Michael Vick Gets 23 Months...

[darknes]

Am I the only one who thinks a prison sentance doesn't suit the crime? I thought the point of prison was to lock up people who are a threat to society; just another person to put in our already overcrowded prisons and waste our tax dollars on. I agree what he did is sick and wrong, but from what I understand he has no other crimes on his record, and didn't harm another person (sorry, but dogs are not humans).
Personally, I think the trial, a suspension from the NFL, a HUGE fine, and a long probation would be better suited (and possibility for stricter means if it happened again). I think he's learned his lesson from the embarrasment, and that he isn't any kind of threat to society. We're wasting prison space and tax dollars.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
So if he is 'sick' do you believe that being locked up in jail for two years will do anything to 'cure' him?
As far as living next door to him, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
I don't particularly care about "curing" him. That's what his friends and family should be doing.
I want him away from society to keep him from killing someone.
His crimes and lack of remorse show he is a threat.

 

[darknes]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I don't particularly care about "curing" him. That's what his friends and family should be doing.
I want him away from society to keep him from killing someone.
His crimes and lack of remorse show he is a threat.
I disagree. Is someone who shoots a deer a threat of shooting people?
Was it wrong? Yes, but it doesn't mean he's a threat to society and needs to be locked up.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I don't particularly care about "curing" him. That's what his friends and family should be doing.
I want him away from society to keep him from killing someone.
His crimes and lack of remorse show he is a threat.
I suppose I just do not see the connection between being cruel toward dogs and killing people.
In the end I have to agree with Darkness, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
I do not believe that locking him up will do any good and it has the potential to actually do harm.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Darknes
I disagree. Is someone who shoots a deer a threat of shooting people?
Was it wrong? Yes, but it doesn't mean he's a threat to society and needs to be locked up.
Shooting a deer is nowhere near the crimes Vick admitted to committing.
If I came across a hunter in the woods slowly torturing a wounded deer on the other hand...
"Vick's dogfighting operation, including the execution of underperforming dogs by electrocution, drowning, hanging and other means... He confesed to participating in the deaths of several under performing dogs.
Violent acts towards animals is often an indicator of a potential pshycopath.

 

[digitydash]

He got money he can buy protection lol.He will have a fun 20 months

He better not go to Atlanta halfway house it the worst around I heard.I don't feel sorry for him I did a year in the federal system for DTV with no record.

 

[chano]

IMO NFL players are rolemodels for kids. Do you want your kids thinking Michael Vick had dog fights that must be cool. Yeah he is getting punished for it but kids do things they know they will get into trouble for all the time. Do you want your kids looking up to a guy who would do something like hang,electricute,drown and beat animals? (these are not even includeing the worst details i will spare anyone who hasnt read his confession.) Not to mention gambleing alone is an offence worthy of being banned for life from PRO sports. Anyone remember Pete Rose? He would have been a hall of famer and is known as one of the greatest baseball players ever but can't be inducted because of gambling. If micheal Vick so much as touches a professional football again i will personally box up every piece of merchandise i own and ship it to the commishiner (sp?) of the NFL and never watch,listen, or partake in any NFL event for the rest of my life. This is a serious crime and i do not want my children thinking this is by anymeans excuseable. The guy is going to end up doing 18mo in a country club prison. Not to mention the fact when he got out on bail the idiot went out and smoked pot. What kind of an idiot is this guy really as if he wasn't in enough trouble he goes out and gets high when he knows they are going to drug test him. The state is not going to pick up charges on him from what i have read so the guy gets a slap on the wrist. Sorry dude but "sorry" just doesn't cut it this time. How sorry were you when you were killing animals because they didn't live up to your standards? Why should he be allowed to come back out and again become a millionare?

 

[chano]

Originally Posted by Darknes
(sorry, but dogs are not humans).

