Michael Vick

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
The picture I have in my mind when I see peoples reaction to the indictment, is a picture of the old west, and the townspeople catch wind that this guy may have killed someone, so the whole town gets mad and drags this guy out of bed and in a rage you know hang em. (I'm not saying that this is a race issue) Without knowing all the facts, more of a kneejerk reaction. Sure he may be guilty, but then again he may not be.
Yes, but what the NFL, Nike and Reebok have done, they're completely within their rights to do. And it's not really been knee-jerk when you consider how long the investigation has been going on, and the water bottle thing from a while back. And no one is denying him his day in court.

 

[beth]

Death by electrocution works for me....only fair.

 

[sudc]

His day in court means nothing to the NFL. Goodell said in perfectly that while he may not have committed any crimes, his conduct has violated the player conduct code for the league. The NFL doesn't need this bad publicity and would be well within their rights to cut ties with Vick and not allow him to play.
The NFL, NBA and MLB could very easily say that from now on, any player who gets arrested for anything can never play again. Playing is a privilege not a right. You have to be an amazing athlete to play, they could say you have to be an amazing PERSON to play as well.
Anyone who still thinks he is INNOCENT is either uninformed or a fanboy. He is being raked over the coals by EVERYONE, kept out of camp by the commisioner, dropped by all his endorsements and even not being included in this years playing cards!
Do you really think he would sit back and not say a SINGLE WORD in his defense if he was completely innocent???? Kobe and the Duke players immediately screamed their innocence to the world and Vick would to if he was innocent. Any decent PR person will tell you that you have to do this immediately unless they have you right where they want you!
They have the goods on him and he knows it. He will be VERY lucky if he doesn't go to prison. Somehow, someway, with his money, he may be found NOT GUILTY but that still doesn't make him INNOCENT(remeber OJ!).

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by MeleeRock
It was brought up a while ago, but I believe this is called Hashish. Its weed, but a lot more potent.
As for Vick, he will have his day in court.
Also, has anyone heard the rap song about him? I heard it on some station on XM. It was the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
hashish has nothing to do with weed it is an opiate (poppies) processed into hard clay like substance that is way stronger than weed...tobin

 

[rslinger]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
hashish has nothing to do with weed it is an opiate (poppies) processed into hard clay like substance that is way stronger than weed...tobin
Yeah but it wasn't either is wasn't a drug at all. I don't have time to search what it was right now but I will and get back to you.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
I don't remember what it ended up being. But no they did not even think it was green weed they thought it was black tar like substance or resin. The stuff that is left in the pipe. But it was not. I don't remeber what it was.
That's even worse, An NFL star messing with tar that its left in pipes?. Come on he's 17million dollarcontract doesn't pay for real weed? Hash, resin, black tar,chode ect.. its more potent cause its pure THC. But it is not desireble in taste,smell,looks.. it looks like crap and it tastes like crap.. i don't see anyone messing with it, Unless they're totally out of weed and are fining to get the edge off, so they scrape the pipe to get this resins wich will get you high but not higher..But an NFL player with a 17million contract should be able to afford some of that sticky-icky,No stems, NO seeds,No sticks..Nothing but Green Buds!!

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
Yeah but it wasn't either is wasn't a drug at all. I don't have time to search what it was right now but I will and get back to you.

So what was it? assphalt? Mud? What could he be caring that looked like black tar heroin but it wasn't a drug?(this is assuming it wasn't Green)

 

[happyvac]

Originally Posted by Beth
Death by electrocution works for me....only fair.
For Michael Vick? Surely you jest...

 

[jmick]

Anyone else have a funny feeling that Arthur Blank and the Falcons have been helping M Vick cover up a lot of things over the years? The whole airport bottle story seemed to dissapear very quickly...

