Michael Vick Gets 23 Months...

digitydash

Active Member
Originally Posted by salty blues
Human beings are mammals/animals & I assure you abortion is cruel. Do some research.
Its the women choice if you ask me not a politition to tell you what you can and can't do.Is it rite no but it their choice.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by salty blues
I am no Vick fan, but some child molesters/abusers & rapists get less time than he did. I wish people could get as stirred up about killing unborn kids as they do about a stinkin' pitbull. You may flame me now.

good point.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by salty blues
I am no Vick fan, but some child molesters/abusers & rapists get less time than he did. I wish people could get as stirred up about killing unborn kids as they do about a stinkin' pitbull. You may flame me now.
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by digitydash
Don't get me wrong I do not hunt,but a gun shot kill instanly or maybe 30 seconds.Dog fighting last for hours of brutal fighting till a dog is to tired to defend it self or is almost dead.I see a big difference in the two.
If you even hit a police dog you get more time then hiting a human officer.
Having never experienced being killed slowly or being killed instantly I do not feel that I have to proper knowledge to indicate a difference in severity.
As far as the difference between hitting a police dog and a police officer, most people find the intimidation of a guy with a gun to be plenty of incentive NOT to attack a police officer and the ones that do so anyway are generally in a position where the addition time for assault on a police officer would be a drop in the bucket for them compared to what they already are facing.
But enough sidetracking, this is about Vick and he commited a crime, plead guilty and was given slightly more then the average time given for such a crime. So according to our system I'd have to say his punishment is fair, but since our system is hardly fair and not very effective it is my opinion that almost two years in prision will no effectively achieve the desired results (i.e. preventing dog fighting). People say Vick is a horrible role model and because of him kids will look up to him and think dog fighting is ok, but before changes were brought up and the whole media spectacle started it wasn't common knowledge that Vick was involved in dog fighting, infact I imagine very few of his fans even had any idea about dog fighting was.
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by salty blues
I am no Vick fan, but some child molesters/abusers & rapists get less time than he did. I wish people could get as stirred up about killing unborn kids as they do about a stinkin' pitbull. You may flame me now.
this isnt about your political or moral views on abortion... and your statement is far from true... how many Drs have been murdered, harassed or their clinics blown up by extremists??? you cant tell me that people dont get "that stirred up"...
i understand what Jerth is saying... since domesticated animals are often given human characteristics and become "one of the family" people often apply human laws/rights to them... i am in no way advocating dog fighting or animal cruelty... did Vick get a fair penalty... i say yes... should he have a "second chance" hellz yes just like every other person... he still has more charges to face and most likely will get punished some more...
 

chano

Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
Do you honestly think that your life is no more important than a dog's life?

Yes i do as a matter of fact. What makes one life more important than another? The fact that i pay taxes? Who are any of us to decide we are so important? I belive all life is precious not just my own or my spieces.
 

chano

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Originally Posted by ruaround
the only difference is opposable thumbs??? are you freakin kidding me???


Do you own dogs? Do they not have a personality? Do they not love? Do they not feel pain? Do they not live and die just the same as you and me? What makes them so different except biological differences?
 

chano

Member
Originally Posted by ruaround
or maybe they would have gotten into a great home and then mutilated a child...

If you really belive that pittbulls are this crazy breed of dogs that just randomly mutilate children you must have had some sort of blunt force trauma to the head. They are some of the most intelligent loyal and friendly dogs. The ones you hear about doing things like this are because of people like michael vick. They train the dogs to be killers. That is like me saying i saw (insert some race of people here) killing people on the news stay away from them they are killers. I have had pits my whole life as have several people i know and i do not know of one attack from a pit that was raised properly. Unlike some of the more "accepted" breeds I.E. labs, dalmations, shepards. They end up in shelters because the dogs have a bad rap because of exactly this kind of thing, and people get scared the dog is going to attack someone even though most of them even if they are dog aggressive are not people aggressive(and yes there is a difference).
 

keith burn

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Originally Posted by Chano
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.

lol torturing ???
We pull fish out of the sea,s and put them in a glass boxs (Tortuing)
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by keith burn
lol torturing ???
We pull fish out of the sea,s and put them in a glass boxs (Tortuing)
Sorry. You cannot possibly equate keeping an aquarium with what Vick did.
 

jennythebugg

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Originally Posted by keith burn
lol torturing ???
We pull fish out of the sea,s and put them in a glass boxs (Tortuing)
not all of the fish come from the ocean, and we don't pull them out when they lose a fight and smash their heads
 

keith burn

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Sorry. You cannot possibly equate keeping an aquarium with what Vick did.