This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Shooting a deer is nowhere near the crimes Vick admitted to committing.
If I came across a hunter in the woods slowly torturing a wounded deer on the other hand...
"Vick's dogfighting operation, including the execution of underperforming dogs by electrocution, drowning, hanging and other means... He confesed to participating in the deaths of several under performing dogs.
Violent acts towards animals is often an indicator of a potential pshycopath.
Violent acts toward 'cute furry' animals may be an indicator of future psycological problems in adolescences, however I have yet to read any studies that show a correlation between adults involved with dog fighting and any type of 'mental sickness'.

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by Chano
This is a big problem in society IMO. Why should torturing animals be considered any different than torturing people? You are a mammal too. The only real difference (on the most basic level) is you have opposable thumbs thus can make and use tools.
Are you kidding me? To put dogs and humans on the same level is rediculous!!!

 

[rylan1]

I think its a litte harsh. He's lost more than most people in this situation and has already paid a stiff price. I think a year (12 mos) in jail would be more fair in my opinion. There are people who do worse things and get lighter sentences. I think this case was handled the way it was too show him as an example to others, and to ease public pressure from groups such as PETA. After he completes his sentence, he should have the opportunity to play in the NFL again. Once a person has paid their debt to society, they should be given the opportunity to make a living. There is no rule in the NFL that states he is unable to return. If he is physically able to perform, he deserves to get back in. I think his presence in the NFL would be benefitial to the league as a mentor or spokesperson. There have been other players that went to jail and were allowed to return... why shouldn't he.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Krista921
he admitted to killing two dogs
thats two lives
dogs or not
23 months?

what about 2 spiders? 2 Deer? 2 mice...
I know that a dog is a domesticated animal and that we should value all life.. but give me a break.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I think its a litte harsh. He's lost more than most people in this situation and has already paid a stiff price. I think a year (12 mos) in jail would be more fair in my opinion. There are people who do worse things and get lighter sentences. I think this case was handled the way it was too show him as an example to others, and to ease public pressure from groups such as PETA. After he completes his sentence, he should have the opportunity to play in the NFL again. Once a person has paid their debt to society, they should be given the opportunity to make a living. There is no rule in the NFL that states he is unable to return. If he is physically able to perform, he deserves to get back in. I think his presence in the NFL would be benefitial to the league as a mentor or spokesperson. There have been other players that went to jail and were allowed to return... why shouldn't he.
I kind of doubt that he will be able to return after spending nearly two years in jail. I think that if he serves his time there is no reason he shouldn't be able to return but like I said, I just don't think he will be anywhere near the same level of ability.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ruaround
there is NFL rules against gambling... but he is currently serving his suspension for that... and now the one year suspension has quickly turned into a 3 year suspension... no i dont think that he should get it "handed back to him on a silver platter:... upon release if he is still capable of playing in the NFL i think he should get an oppertunity... look at Ricky Williams, he has broke the NFL drug rules 4 times... and last i looked Marijuana is illegal... but guess what... HES BAAAACK...
Your right, I think Ricky has been given so many chances because he has been diagnosted with anxiety issues, which the pot fixes. I believe he is kind of a health nut and didn't want to take other medications.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I kind of doubt that he will be able to return after spending nearly two years in jail. I think that if he serves his time there is no reason he shouldn't be able to return but like I said, I just don't think he will be anywhere near the same level of ability.
He probably won't due the whole time... I'd say 18-20 months... but for one he is probably if not the most, then top 5 as being the most gifted athletes in the NFL. So his natural ability gives him an advantage. 2nd, he'll only be 30.
3rd, he can still run, but he can't lift weights... If I were him I would get in touch with Hershel Walker who never lifted weights but did like 1000 push ups a day/1500 sit-ups. Basically... he can keep in shape if he wants to. He probably won't be a QB anymore. He'll probably be a player who will be used in a multi-position role...KR, WR,RB, with a limited QB role. I would say a cross b/w early Kordell Stewart, Josh Cribbs, Brad Smith, Darren McFadden.

