littledynam1te
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So wat your saying is I have no say in the matter even though 11-75 yr old men fought to make this contry free way back wen I can still be mad about it bro
Must be election time 'cause we need to drug test welfare people!
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littledynam1te
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Younger generations can make a difference in people's a opion and ill be voting in the next one
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/20#post_3500082
Permits for drilling are down and so are leases. You can keep repeating the lies but it doesn't make them true.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas/index.html
During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease.
Who gives a rats about drilling permits on federal lands? You can run full production of every available lease in this country, and the supply still wouldn't meet the demand. We need to get off our dependence of oil. Yoiu "Drill, Baby, Drill" radicals think drilling everything we have available will solve our energy problems. It won't. Scientists have shown that at the rate this country uses its natural oil deposits, we have enough underground to sustain our requiremnets for another 60 years, 80 tops. Won't mean crap to you and me, but your great grandkids will be wondering why they have to spend $25/gallon for gas, if they can even find it. I have bigger fish to fry than have to worry about paying an extra 30 cents/gallon right now for gas. A tank of gas in my car lasts me almost 2 weeks. Same with my wife and kids. Shoot, my co-worker who has a Volt said he put $20 worth in his car for the first time in almost 2 months. His commute is about 30 miles a day, and as a "hyper-miler", he's getting right at 50 miles per charge. His car calculates that he gets an average of 220 MPG, and his home electric bill went up $15 last month. You whine because you can't get gas for $2/gallon anymore. Hate to burst your bubble, but that ship has sailed.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/20#post_3500082
Permits for drilling are down and so are leases. You can keep repeating the lies but it doesn't make them true.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas/index.html
During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease.
Who gives a rats about drilling permits on federal lands? You can run full production of every available lease in this country, and the supply still wouldn't meet the demand. We need to get off our dependence of oil. Yoiu "Drill, Baby, Drill" radicals think drilling everything we have available will solve our energy problems. It won't. Scientists have shown that at the rate this country uses its natural oil deposits, we have enough underground to sustain our requiremnets for another 60 years, 80 tops. Won't mean crap to you and me, but your great grandkids will be wondering why they have to spend $25/gallon for gas, if they can even find it. I have bigger fish to fry than have to worry about paying an extra 30 cents/gallon right now for gas. A tank of gas in my car lasts me almost 2 weeks. Same with my wife and kids. Shoot, my co-worker who has a Volt said he put $20 worth in his car for the first time in almost 2 months. His commute is about 30 miles a day, and as a "hyper-miler", he's getting right at 50 miles per charge. His car calculates that he gets an average of 220 MPG, and his home electric bill went up $15 last month. You whine because you can't get gas for $2/gallon anymore. Hate to burst your bubble, but that ship has sailed.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by LITTLEDYNAM1TE http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500091
Younger generations can make a difference in people's a opion and ill be voting in the next one
Try paying more attention in your English class. Your spelling and grammatical errors are horrendous. Want to make an impression on someone and sound believable? Write in a manner where it doesn't make you look like a 8 year old (unless that's how old you are).
Originally Posted by LITTLEDYNAM1TE http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500091
Younger generations can make a difference in people's a opion and ill be voting in the next one
Try paying more attention in your English class. Your spelling and grammatical errors are horrendous. Want to make an impression on someone and sound believable? Write in a manner where it doesn't make you look like a 8 year old (unless that's how old you are).
littledynam1te
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It not tht my keys on this iPad are all messed up so autocorrect changes everything
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500096
Who gives a rats about drilling permits on federal lands? You can run full production of every available lease in this country, and the supply still wouldn't meet the demand. We need to get off our dependence of oil. Yoiu "Drill, Baby, Drill" radicals think drilling everything we have available will solve our energy problems. It won't. Scientists have shown that at the rate this country uses its natural oil deposits, we have enough underground to sustain our requiremnets for another 60 years, 80 tops. Won't mean crap to you and me, but your great grandkids will be wondering why they have to spend $25/gallon for gas, if they can even find it. I have bigger fish to fry than have to worry about paying an extra 30 cents/gallon right now for gas. A tank of gas in my car lasts me almost 2 weeks. Same with my wife and kids. Shoot, my co-worker who has a Volt said he put $20 worth in his car for the first time in almost 2 months. His commute is about 30 miles a day, and as a "hyper-miler", he's getting right at 50 miles per charge. His car calculates that he gets an average of 220 MPG, and his home electric bill went up $15 last month. You whine because you can't get gas for $2/gallon anymore. Hate to burst your bubble, but that ship has sailed.
