Michael Vick Gets 23 Months...
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rylan1
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Originally Posted by Chano
IMO NFL players are rolemodels for kids. Do you want your kids thinking Michael Vick had dog fights that must be cool. Yeah he is getting punished for it but kids do things they know they will get into trouble for all the time. Do you want your kids looking up to a guy who would do something like hang,electricute,drown and beat animals? (these are not even includeing the worst details i will spare anyone who hasnt read his confession.) Not to mention gambleing alone is an offence worthy of being banned for life from PRO sports. Anyone remember Pete Rose? He would have been a hall of famer and is known as one of the greatest baseball players ever but can't be inducted because of gambling. If micheal Vick so much as touches a professional football again i will personally box up every piece of merchandise i own and ship it to the commishiner (sp?) of the NFL and never watch,listen, or partake in any NFL event for the rest of my life. This is a serious crime and i do not want my children thinking this is by anymeans excuseable. The guy is going to end up doing 18mo in a country club prison. Not to mention the fact when he got out on bail the idiot went out and smoked pot. What kind of an idiot is this guy really as if he wasn't in enough trouble he goes out and gets high when he knows they are going to drug test him. The state is not going to pick up charges on him from what i have read so the guy gets a slap on the wrist. Sorry dude but "sorry" just doesn't cut it this time. How sorry were you when you were killing animals because they didn't live up to your standards? Why should he be allowed to come back out and again become a millionare?
I don't think were he is going is a country club... he also went in early which is somewhat comendable... He may get a month or so of time served. But this is no slap on the wrist.. this is very serious for him. As far as a role model... he can be one ... by telling about how his decisions ruined his life and career. About disassociating yourself from bad influences and so on... Many kids will listen to him because of who he is, and I think he could help kids who are in trouble to get back on the right path before they end up like him... It then would be a good story to people because if he does make it back it would be an "underdog
" story about someone who had everything...got wiped out... and came back. Kinda like Rocky V
IMO NFL players are rolemodels for kids. Do you want your kids thinking Michael Vick had dog fights that must be cool. Yeah he is getting punished for it but kids do things they know they will get into trouble for all the time. Do you want your kids looking up to a guy who would do something like hang,electricute,drown and beat animals? (these are not even includeing the worst details i will spare anyone who hasnt read his confession.) Not to mention gambleing alone is an offence worthy of being banned for life from PRO sports. Anyone remember Pete Rose? He would have been a hall of famer and is known as one of the greatest baseball players ever but can't be inducted because of gambling. If micheal Vick so much as touches a professional football again i will personally box up every piece of merchandise i own and ship it to the commishiner (sp?) of the NFL and never watch,listen, or partake in any NFL event for the rest of my life. This is a serious crime and i do not want my children thinking this is by anymeans excuseable. The guy is going to end up doing 18mo in a country club prison. Not to mention the fact when he got out on bail the idiot went out and smoked pot. What kind of an idiot is this guy really as if he wasn't in enough trouble he goes out and gets high when he knows they are going to drug test him. The state is not going to pick up charges on him from what i have read so the guy gets a slap on the wrist. Sorry dude but "sorry" just doesn't cut it this time. How sorry were you when you were killing animals because they didn't live up to your standards? Why should he be allowed to come back out and again become a millionare?
I don't think were he is going is a country club... he also went in early which is somewhat comendable... He may get a month or so of time served. But this is no slap on the wrist.. this is very serious for him. As far as a role model... he can be one ... by telling about how his decisions ruined his life and career. About disassociating yourself from bad influences and so on... Many kids will listen to him because of who he is, and I think he could help kids who are in trouble to get back on the right path before they end up like him... It then would be a good story to people because if he does make it back it would be an "underdog
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
you think shooting a deer with a bow, following him while he bleeds out and collaspes is humane?
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
you think shooting a deer with a bow, following him while he bleeds out and collaspes is humane?
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
You have a point.
I do not agree with what Vick did... it was wrong... but I think people are overly sensitive because they were dogs and many people have them in their homes. If they were iguanas or something different... there would be a different reaction.
If Mike Tyson could get reinstated in boxing then why shouldn't Vick? If Muhammed Ali could get reinstated after his situation than why can't Vick?
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
You have a point.
I do not agree with what Vick did... it was wrong... but I think people are overly sensitive because they were dogs and many people have them in their homes. If they were iguanas or something different... there would be a different reaction.
If Mike Tyson could get reinstated in boxing then why shouldn't Vick? If Muhammed Ali could get reinstated after his situation than why can't Vick?
darknes
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Originally Posted by Chano
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.
Do you honestly think that your life is no more important than a dog's life?
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.
Do you honestly think that your life is no more important than a dog's life?
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
If he ate the dogs afterwards would it have been ok? I just don't follow the corrolation between the two.
But don't get me wrong, he got what he had comming, I'm just saying we need to make it harder on people who hurt people. It is messed up when he gets 2 years, and murderers have gotten a lighter sentence.
Again, have you read how the dogs were killed?
I'm not a fan of hunting btw, but you can't compare the two things. The motiviations for the different acts are totally different.
If he ate the dogs afterwards would it have been ok? I just don't follow the corrolation between the two.
But don't get me wrong, he got what he had comming, I'm just saying we need to make it harder on people who hurt people. It is messed up when he gets 2 years, and murderers have gotten a lighter sentence.