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Anyone else have a funny feeling that Arthur Blank and the Falcons have been helping M Vick cover up a lot of things over the years? The whole airport bottle story seemed to dissapear very quickly...
??? I have a hard time believing that Arthur Blank would be able to have Miami police in his back pocket. That might be going a little to far. It was an unmeasurable amount of weed, so they had no choice but to let the case go. What I have a hard time with, is that he was sat down by Falcon Brass about the bottle incident in January, and was (according to the indictment) dealing with this whole dog mess in April. Are you really that dumb?
Funny though, I went out to watch Falcons training camp tonight. It is quite a different look when you see Joey Harrington taking snaps. And being from Detroit this guy has already killed me once. We'll get em next year, I guess.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
No doubt.. I would've had more respect for the guy if he'd set up Illegal/underground "Human" fight clubs.
Rylan, sorry dude but if this guy wasn't black would you be singing the same song? (not that race/color matters and lets not go there)But i just don't get see how you're sticking up for such a lame dude.. Even if he didn't watch it/do it, why allow it? i don't buy the Ignorance role playing..
If cops found a kilo of herb in my house, can i say that i'm holding it for you?
I like Vick as a player, however, the fact that he is black has nothing to do with it. I just feel like he is getting a raw deal because people are calling for his punishment even before the facts have come out. The indictment does mention his name several times, but it also says that he was not one of the ones who took part in the dog killings. Second, he is from Virginia, the fact that he was there doesn't mean that he was on the property. I'm sure he probably has several other family members that live near the house in question. I guess what I'm saying is if I were on trial for something, I would hate for most of you to be on the jury because I would be convicted even before the trial began. Give the guy a chance to defend himself. You also have these informants who will practically say anything so they can get off or a reduced sentence.
But people allow all kinds of things happen with out saying anything. I remember a story about a woman who had been stabbed in a store and was bleeding to death and about 5-10 people simply stepped over her to go into the store and didnt call for help, one even took a picture of her with their camera phone.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I like Vick as a player, however, the fact that he is black has nothing to do with it. I just feel like he is getting a raw deal because people are calling for his punishment even before the facts have come out. The indictment does mention his name several times, but it also says that he was not one of the ones who took part in the dog killings. Second, he is from Virginia, the fact that he was there doesn't mean that he was on the property. I'm sure he probably has several other family members that live near the house in question. I guess what I'm saying is if I were on trial for something, I would hate for most of you to be on the jury because I would be convicted even before the trial began. Give the guy a chance to defend himself. You also have these informants who will practically say anything so they can get off or a reduced sentence.
But people allow all kinds of things happen with out saying anything. I remember a story about a woman who had been stabbed in a store and was bleeding to death and about 5-10 people simply stepped over her to go into the store and didnt call for help, one even took a picture of her with their camera phone.

Well I believe the guys on the Duke Lacrosse team were convicted long before the DA was facing charges for illegally building a case verse these guys. White or Black this is the age of public opinion. Unfortunately.
His friend is copping a plea today, that isn't good news for Mr. Vick.

 

[msez2u]