So first you argue permitting isn't down and now that you are shown wrong it doesn't matter LOL!!!
You anti oil extremists need to get a clue. Electric cars are 20 years away, at least. Your friend might be able to get 50 miles per charge driving like a dork but lets see what happens when he gets a couple years on the battery or goes through a cold winter. I've done the math 20 ways to Sunday and even a Hybrid wont pay for itself in less than 10 years and that's without factoring in a battery replacement or any major component malfunctions and that's an overly optimistic assumption
We can become American energy independent pretty easy. Canada and South America have a lot of oil. If we exploit all of our productive lands not only does it CREATE J O B S, It makes money for the government through lease fees and royalties. The government should also stop pushing the volt which is a horrible deal and instead start buying Natural Gas vehicles. That technology is already viable today and just needs more infrastructure, filling stations. But even without them you can still revert back to gasoline if a NG station isn't available. There is no quick charge battery so electric cars are not an option for longer trips. Some day the government is going to pull it's head out its azz and end corn subsidies and start shifting ethanol production over to celluostic production. That spreads the potential production areas across the nation instead of isolating it in the midwest. We should also be using coal gasification. That creates a clean burning fuel that can run a diesel or jet engine. Hello? Built in customer. What government agency goes through a ton of gas and diesel???
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500096
Who gives a rats about drilling permits on federal lands? You can run full production of every available lease in this country, and the supply still wouldn't meet the demand. We need to get off our dependence of oil. Yoiu "Drill, Baby, Drill" radicals think drilling everything we have available will solve our energy problems. It won't. Scientists have shown that at the rate this country uses its natural oil deposits, we have enough underground to sustain our requiremnets for another 60 years, 80 tops. Won't mean crap to you and me, but your great grandkids will be wondering why they have to spend $25/gallon for gas, if they can even find it. I have bigger fish to fry than have to worry about paying an extra 30 cents/gallon right now for gas. A tank of gas in my car lasts me almost 2 weeks. Same with my wife and kids. Shoot, my co-worker who has a Volt said he put $20 worth in his car for the first time in almost 2 months. His commute is about 30 miles a day, and as a "hyper-miler", he's getting right at 50 miles per charge. His car calculates that he gets an average of 220 MPG, and his home electric bill went up $15 last month. You whine because you can't get gas for $2/gallon anymore. Hate to burst your bubble, but that ship has sailed.
So first you argue permitting isn't down and now that you are shown wrong it doesn't matter LOL!!!
You anti oil extremists need to get a clue. Electric cars are 20 years away, at least. Your friend might be able to get 50 miles per charge driving like a dork but lets see what happens when he gets a couple years on the battery or goes through a cold winter. I've done the math 20 ways to Sunday and even a Hybrid wont pay for itself in less than 10 years and that's without factoring in a battery replacement or any major component malfunctions and that's an overly optimistic assumption
We can become American energy independent pretty easy. Canada and South America have a lot of oil. If we exploit all of our productive lands not only does it CREATE J O B S, It makes money for the government through lease fees and royalties. The government should also stop pushing the volt which is a horrible deal and instead start buying Natural Gas vehicles. That technology is already viable today and just needs more infrastructure, filling stations. But even without them you can still revert back to gasoline if a NG station isn't available. There is no quick charge battery so electric cars are not an option for longer trips. Some day the government is going to pull it's head out its azz and end corn subsidies and start shifting ethanol production over to celluostic production. That spreads the potential production areas across the nation instead of isolating it in the midwest. We should also be using coal gasification. That creates a clean burning fuel that can run a diesel or jet engine. Hello? Built in customer. What government agency goes through a ton of gas and diesel???
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500102
So first you argue permitting isn't down and now that you are shown wrong it doesn't matter LOL!!!
