Michael Vick Gets 23 Months...

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by cleanrshrmpfan
there is still a no gambling clause in the rule book for football. that means no gambling of any kind, and on top of that Vick still faces charges for illeagal gambling in virginia and the NFL wont take that into consideration untill vick gets trial for that (which is set for after he comes out of prison)
umm, there is not a ban on gambling. I believe the rule is "participating in gambling activities that bring discredit on the NFL can result in a lifetime ban."
That is definately not a ban. If they do bring gambling charges, depending on the term he could serve them simultaneously.
I believe if I read your post right, you said there was a ban, and used rose as proof of your point. I was simply pointing out the flaw of that logic.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
There is a difference between hunting and dog fighting, the major difference is in our society one is accepted and the other is not. In the past and in other societies dog fighting is considered a sport. Killing an animals just to cut its head off to mount it on a wall, or catching a fish just to take it out of the water with a hook in its mouth just for a picture and bragging rights seems pretty inhumane to me, however our current society allows that behavior and gets freaked out if anything happens to a cute furry animal.
Concerning the child you spoke of, I agree that sadistic behavior toward animals in children has a correlation to psychological problems as adults however I have see no correlation between an adult participating in a cruel society unacceptable activity that at one point in time was considered an accepted sport, with cruelty toward other peoples or any other psychological problems.
Heck even today, they get bulls stab them, tear muscles in their neck so they can't raise their head and goad them into charging someone, finally once it is over they fatally beat the animal. That is barbaric.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Heck even today, they get bulls stab them, tear muscles in their neck so they can't raise their head and goad them into charging someone, finally once it is over they fatally beat the animal. That is barbaric.
Yes, and I am glad in our society it is no longer acceptable. However I doubt the people who participate in bull fights are more likely to be a danger to society just as I do not see Vick or anyone who participates in dog fighting as a danger to society.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Yes, and I am glad in our society it is no longer acceptable. However I doubt the people who participate in bull fights are more likely to be a danger to society just as I do not see Vick or anyone who participates in dog fighting as a danger to society.
Ummm, they still do it in mexico and spain, I don't think dogfighting is the root of other violent acts, more like an offshoot of stupidity and marshmellow brain.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Yes, and I am glad in our society it is no longer acceptable. However I doubt the people who participate in bull fights are more likely to be a danger to society just as I do not see Vick or anyone who participates in dog fighting as a danger to society.
Take that a step further though Jerth.
What if one of the Madadors routinely electocuted, threw to the ground until dead, and drowned calves for pleasure....

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I'm sure he will stay physically in shape but I still think he might struggle to return. Being locked up changes people. There seems to be something about being surrounded by criminals and isolated from the rest of the world that tends to change people.
He'll need a good support system, which I think he may have... that includes family but also teammates, coaches, etc....

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
I really don't think you can connect this to hunting. People back in the days hunted deer etc. to survive, you don't need to stick two pit bulls into a ring to kill each other to survive.
You don't just go out a shoot a deer for the hell of it, that's inhumane. Usually when you hunt you want the meat, or the body, and usually all you need is a shot, which I would consider humane. Beating it, torturing it, and mutilating it just for the hell of it is not.
What Vick did, throwing dogs into a ring with the intent of just watching them kill each other just for the hell of it is inhumane, and yes he should be punished for it.
I really don't think he is going to do his full sentence either.
-Justin
I disagree... some people go out to shoot deer for meat, but the majority (we can include people who go off on safaries) do it for sport. People who go off to shoot birds or other rodents are doing it for sport. What Vick did was wrong, and he should be punished, but I do think its a little excessive.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Ummm, they still do it in mexico and spain, I don't think dogfighting is the root of other violent acts, more like an offshoot of stupidity and marshmellow brain.
Yes and there are areas where dog fighting is still socially acceptable so I have to agree that it is not a root of other violent acts.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Take that a step further though Jerth.
What if one of the Madadors routinely electocuted, threw to the ground until dead, and drowned calves for pleasure....
The beating, stabbing, cutting and all the other cruelty occur in the ring, of course a bull has to be deemed ready to go into the ring first which isn't a very pleasant experience for the bull, ever wonder what happens to the ones who are mean enough for the ring? In the end the cruel brutal treatment is about the same between bull fighting and dog fighting which is why neither is accepted in our society (in the US anyway), however my point is that people who participate in these 'sports' are not more likely to be harmful to other people.