Originally Posted by jennythebugg

not all of the fish come from the ocean, and we don't pull them out when they lose a fight and smash their heads

i know but (Tortuing)
(Do you honestly think that your life is no more important than a dog's life?)
(If you even hit a police dog you get more time then hiting a human officer).
(but some child molesters/abusers & rapists get less time than he did)
(Human beings are mammals/animals & I assure you abortion is cruel)
(i think he should have got LIFE dog or human make no diffence)
this is wack
 

keith burn

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Originally Posted by jennythebugg
not all of the fish come from the ocean, and we don't pull them out when they lose a fight and smash their heads
I know i was just saying (Tortuing)
 

jennythebugg

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they should throw him n@ked in a pit covered with alpo with all those dogs they abused and made fight each other, as well as the other men involved. there is no excuse for beating and torturing animals of any kind . if you don't want a pet to love and care for don't get one they are not put on this planet to make you money or give you a quick fix for your bloodlust dogs are companion animals-i don't even like dogs but seriously what kind of person -mentally- would it take to do something like that?
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by Chano
Yes i do as a matter of fact. What makes one life more important than another? The fact that i pay taxes? Who are any of us to decide we are so important? I belive all life is precious not just my own or my spieces.
So no BK Whopper for you I assume? Just a little kidding here. Please don't get your britches twisted.
 

keith burn

Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
they should throw him n@ked in a pit covered with alpo with all those dogs they abused and made fight each other, as well as the other men involved. there is no excuse for beating and torturing animals of any kind . if you don't want a pet to love and care for don't get one they are not put on this planet to make you money or give you a quick fix for your bloodlust dogs are companion animals-i don't even like dogs but seriously what kind of person -mentally- would it take to do something like that?

lol now that i will bet a $ on
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Chano
Do you own dogs? Do they not have a personality? Do they not love? Do they not feel pain? Do they not live and die just the same as you and me? What makes them so different except biological differences?
see there is the human characteristics i spoke of in another post... its a domescticated animal that you put these traits onto... yes they feel pain, yes they show excitement, but do they clean up after themselves??? are they smart enough to provide food for themselves??? (only if ferral) can they operate machinery??? can they tell you their emotions??? (im sure youll say yes to that last one)... no they cant talk to you and tell you how their day went...
Originally Posted by Chano

If you really belive that pittbulls are this crazy breed of dogs that just randomly mutilate children you must have had some sort of blunt force trauma to the head. They are some of the most intelligent loyal and friendly dogs. The ones you hear about doing things like this are because of people like michael vick. They train the dogs to be killers. That is like me saying i saw (insert some race of people here) killing people on the news stay away from them they are killers. I have had pits my whole life as have several people i know and i do not know of one attack from a pit that was raised properly. Unlike some of the more "accepted" breeds I.E. labs, dalmations, shepards. They end up in shelters because the dogs have a bad rap because of exactly this kind of thing, and people get scared the dog is going to attack someone even though most of them even if they are dog aggressive are not people aggressive(and yes there is a difference).
apparently you cant read... i said "maybe
"... i didnt out right say that a pit would attack, but what breed of dog do you hear about making a visious attack on a human??? you cant tell me that they are just being singled out and there are far more chiuaua attacks and they dont get reported...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by ruaround
there are far more chiuaua attacks and they dont get reported...
I wouldn't admit to getting attacked by a chiuaua
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
I wouldn't admit to getting attacked by a chiuaua
fine then a beagle... a golden retriever... a chocolate lab... a german sheppard... a miniature poodle... a weymer... a dalmation... (insert another 100 breeds here)... cuz you hear about attacks from those dogs soooooooooooo often...
 
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