You anti oil extremists need to get a clue. Electric cars are 20 years away, at least. Your friend might be able to get 50 miles per charge driving like a dork but lets see what happens when he gets a couple years on the battery or goes through a cold winter. I've done the math 20 ways to Sunday and even a Hybrid wont pay for itself in less than 10 years and that's without factoring in a battery replacement or any major component malfunctions and that's an overly optimistic assumption
We can become American energy independent pretty easy. Canada and South America have a lot of oil. If we exploit all of our productive lands not only does it CREATE J O B S, It makes money for the government through lease fees and royalties. The government should also stop pushing the volt which is a horrible deal and instead start buying Natural Gas vehicles. That technology is already viable today and just needs more infrastructure, filling stations. But even without them you can still revert back to gasoline if a NG station isn't available. There is no quick charge battery so electric cars are not an option for longer trips. Some day the government is going to pull it's head out its azz and end corn subsidies and start shifting ethanol production over to celluostic production. That spreads the potential production areas across the nation instead of isolating it in the midwest. We should also be using coal gasification. That creates a clean burning fuel that can run a diesel or jet engine. Hello? Built in customer. What government agency goes through a ton of gas and diesel???
Whose an "anti oil extremist"? Bottom line, oil is not an unlimited source that's lying underneath the ground. It will be gone some day.
Job creation and taxes. Yea right. The oil industry is geared towards a specific sector of the job population. You have to work in rural areas, and in some not so favorable conditions. I suppose if you have no other alternatives it would be a good job to have, but the majority of people looking for jobs these days want to live in urban settings, working inside (preferably something in the technical field). We have the Eagle Ford Shale Project here in Texas booming like gang busters. However, the job turnover rate is pretty high. The workers also have to face being away from their families, and living in unfavorable housing conditions. Most people these days wouldn't last a week in that environment.
Driving like a dork?
The guy does 65 - 70 on the highway. What part of "Full replacement of batteries for 6 years or 100,000 miles" don't you understand? My Hybrid costs me $2500 more over the same model that was all gas. I'm getting around 8MPG better than I would for a gas version of the Sonata. Is that a significant amount? Considering I only drive around 13,000/year, it's not something that will allow me to retire early. You "oil gluttons" try your best to debunk the Hybrid/Electric technology. Why I don't have a clue. Maybe because you like driving the Monster trucks that get 12 - 15 MPG (I traded a 5.6L Nissan Titan in for my Sonata)?
I think Natural Gas is an excellent option. Question would be why the auto manufacturers aren't on board with it. Maybe because the oil industry doesn't want the competition? Their profits margins are WAY bigger on conventional gas than they'd get for natural gas. They couldn't justify charging $3/btu (or whatever the unit of measure is for NG) because of the massive supplies of that resource. Then's there's the cost to revamp all your gas stations over to NG. Auto manufacturer's would have to do a redesign on the engine and fuel system, which would expand their costs to produce the vehicle. You'd then have to get the public on-board with this technology. Even if you provided conversion kits, you'd be looking at a minimum of 5 years before you'd see that market grow. What's the performance like on a car using NG? I know San Antonio uses NG on their buses and several of their city vehicles. But what are the downsides to having a car run on NG?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500102
So first you argue permitting isn't down and now that you are shown wrong it doesn't matter LOL!!!
You anti oil extremists need to get a clue. Electric cars are 20 years away, at least. Your friend might be able to get 50 miles per charge driving like a dork but lets see what happens when he gets a couple years on the battery or goes through a cold winter. I've done the math 20 ways to Sunday and even a Hybrid wont pay for itself in less than 10 years and that's without factoring in a battery replacement or any major component malfunctions and that's an overly optimistic assumption
We can become American energy independent pretty easy. Canada and South America have a lot of oil. If we exploit all of our productive lands not only does it CREATE J O B S, It makes money for the government through lease fees and royalties. The government should also stop pushing the volt which is a horrible deal and instead start buying Natural Gas vehicles. That technology is already viable today and just needs more infrastructure, filling stations. But even without them you can still revert back to gasoline if a NG station isn't available. There is no quick charge battery so electric cars are not an option for longer trips. Some day the government is going to pull it's head out its azz and end corn subsidies and start shifting ethanol production over to celluostic production. That spreads the potential production areas across the nation instead of isolating it in the midwest. We should also be using coal gasification. That creates a clean burning fuel that can run a diesel or jet engine. Hello? Built in customer. What government agency goes through a ton of gas and diesel???
