Michael Vick

[jennythebugg]

why is everyone TRYING to turn it into a black and white issue? come on ,just because someone cries out for justice does not mean they want him lynched because he is black, thats the part i dont understand i would be just as horrified if it were troy aikman that was fighting dogs like that , thats torture and the loser forfiets its life??!! he's a real american hero(not!). is that what you want your sons looking up to?

 

[highcottn1]

Vick=thug

 

[highcottn1]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
why is everyone TRYING to turn it into a black and white issue? come on ,just because someone cries out for justice does not mean they want him lynched because he is black, thats the part i dont understand i would be just as horrified if it were troy aikman that was fighting dogs like that , thats torture and the loser forfiets its life??!! he's a real american hero(not!). is that what you want your sons looking up to?

exactly

 

[jerthunter]

We have a justice system in place in this country and although there are flaws we all rely on the justice system.
If he is guilty I hope that he is found guilty and recieves a reward that fits his crime and if he is innocent we I hope that he will be cleared in the end.

 

[sudc]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
you guys are forgeting that its was not the house he lived in and from what i read today they are going to have a hard time proving he had been there in a long time. if it were a simple we can prove it easy case the state would have chagred him not the feds.
Really?!?! Everything i read says they can place him there as late as April of this year.
Also, the feds charged him because they were interstate crimes and the feds have more money and power. Also, the feds charged him because, most likely, they KNOW that they have the goods on him and can SLAM him. Don't worry though, he will be charged in state court as well soon enough, i'll bet.
I'll be the 1st to make the prediction.... Vick has played his last down in the NFL

 

[reefraff]

It shouldn't be hard for the lawyers to discredit the snitches but if the prosecution can place Vick in town through airline tickets, credit card receipts etc. at the same time they claim he was making payoffs, killing poor performing dogs etc. Mikey go bye bye. Unless the guy is absolutly innocent the best think he could do is humble up, plea bargin the best deal he can get and hope he can get a job in the arena football league.

 

[nvmycj]

Wow....
Lots of good replies and points seen here. I'm trying to remember if the NFL commissioner said something to the players this year....something to the extent of "behave like a professional athlete, or you're out!"
Any of you heard of that?

 

[stdreb27]

Now, I'm not a big vick fan. I'm even less a mcnabb fan. But This reaction to what vick has been "indicted" is rediculous. Do we not remember the reaction to the duke players? Only to have all their charges dropped? We are jumping the gun, he has only been accused of a crime, he hasn't been convicted. I personally don't like him all that much, but I'm going to wait for the people too dumb to get out of jury duty to decide. I mean come on reebok nike and the nfl pulling the plug on his jersey sales. They are punishing him for something that he may not have even done.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Now, I'm not a big vick fan. I'm even less a mcnabb fan. But This reaction to what vick has been "indicted" is rediculous. Do we not remember the reaction to the duke players? Only to have all their charges dropped? We are jumping the gun, he has only been accused of a crime, he hasn't been convicted. I personally don't like him all that much, but I'm going to wait for the people too dumb to get out of jury duty to decide. I mean come on reebok nike and the nfl pulling the plug on his jersey sales. They are punishing him for something that he may not have even done.
I don't think you can compare Vick's case to the Duke LAX case. The Duke case was really a matter of one person's word against another's, without any real evidence. From the sound of it, there's a lot of evidence against Vick, not to mention co-defendants who are probably going to cut a deal.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
I don't think you can compare Vick's case to the Duke LAX case. The Duke case was really a matter of one person's word against another's, without any real evidence. From the sound of it, there's a lot of evidence against Vick, not to mention co-defendants who are probably going to cut a deal.
I don't know a whole lot about Vicks case, but my point is that he has just been indicted, he hasn't been conficted. We shouldn't be treating him as guilty already. Because we could be wrong, such as the Duke case, where kids were punished, stuff taken away that can never be restored. So maybe we should and the nfl should wait before passing punishment on the guy. I'm not arguing weather he is guilty or not. I'm just saying we should wait to pass judgement.

 

[aztec reef]

Ok, peep this and tell me your reaction..http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?i...C-RSSFeeds0312