 

[digitydash]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
He probably won't due the whole time... I'd say 18-20 months... but for one he is probably if not the most, then top 5 as being the most gifted athletes in the NFL. So his natural ability gives him an advantage. 2nd, he'll only be 30.
3rd, he can still run, but he can't lift weights... If I were him I would get in touch with Hershel Walker who never lifted weights but did like 1000 push ups a day/1500 sit-ups. Basically... he can keep in shape if he wants to. He probably won't be a QB anymore. He'll probably be a player who will be used in a multi-position role...KR, WR,RB, with a limited QB role. I would say a cross b/w early Kordell Stewart, Josh Cribbs, Brad Smith, Darren McFadden.
Just to let you know the feds 23 months equals 20 months with 3 months in a halfway house you get no breaks in the fed system.You do 85% in and the rest in halfway house.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
He probably won't due the whole time... I'd say 18-20 months... but for one he is probably if not the most, then top 5 as being the most gifted athletes in the NFL. So his natural ability gives him an advantage. 2nd, he'll only be 30.
3rd, he can still run, but he can't lift weights... If I were him I would get in touch with Hershel Walker who never lifted weights but did like 1000 push ups a day/1500 sit-ups. Basically... he can keep in shape if he wants to. He probably won't be a QB anymore. He'll probably be a player who will be used in a multi-position role...KR, WR,RB, with a limited QB role. I would say a cross b/w early Kordell Stewart, Josh Cribbs, Brad Smith, Darren McFadden.
I'm sure he will stay physically in shape but I still think he might struggle to return. Being locked up changes people. There seems to be something about being surrounded by criminals and isolated from the rest of the world that tends to change people.

 

[digitydash]

Sorry but call it what you want its no country club and will be doing 20 months not 18 months
Originally Posted by Chano
IMO NFL players are rolemodels for kids. Do you want your kids thinking Michael Vick had dog fights that must be cool. Yeah he is getting punished for it but kids do things they know they will get into trouble for all the time. Do you want your kids looking up to a guy who would do something like hang,electricute,drown and beat animals? (these are not even includeing the worst details i will spare anyone who hasnt read his confession.) Not to mention gambleing alone is an offence worthy of being banned for life from PRO sports. Anyone remember Pete Rose? He would have been a hall of famer and is known as one of the greatest baseball players ever but can't be inducted because of gambling. If micheal Vick so much as touches a professional football again i will personally box up every piece of merchandise i own and ship it to the commishiner (sp?) of the NFL and never watch,listen, or partake in any NFL event for the rest of my life. This is a serious crime and i do not want my children thinking this is by anymeans excuseable. The guy is going to end up doing 18mo in a country club prison. Not to mention the fact when he got out on bail the idiot went out and smoked pot. What kind of an idiot is this guy really as if he wasn't in enough trouble he goes out and gets high when he knows they are going to drug test him. The state is not going to pick up charges on him from what i have read so the guy gets a slap on the wrist. Sorry dude but "sorry" just doesn't cut it this time. How sorry were you when you were killing animals because they didn't live up to your standards? Why should he be allowed to come back out and again become a millionare?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Shooting a deer is nowhere near the crimes Vick admitted to committing.
If I came across a hunter in the woods slowly torturing a wounded deer on the other hand...
"Vick's dogfighting operation, including the execution of underperforming dogs by electrocution, drowning, hanging and other means... He confesed to participating in the deaths of several under performing dogs.
Violent acts towards animals is often an indicator of a potential pshycopath.
you think shooting a deer with a bow, following him while he bleeds out and collaspes is humane?

 

[stdreb27]

This is my only problem with his sentence, he killed a couple dogs and get 2 years. But we let people off easier for killing people. Why should the NFL perma ban him? He is missing 3 years at least of play, that is a pretty stiff penalty, they've let people off easier for violating a woman (---- is sensored). A Dogs life isn't as important as a persons. I'm sorry it just isn't.
Oh, I'm glad he is going to jail for a couple years moron. He should be locked up for just being sooo stupid.