1journeyman
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He didn't just "kill" the dogs....
Dousing with water and electrocuting, drowning, slamming the dog into the ground until it is dead, etc...
Dousing with water and electrocuting, drowning, slamming the dog into the ground until it is dead, etc...
ruaround
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Originally Posted by Chano
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.
the only difference is opposable thumbs??? are you freakin kidding me???
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.
the only difference is opposable thumbs??? are you freakin kidding me???
ruaround
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
i have to agree with this statement... also what if Vick and the boys dined on the dogs after they killed em???
*edit... heh stdreb you beat me too it!!!
I have to disagree with you on this also. Sure they are different in some ways but the motivation seems basically the same to me. Most people who hunt do so because they enjoy the thrill and those people who fight dogs also do so because they enjoy the thrill.
i have to agree with this statement... also what if Vick and the boys dined on the dogs after they killed em???
*edit... heh stdreb you beat me too it!!!
1journeyman
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I still think you all are overlooking the big picture.
Vick didn't just kill the dogs. He tortured them.
If a rancher multilated his cows before butchering them I'd say the same thing about the rancher; He'd be sick.
Vick didn't just kill the dogs. He tortured them.
If a rancher multilated his cows before butchering them I'd say the same thing about the rancher; He'd be sick.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I still think you all are overlooking the big picture.
Vick didn't just kill the dogs. He tortured them.
If a rancher multilated his cows before butchering them I'd say the same thing about the rancher; He'd be sick.
I'm just saying depending on your definition of humane, bowhunting, slaughtering cows is inhumane too.
I still think you all are overlooking the big picture.
Vick didn't just kill the dogs. He tortured them.
If a rancher multilated his cows before butchering them I'd say the same thing about the rancher; He'd be sick.
I'm just saying depending on your definition of humane, bowhunting, slaughtering cows is inhumane too.
jerthunter
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It seems to come down to the fact that dogs are cute and furry. If someone were to come here and complain about the inhumane treatment of farm animals, the majority of people would call him/her a tree hugger. Of course, since this is concerning the mistreatment of dogs, people are calling for his head.
I suppose I am just missing the big picture.
I suppose I am just missing the big picture.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
It seems to come down to the fact that dogs are cute and furry. If someone were to come here and complain about the inhumane treatment of farm animals, the majority of people would call him/her a tree hugger. Of course, since this is concerning the mistreatment of dogs, people are calling for his head.
I suppose I am just missing the big picture.
lol see I think they are just as much pets as a dog, I love cows, they are a very peaceful soothing animal. To me watching cows is almost as relaxing as watching my tank. They have it great.
It seems to come down to the fact that dogs are cute and furry. If someone were to come here and complain about the inhumane treatment of farm animals, the majority of people would call him/her a tree hugger. Of course, since this is concerning the mistreatment of dogs, people are calling for his head.
I suppose I am just missing the big picture.
lol see I think they are just as much pets as a dog, I love cows, they are a very peaceful soothing animal. To me watching cows is almost as relaxing as watching my tank. They have it great.
wangotango
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I really don't think you can connect this to hunting. People back in the days hunted deer etc. to survive, you don't need to stick two pit bulls into a ring to kill each other to survive.
You don't just go out a shoot a deer for the hell of it, that's inhumane. Usually when you hunt you want the meat, or the body, and usually all you need is a shot, which I would consider humane. Beating it, torturing it, and mutilating it just for the hell of it is not.
What Vick did, throwing dogs into a ring with the intent of just watching them kill each other just for the hell of it is inhumane, and yes he should be punished for it.
I really don't think he is going to do his full sentence either.
-Justin
You don't just go out a shoot a deer for the hell of it, that's inhumane. Usually when you hunt you want the meat, or the body, and usually all you need is a shot, which I would consider humane. Beating it, torturing it, and mutilating it just for the hell of it is not.
What Vick did, throwing dogs into a ring with the intent of just watching them kill each other just for the hell of it is inhumane, and yes he should be punished for it.
I really don't think he is going to do his full sentence either.
-Justin
theappe3
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Prison isnt going to do Michael Vick any good. He is just gonna chill there an do nothing.
His punishment should be a ridiculous fine and not being able to play in the NFL.
Is it just me or are pro athletes the luckiest ppl in the world. I mean they make A LOT of money to play a game. Back in the days people played sports because they liked it. NOT for the money.
His punishment should be a ridiculous fine and not being able to play in the NFL.
Is it just me or are pro athletes the luckiest ppl in the world. I mean they make A LOT of money to play a game. Back in the days people played sports because they liked it. NOT for the money.
ruaround
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Originally Posted by Krista921
if some one smashed your tank just to watch your fish flop around and ghasp for air wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them?
doesnt seem to matter to people when they kill numerous fish before they realize their tank hasnt cycled...
if some one smashed your tank just to watch your fish flop around and ghasp for air wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them?
doesnt seem to matter to people when they kill numerous fish before they realize their tank hasnt cycled...
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by Krista921
if some one smashed your tank just to watch your fish flop around and ghasp for air wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them?
If they did that to MY tank, I'd be livid. If Vick was stealing people's dogs and using them for fighting I'd see the connection.
if some one smashed your tank just to watch your fish flop around and ghasp for air wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them?
If they did that to MY tank, I'd be livid. If Vick was stealing people's dogs and using them for fighting I'd see the connection.