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I don't know a whole lot about Vicks case, but my point is that he has just been indicted, he hasn't been conficted. We shouldn't be treating him as guilty already. Because we could be wrong, such as the Duke case, where kids were punished, stuff taken away that can never be restored. So maybe we should and the nfl should wait before passing punishment on the guy. I'm not arguing weather he is guilty or not. I'm just saying we should wait to pass judgement.
Judgement hasn't been passed yet; people just have opinions. As for the NFL, Nike, Reebok, etc. they can do whatever they want. Having a shoe deal isn't a right, it's a privilege. If those companies decide that they don't want to be represented by someone with even a hint of a bad reputation, that's their call.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Judgement hasn't been passed yet; people just have opinions. As for the NFL, Nike, Reebok, etc. they can do whatever they want. Having a shoe deal isn't a right, it's a privilege. If those companies decide that they don't want to be represented by someone with even a hint of a bad reputation, that's their call.
Don't get me wrong, I think from what I have read he seems as guilty as anything, I've thought since his brother got in trouble and cut from his college team, that Vick can't be as clean as he seems.
But what I am saying, before we burry the guy we should wait and see what else pops up.
All a grand jury indictment says is that they have enough evidence to try him in court. Not found guilty yet.
There is one good thing about this, at least I don't have to hear about how Barry Bonds has cheated as much anymore.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Judgement hasn't been passed yet; people just have opinions. As for the NFL, Nike, Reebok, etc. they can do whatever they want. Having a shoe deal isn't a right, it's a privilege. If those companies decide that they don't want to be represented by someone with even a hint of a bad reputation, that's their call.
See I don't really blame nike and reebok, but the NFL should stand behind their man.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
See I don't really blame nike and reebok, but the NFL should stand behind their man.
Why? Guilty or not, Vick has put himself in a position (more than once) to bring negative press to the NFL. Again, they can do whatever they want. If Vick doesn't like it, he can go and get a real job.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Why? Guilty or not, Vick has put himself in a position (more than once) to bring negative press to the NFL. Again, they can do whatever they want. If Vick doesn't like it, he can go and get a real job.
Why not, all they have to say is that the NFL is going to investigate the matter, in our country we believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And learning from past experiences, such as Kobe, and the Duke case. We feel that it would be prudent for the NFL to wait til for the conclusion of our investigation, as well as, considering the progress of the federal investigation.
I'd accept something like that. I would think it was fair.
It wouldn't be throwing him to the dogs, (hehe) but at the same time wouldn't be letting him off the hook.

 

[nvmycj]

I'm glad to hear that Nike & Reebok pulled his contract. You are a "professional" player of the NFL and you represent them in ALL that you do. You MUST act and behave in some sort of professional demeanor. I don't care what kind of excuses you come up with,....but he knew what was going on at his house. He allowed it to happen. And probably enjoyed the financial benefits he received after the dog fights and entry fees, etc., etc.,
But back to my other question,....Didn't the NFL commissioner give a speech earlier this year about acting in professional and respectfull manner, representing an NFL player? All players, especially the big named one, are looked up to by todays youth. I know that one of my son's was very upset about Ben Rothlesburger's driving skills. (we love the Steelers!) Through Ben's careless driving accident, my sons and I spoke about motorcyles and how much fun and dangerous they are, and how you should respect them. What lesson does my son learn when he asks me about Vick, and his "suspected" involvement?

 

[meleerock]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
I don't remember what it ended up being. But no they did not even think it was green weed they thought it was black tar like substance or resin. The stuff that is left in the pipe. But it was not. I don't remeber what it was.
It was brought up a while ago, but I believe this is called Hashish. Its weed, but a lot more potent.
As for Vick, he will have his day in court.
Also, has anyone heard the rap song about him? I heard it on some station on XM. It was the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Why not, all they have to say is that the NFL is going to investigate the matter, in our country we believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And learning from past experiences, such as Kobe, and the Duke case. We feel that it would be prudent for the NFL to wait til for the conclusion of our investigation, as well as, considering the progress of the federal investigation.
I'd accept something like that. I would think it was fair.
It wouldn't be throwing him to the dogs, (hehe) but at the same time wouldn't be letting him off the hook.
You're missing the point. The NFL has no obligation to Vick, and they can do whatever they want. He doesn't have a right to work for the NFL, just like Don Imus didn't have a right to work in radio. If they decide that they just don't like him, regardless of whether or not he's done anything illegal, thay can choose to not have anything to do with him. What happens in court doesn't really have anything to do with it. They can decide that they don't like the way he dresses, the way he behaves in public, the people he hangs out with, anything, and choose not to employ him.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
You're missing the point. The NFL has no obligation to Vick, and they can do whatever they want. He doesn't have a right to work for the NFL, just like Don Imus didn't have a right to work in radio. If they decide that they just don't like him, regardless of whether or not he's done anything illegal, thay can choose to not have anything to do with him. What happens in court doesn't really have anything to do with it. They can decide that they don't like the way he dresses, the way he behaves in public, the people he hangs out with, anything, and choose not to employ him.
The picture I have in my mind when I see peoples reaction to the indictment, is a picture of the old west, and the townspeople catch wind that this guy may have killed someone, so the whole town gets mad and drags this guy out of bed and in a rage you know hang em. (I'm not saying that this is a race issue) Without knowing all the facts, more of a kneejerk reaction. Sure he may be guilty, but then again he may not be.
I think this is different that Imus' nappy hair comment, that was just an off color joke, went bad. They let ray lewis (was it ray lewis) play after the murder charges. This is just a conspiracy charge about dogs.