Stands up and applauses SUDC...If I was innocent I would be screaming it to the world and trust me everyone would know what I have to say. This man has said nothing he has sat back with his higher then Thou attitude and watched the world revolve around him. Honestly if you were told to sit down and shut up and let this be handled...Would YOU?????. Not me, just like mentioned before the Kobe and Duke cases all those boys yelled to the world they did not do it. This guy has said not a word. I'm not a debater, but this is one thing I will get on my soap box about. This man has video and phone calls and undercover agents placing him with these fights. You can not compare apples to oranges, We watch nature at its finest when we sit and watch lions fight on Discovery channel. This is not nature, this is plain and pure evilness. My X-husband and I owned a bail bond business for over 8 years and there were several people we would not bond out and animal abusers were one of them. These people need to be behind bars if you can do this kind of stuff to an animal then you have NO PLACE in society. Somebody that can do this or have knowledge of it has No regard for LIFE. The problem with society today is that we have put these rock stars and celebrities and athletes so high on a pedal stool they all think they are above the law. They can do what they want and there money will back them up. We need to stop glorifying them and bring them back down to earth by punishing them like they should be. If your average JOE did this A) we would not know about it and B) they would be in jail no questions asked. Most people are saying OHH poor Vick whats he going to do now that he is loosing all this money they are taking away his livelihood. Oh well!!!! is what I say. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. You want to play with fire YOU will get burned. You think you are above the law, the law will catch up to you. We need to start making examples out of these celebrities start showing our youth that just because you are someone doesn't mean you don't need to obey the rules. I'm from OKlahoma and I'm sure you have heard about the big OU thing going on right now. I tell my kids all the time. Stop and think before you make a ripple in a puddle because it could become a tidalwave down the road and drowned you. The OU thing is a prime example a few players thought they were above the law and didn't have to follow the rules and now a WHOLE team is being punished for it and those few players that are guilty aren't even here anymore they have moved on with no consequence. I know in this country we have this saying...innocent until proven guilty. Well with him being who he is... When you are in the publics eye you are and will be guilty until proven innocent. Especially when is comes to something this atrocious. Jerk his livelihood away and make him show the country hes not above the law and that he is innocent because his actions sure aren't showing it. I'm getting off my soap box now and I'm sorry I got carried away with this, but I'm an avid animal lover and NO animal and I mean No animal should have to go through what these dogs have gone through. His day will come and he will be judged for this and I don't mean in a court of law...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
Well I believe the guys on the Duke Lacrosse team were convicted long before the DA was facing charges for illegally building a case verse these guys. White or Black this is the age of public opinion. Unfortunately.
His friend is copping a plea today, that isn't good news for Mr. Vick.
maybe so, but much of the information that was coming out was released by the DA- who for his own agenda mislead the public about the facts. As far as the Duke case, I don't think the alledged crime had anything to do with race. IMO if something happens that invloves a white and black person, in most cases race has nothing to do with it. I know that public opinion rules the media now, but its not right to draw conclusions prior to knowing the facts.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
maybe so, but much of the information that was coming out was released by the DA- who for his own agenda mislead the public about the facts. As far as the Duke case, I don't think the alledged crime had anything to do with race. IMO if something happens that invloves a white and black person, in most cases race has nothing to do with it. I know that public opinion rules the media now, but its not right to draw conclusions prior to knowing the facts.
The Duke lacrosse case was a hot bed. It couldn't have been more about race, Rev Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Black Panthers were demonstrating on the campus to lock these boys up. Those kids were fried in the court of public opinion. They didn't even do anything and they have to lobby to get their names back. The only thing I can go on is an 18 page indictment that the feds released. I could understand if his name was mentioned a few times, but it was mentioned 50+ times. His friend pleading guilty doesn't help matters either. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, Vick has played his last game in Atlanta, and maybe the NFL.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
IMO if something happens that invloves a white and black person, in most cases race has nothing to do with it. I know that public opinion rules the media now, but its not right to draw conclusions prior to knowing the facts.
I totally agree with what you said. Most of the time, it has nothing to do with race. But the media ALWAYS sways the story that way. It is really a shame, because it divides people more.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
The Duke lacrosse case was a hot bed. It couldn't have been more about race, Rev Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Black Panthers were demonstrating on the campus to lock these boys up. Those kids were fried in the court of public opinion. They didn't even do anything and they have to lobby to get their names back. The only thing I can go on is an 18 page indictment that the feds released. I could understand if his name was mentioned a few times, but it was mentioned 50+ times. His friend pleading guilty doesn't help matters either. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, Vick has played his last game in Atlanta, and maybe the NFL.
Your right he has an uphill battle to fight, he also may never play again if found guilty. The guy who plead guilty is the one who was basically running the organization and one who was named as one of the ones who killed the dogs - which Vick wasn't named as. The question is what was the plea- is he going to take responsiblity or is he going to testify against Vick? If Vick is responsible for anything it will be as the financer of the organization and/or betting on dog fighting.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
I totally agree with what you said. Most of the time, it has nothing to do with race. But the media ALWAYS sways the story that way. It is really a shame, because it divides people more.
I am a media person and my degree is in media- but I hate how they report things. People are saying dog fighting is a hip hop thing and it is not. They use examples like DMX and Jay-Z as promoting images of dog fighting- just because Jay-Z had a pit in a video barking. And DMX who is probably been involved in the "sport" but has not been relevant in several years. It's just silly to me when they attribute anything that is said or done by a young black male as being inspired by rap music- dog fighting is about gambling and testoterone and having the biggest baddest dog(s). Its a sport to the people invloved.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I am a media person and my degree is in media- but I hate how they report things. People are saying dog fighting is a hip hop thing and it is not. They use examples like DMX and Jay-Z as promoting images of dog fighting- just because Jay-Z had a pit in a video barking. And DMX who is probably been involved in the "sport" but has not been relevant in several years. It's just silly to me when they attribute anything that is said or done by a young black male as being inspired by rap music- dog fighting is about gambling and testoterone and having the biggest baddest dog(s). Its a sport to the people invloved.
Rylan, anybody who thinks the media has their best interest at heart is a lost soul. Maybe you can change that around. Unfortunately they live on ratings, and what can get people the most fired up? race, politics, and religion. Its a low down dirty game, just try your best to keep clean.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
Rylan, anybody who thinks the media has their best interest at heart is a lost soul. Maybe you can change that around. Unfortunately they live on ratings, and what can get people the most fired up? race, politics, and religion. Its a low down dirty game, just try your best to keep clean.
Corporate/media world is dirty- I thinking of getting out of that world so to speak... an opportunity came up where I have a family member who is a fire cheif and I am considering being a firefighter and having a small business on the side.