be spent on the meth problem instead which is a far worse problem around here.
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3213092
Two bagels will do the trick. Not to mention, there is a poppyseed cake in Germany which will in no way, shape or form get you high, but is guaranteed to test you positive. So, if I go on vacation and have some of that - because it is tasty and delicious - you have the right to fire me?
According to what I just read 2 bagels wont cut it but even if it would then perhaps they should ban poppy seeds so we can weed out users.
 
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