 

[1journeyman]

Jerth, I'm not talking about the "sport" of dog fighting. I'm talking about Vick's desire to torture and execute.
He chose to be "hands on" when it came to killing the dogs. He didn't put a bullet in their heads, he choice "creative" ways to get kicks off of torturing the dogs he wanted to kill.
I think the issue is getting blurred here. 2 years for dog fighting would be one thing. 2 years for torturing and exocuting who knows how many dogs in gastly manners is quite another.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Jerth, I'm not talking about the "sport" of dog fighting. I'm talking about Vick's desire to torture and execute.
He chose to be "hands on" when it came to killing the dogs. He didn't put a bullet in their heads, he choice "creative" ways to get kicks off of torturing the dogs he wanted to kill.
I think the issue is getting blurred here. 2 years for dog fighting would be one thing. 2 years for torturing and exocuting who knows how many dogs in gastly manners is quite another.
I suppose it depends on what you consider to be torturing and exocuting in ghastly manners. The whole 'sport' of dog fighting is cruel and disgusting in my mind and I personally see no distinction between being personally involved in the disposal or training activities that are associated with it and the someone who merely particpates by observing the activities.

 

[1journeyman]

He poured water on dogs and then electrocuted them. He picked dogs up and threw them to the ground until they were dead. He drowned dogs.
You see no difference in that or watching a dog fight?

 

[wangotango]

A sinlge deadly shot to an animal if far less cruel than a slow painful death. Putting dogs "to sleep" is not a practice that gets people all worked up, because it is quick and painless. To say that he might as well have used the dogs from the shelters to fight because they would have been put down anyway is just rediculous.
You just stated that sport of dog fighting is cruel and disgusting, but you also said that it's no different than hunting which is acceptable.

-Justin

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
He poured water on dogs and then electrocuted them. He picked dogs up and threw them to the ground until they were dead. He drowned dogs.
You see no difference in that or watching a dog fight?
I see no difference between getting entertainment out of watching animals fight and actually hurting the animals in person. So to answer your question, no, I do not see a difference.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
A sinlge deadly shot to an animal if far less cruel than a slow painful death. Putting dogs "to sleep" is not a practice that gets people all worked up, because it is quick and painless. To say that he might as well have used the dogs from the shelters to fight because they would have been put down anyway is just rediculous.
You just stated that sport of dog fighting is cruel and disgusting, but you also said that it's no different than hunting which is acceptable.

-Justin
I would never say he might as well use dogs from a shelter, I already said I hate dog fighting, I also think hunting is a cruel for of entertainment. However the difference isn't in what I believe it is in what is exceptable to society. So in our current society people can kill animals solely for their own enjoyment and at the same time call dog fighting cruel and sick. That is what is acceptable to society, not me... To me an animal is an animal regardless of how cute and furry it is or isn't and taking a life is taking a life regardless of how supposedly 'painless' or painful the method is.

 

[newtoreef_tank]

i think he should have got LIFE dog or human make no diffence.

 

[digitydash]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I see no difference between getting entertainment out of watching animals fight and actually hurting the animals in person. So to answer your question, no, I do not see a difference.
Don't get me wrong I do not hunt,but a gun shot kill instanly or maybe 30 seconds.Dog fighting last for hours of brutal fighting till a dog is to tired to defend it self or is almost dead.I see a big difference in the two.
If you even hit a police dog you get more time then hiting a human officer.

 

[salty blues]

I am no Vick fan, but some child molesters/abusers & rapists get less time than he did. I wish people could get as stirred up about killing unborn kids as they do about a stinkin' pitbull. You may flame me now.

 

[digitydash]

What does abortion have to do with cruelty to animals?
You need to contact your state represenative if thats the case with child molesters/abusers & rapists .That don't happen here unless the state has no case.Also that a state case anyway.Federal cases run differently.He would probly only got a year but he lied about be involved in the killing of dogs and a failed drug test which they did not remove point for excepting responsibility since he lied.They would of took off 2 points off his guide line if he would of been up front but he wasn't.So he basiclly did it to himself so I could care less.

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by digitydash
What does abortion have to do with cruelty to animals?
You need to contact your state represenative if thats the case with child molesters/abusers & rapists .That don't happen here unless the state has no case.Also that a state case anyway.Federal cases run differently.He would probly only got a year but he lied about be involved in the killing of dogs and a failed drug test which they did not remove point for excepting responsibility since he lied.They would of took off 2 points off his guide line if he would of been up front but he wasn't.So he basiclly did it to himself so I could care less.
Human beings are mammals/animals & I assure you abortion is cruel. Do some research.