Whose an "anti oil extremist"? Bottom line, oil is not an unlimited source that's lying underneath the ground. It will be gone some day.
Job creation and taxes. Yea right. The oil industry is geared towards a specific sector of the job population. You have to work in rural areas, and in some not so favorable conditions. I suppose if you have no other alternatives it would be a good job to have, but the majority of people looking for jobs these days want to live in urban settings, working inside (preferably something in the technical field). We have the Eagle Ford Shale Project here in Texas booming like gang busters. However, the job turnover rate is pretty high. The workers also have to face being away from their families, and living in unfavorable housing conditions. Most people these days wouldn't last a week in that environment.
Driving like a dork?
I think Natural Gas is an excellent option. Question would be why the auto manufacturers aren't on board with it. Maybe because the oil industry doesn't want the competition? Their profits margins are WAY bigger on conventional gas than they'd get for natural gas. They couldn't justify charging $3/btu (or whatever the unit of measure is for NG) because of the massive supplies of that resource. Then's there's the cost to revamp all your gas stations over to NG. Auto manufacturer's would have to do a redesign on the engine and fuel system, which would expand their costs to produce the vehicle. You'd then have to get the public on-board with this technology. Even if you provided conversion kits, you'd be looking at a minimum of 5 years before you'd see that market grow. What's the performance like on a car using NG? I know San Antonio uses NG on their buses and several of their city vehicles. But what are the downsides to having a car run on NG?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500105
Whose an "anti oil extremist"? Bottom line, oil is not an unlimited source that's lying underneath the ground. It will be gone some day. And some day a lot sooner we'll have alternative technology that makes sense. Until them we should take advantage of what we have.
Job creation and taxes. Yea right. The oil industry is geared towards a specific sector of the job population. You have to work in rural areas, and in some not so favorable conditions. I suppose if you have no other alternatives it would be a good job to have, but the majority of people looking for jobs these days want to live in urban settings, working inside (preferably something in the technical field). We have the Eagle Ford Shale Project here in Texas booming like gang busters. However, the job turnover rate is pretty high. The workers also have to face being away from their families, and living in unfavorable housing conditions. Most people these days wouldn't last a week in that environment.
Still plenty of takers. Lot of people don't want to live in the urban filth, I am one of them. We are only in the meteo area because the close in rural housing is crazy expensive.
Driving like a dork?
The guy does 65 - 70 on the highway. What part of "Full replacement of batteries for 6 years or 100,000 miles" don't you understand? My Hybrid costs me $2500 more over the same model that was all gas. I'm getting around 8MPG better than I would for a gas version of the Sonata. Is that a significant amount? Considering I only drive around 13,000/year, it's not something that will allow me to retire early. You "oil gluttons" try your best to debunk the Hybrid/Electric technology. Why I don't have a clue. Maybe because you like driving the Monster trucks that get 12 - 15 MPG (I traded a 5.6L Nissan Titan in for my Sonata)?
You must not have ridden with your hyper mileage chum around town. What part of 10 years don't you get? If the battery remains servicable beyond the 6th year once it dies you are on the hook. But let's assume you dump the car after 5 years. 65000 miles at 32 MPG which is better than most road tests are showing for mileage. At 3.30 a gallon thats 6703.00. A gaser getting 24 MPG would cost 8937. Even if gas stays above 3 bux a gallon after 5 years the savings doesn't recoup your original investment. And those numbers are generous towards your case. Two different road tests show mileage at 29 plus combined and Kia is being sued for overstating mileage.
I think Natural Gas is an excellent option. Question would be why the auto manufacturers aren't on board with it. Maybe because the oil industry doesn't want the competition? Their profits margins are WAY bigger on conventional gas than they'd get for natural gas. They couldn't justify charging $3/btu (or whatever the unit of measure is for NG) because of the massive supplies of that resource. Then's there's the cost to revamp all your gas stations over to NG. Auto manufacturer's would have to do a redesign on the engine and fuel system, which would expand their costs to produce the vehicle. You'd then have to get the public on-board with this technology. Even if you provided conversion kits, you'd be looking at a minimum of 5 years before you'd see that market grow. What's the performance like on a car using NG? I know San Antonio uses NG on their buses and several of their city vehicles. But what are the downsides to having a car run on NG?
