mucous on mandarin?

shista

Member
hi everyone. i have been getting prepared for a mandarin for over a year and recently bought one. i am over careful with everything because my lfs seems pretty dirty so I put this new guy in qt and am doing a hypo treatment while feeding tigger pods. he eats well looks awesome sometimes, but more than 50% of the time he is covered in his slime and mucous with a very large amounts of sand on him. i have heard that this is normal, but this happens very often. anyone ever seen this happen?
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
He may be stressed, so check water conditions and make sure all is well on that end.
 

shista

Member
my parameters are all good... my ph was around 8.0. i added a little more buffer, but would 8.0 even be bad?
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Mandarins typically have a heavy slime coat anyways which is why they are one type of fish this isn't readily susceptible to cryptocaryon irritans (Ich). But that doesn't mean it can't happen.
p.h. 8.2-8.4 would be ideal. But 8.0 is not terrible. Keep an eye on it when in hypo. Or anytime for that matter.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
There is information out there that suggests that mandarins secrete this extra mucous that smells bad and tastes bitter to help ward off predators. If you just got this fish then that may be what it is doing since it's adjusting to it's new environment. If it's eating well and moving around I probably wouldn't stress about it too much. Just keep an eye on it, see how it goes.
 

shista

Member
he still has slime on him almost every day... he doesnt move alot but i feel like that is the personality of a mandarin... i am about to start making water changer towards a higher salinity, maybe its the hypo that is stressing him...
 

btldreef

Moderator
The hypo probably is stressing him, but the slime coat that you're witnessing is very common, and it is even more common to see it first thing in the morning. They produce this slime coat to help protect from predators.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Is the fish eating? If so I wouldn't worry but your comment that it doesn't move much has me concerned. Mandarin are never idle during daylight in my experience. If it has bits of sand in its slime then it is most likely attempting to feed, is there food for it in the tank?
 

shista

Member
NOOOO.... he was dead this morning
... i fed him half a bottle of tigger pods every day... I think it might of been the hypo because it all happened to quick for him... I want another one so bad, but am thinking about not putting him in the qt... Any input on what i should do or why he died?
 

btldreef

Moderator
Well, my stupid phone wouldn't let me edit my post yesterday and now I really feel bad that it wouldn't.
Just a thought here, should you get another mandarin, copepods, or any invert for that matter won't survive a hypo treatment. Mandarin's are one of the few fish that I do not recommend doing hypo with. If you're going to QT them, do so with live rock in a tank that has never been treated with medications and OBSERVE them, and only hypo if absolutely necessary.
 

novahobbies

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Shista, I'm so sorry for your loss -- and I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier!
I agree with TommieLynn about this fish -- Mandarins are one kind of animal that probably do not need to by hypo'ed in QT. Mandarins have a VERY thick slime coat as you already know, and they produce excess mucus when stressed. This excess mucus can actually become a health risk for the animal, because it will cover the gill opercula and prevent proper respiration. Mandarins already have partially enclosed opercula -- if you look closely you will see that they only have a small opening over their gills rather than a large gill plate. Excess slime for an extended period of time really cuts down on their oxygen levels.
Unfortunately I also had to learn this the hard way. As a point of interest, you should NEVER use the "botanical product" Kick-ICH in a mandarin tank....it increases every fish's slime coat, and was a death sentence for a Mandarin of mine some few years ago.
Since Mandarins already have a thick slime coat, they are less likely to be carriers of skin-borne parasites like ich. You can still QT them, but do so in a tank that is pH and salinity-adjusted to match your display tank. This way you can observe them for possible bacterial infections, get them used to your face in the glass, and most importantly you can begin to wean them onto frozen fare in a safe, non-competitive environment. I noticed you have a 44g tank in your profile. Is this the tank the Mandarin is going into? Do you have a refugium or sump attached to this tank? I assume you've done your research on the difficulties of this animal - you certainly sound like you have - so you probably know that 44g is pushing the lower limit of tank space for a wild caught mandarin.
Finally, I would strongly recommend that if you DO get a new one, spend a little more and look for an ORA captive-bred Green or Spotted Mandarin. These guys are more expensive than their wild-caught cousins, but they are already trained to eat frozen food, and they will not cause any additional harvesting pressure on the native stock.
Mandarins are really beautiful little creatures. A healthy Mandarin will flit around from one rock to another, hopping from point to point like a little jeweled underwater butterfly. They actually are fairly active creatures; even though they don't swim in the open, they are often on the move. If you feel you have a Mandarin-safe environment in your tank and can support the pod population (assuming you don't get a frozen-trained critter!), then I encourage you to try again. And don't forget, next time......post pics!!
 

shista

Member
hii, yes i have a 10 gallon sump running.. and i have been ready to get a mandarin for a wile,, are these ORA guaranteed to eat frozen foods? i am considering getting one, any other benefits of them?
thanks everyone
 

btldreef

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by shista http:///forum/thread/385980/mucous-on-mandarin#post_3389356
hii, yes i have a 10 gallon sump running.. and i have been ready to get a mandarin for a wile,, are these ORA guaranteed to eat frozen foods? i am considering getting one, any other benefits of them?
thanks everyone
I believe ORA does guarantee that their mandarins eat frozen, that's their big selling point. From what I've noticed, they don't swim around as much as wild caught ones do because the hunting instinct has basically been bred out of them. If you do get another one, you can still put it in a quarantine tank, just don't run hypo. Put a rock from your DT in the QT, stock with pods, etc, and place in the mandarin. Just observe it, there's no reason for hypo if you don't see anything wrong with it. While it is in the QT, you can probably get it to convert at least somewhat to frozen, which will help.
Mandarins need pods, even the ORA ones do. A lot of people that have the captive bred, frozen accepting mandarins are complaining that they don't look as healthy as wild caught as well. I believe this is partially from the lack of copepods in their diet. and people just putting them in inappropriate tank setups.
A 10G sump isn't going to supply much for a full grown mandarin. A baby will be okay, but not an adult. Do you mean 10G refugium, separate from the sump?
 

shista

Member
sorry i meant 10 gallon refugium... thanks for all the information.. i might buy a red mandarin.. do you guys know of any difference other than appearance between blue red and spotted mandarins?
 

btldreef

Moderator
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Originally Posted by shista http:///forum/thread/385980/mucous-on-mandarin#post_3389642
sorry i meant 10 gallon refugium... thanks for all the information.. i might buy a red mandarin.. do you guys know of any difference other than appearance between blue red and spotted mandarins?
From experience the Spotted Seem to be a tiny bit more aggressive, very minor, but still there. I have no idea if this is an actual trait, or just how mine have behaved. I've also noticed that the spotted for whatever reason have always been easier to get to accept frozen and also eat flatworms. I've never gotten the red to eat flatworms for me.
 

shista

Member
okay thank youu... do you think that a 10 gallon refugium with caulerpa and chaeto and LR rubble would be enough to sustain a red mandarin?
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
I would stick with just chaeto and LR rubble in the fuge, but as long as it is a dedicated fuge, then I suspect you'll be OK. I only say that because of Caulerpa's occasional habit of melting, but it's your choice. Once again, I strongly suggest you ask your LFS if they can order ORA mandarins. ORA has red mandarins as well as the common blue and spotted.
 
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