Lack of filling stations is one thing holding them back. Colorado, Oklahoma and I think Wyoming have an agreement to start buying NG for government vehicles. There are stations around and more are cropping up. You can also get a filling unit for your house. Honda has a NG civic and GM has a Pickup. Mileage is slightly less buy more than ethanol. Performance isn't greatly different. Back In high school a friend had a 66 Galaxy with a 390 running on nat gas. At the time it had over 90K miles on it and had a lifter collapse. When the mechanic pulled the valve cover he said it looked like a nearly new engine inside.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500105
Whose an "anti oil extremist"? Bottom line, oil is not an unlimited source that's lying underneath the ground. It will be gone some day. And some day a lot sooner we'll have alternative technology that makes sense. Until them we should take advantage of what we have.
Job creation and taxes. Yea right. The oil industry is geared towards a specific sector of the job population. You have to work in rural areas, and in some not so favorable conditions. I suppose if you have no other alternatives it would be a good job to have, but the majority of people looking for jobs these days want to live in urban settings, working inside (preferably something in the technical field). We have the Eagle Ford Shale Project here in Texas booming like gang busters. However, the job turnover rate is pretty high. The workers also have to face being away from their families, and living in unfavorable housing conditions. Most people these days wouldn't last a week in that environment.
Still plenty of takers. Lot of people don't want to live in the urban filth, I am one of them. We are only in the meteo area because the close in rural housing is crazy expensive.
Driving like a dork?
You must not have ridden with your hyper mileage chum around town. What part of 10 years don't you get? If the battery remains servicable beyond the 6th year once it dies you are on the hook. But let's assume you dump the car after 5 years. 65000 miles at 32 MPG which is better than most road tests are showing for mileage. At 3.30 a gallon thats 6703.00. A gaser getting 24 MPG would cost 8937. Even if gas stays above 3 bux a gallon after 5 years the savings doesn't recoup your original investment. And those numbers are generous towards your case. Two different road tests show mileage at 29 plus combined and Kia is being sued for overstating mileage.
I think Natural Gas is an excellent option. Question would be why the auto manufacturers aren't on board with it. Maybe because the oil industry doesn't want the competition? Their profits margins are WAY bigger on conventional gas than they'd get for natural gas. They couldn't justify charging $3/btu (or whatever the unit of measure is for NG) because of the massive supplies of that resource. Then's there's the cost to revamp all your gas stations over to NG. Auto manufacturer's would have to do a redesign on the engine and fuel system, which would expand their costs to produce the vehicle. You'd then have to get the public on-board with this technology. Even if you provided conversion kits, you'd be looking at a minimum of 5 years before you'd see that market grow. What's the performance like on a car using NG? I know San Antonio uses NG on their buses and several of their city vehicles. But what are the downsides to having a car run on NG?
Lack of filling stations is one thing holding them back. Colorado, Oklahoma and I think Wyoming have an agreement to start buying NG for government vehicles. There are stations around and more are cropping up. You can also get a filling unit for your house. Honda has a NG civic and GM has a Pickup. Mileage is slightly less buy more than ethanol. Performance isn't greatly different. Back In high school a friend had a 66 Galaxy with a 390 running on nat gas. At the time it had over 90K miles on it and had a lifter collapse. When the mechanic pulled the valve cover he said it looked like a nearly new engine inside.
mantisman51
Active Member
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." It's been attributed to Tocqeville and Alexander Tytler, but it is what happened yesterday.
theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500147
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." It's been attributed to Tocqeville and Alexander Tytler, but it is what happened yesterday.
Couldn't have been said any better...
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/393422/must-be-election-time-cause-we-need-to-drug-test-welfare-people/40#post_3500147
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." It's been attributed to Tocqeville and Alexander Tytler, but it is what happened yesterday.
Couldn't have been said any better...