Must have thought she was an intruder...

(AP) -- A Pennsylvania soccer mom was chatting with a friend via webcam when she was shot to death by her husband, who then went upstairs and shot himself, police said Friday.
Pistol-packing soccer mom Meleanie Hain was shot dead while chatting with a friend on a webcam, police said.
Pistol-packing soccer mom Meleanie Hain was shot dead while chatting with a friend on a webcam, police said.
Meleanie Hain, 31, made national headlines last year as the mother who carried a loaded, holstered handgun to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game.
She was found dead in her Lebanon, Pennsylvania, home along with her husband, Scott Hain, 33, on Wednesday evening, Lebanon police said.
Hain was in her kitchen talking with a friend via webcam just before her death, police said. Video Watch why Hain caused controversy »
The friend, who police will not name, was looking away from the computer screen when he heard a shot and a scream, police said. He turned back to the monitor, he told police, and no longer saw Meleanie Hain but instead saw Scott Hain firing several rounds from a handgun toward where his wife had been.
Police said that the woman's body had already fallen to the floor by the time the friend turned back to the screen.
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Scott Hain then went upstairs to a bedroom, where he shot himself in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun, police said.
Meleanie Hain was shot several times with a 9 mm handgun, police said. Her fully loaded 9 mm handgun was found in her backpack hanging on the back of the front door.
The couple's three children were home at the time of the killings, police Capt. Daniel Wright said. They were unharmed and took refuge at a neighbor's house before police arrived, he said.
Investigators have confiscated the webcam and computer, but cannot review what the friend says he saw because the online conversation was not recorded.
The death of the couple came four months after Meleanie Hain told her attorney she was separating from her husband, her attorney, Matthew B. Weisberg, told CNN Thursday. However, police said the couple still appeared to be living together.
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Meleanie Hain drew media attention on September 11, 2008, when she carried a Glock strapped to her belt to her daughter's soccer game.
Nine days later her permit to carry a gun was revoked by Lebanon County Sheriff Michael DeLeo, who claimed she showed poor judgment by wearing the weapon to a child's game. County Judge Robert Eby later reinstated the permit.

Yet more compelling evidence that guns in the home are "safe". And on top of that, the kids were actually home when this all went down. So not only does a gun literally end two lives, but it also messes up these kids for the rest of theirs.
Good thing there were guns in the home.
 

meowzer

Moderator
So the gun got up ....all by itself...and shot the people....hmmmmm...
Maybe we should ban kitchen knives too...how many people die due to being stabbed
 

lovethesea

Active Member
people kill people.....period. If guns were outlawed, he could have strangled her.....rope outlawed? Knvies, swords, axes, hammers, snakes(venomous of course) posion etc.
he was going to kill her no matter what.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3151922
people kill people.....period. If guns were outlawed, he could have strangled her.....rope outlawed? Knvies, swords, axes, hammers, snakes(venomous of course) posion etc.
he was going to kill her no matter what.
That concept is a little tough for some to grasp.
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by choprjohn
http:///forum/post/3151927
Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat !
Heh, well, I wouldn't think that the guy would kill his wife unless she deserved it....
Then again, that's a terrible waste of life.
 

zman1

Active Member
Appears to be a crime of passion. Live by the sword, die by the sword... (or Gun in this case)
"Meleanie Hain drew media attention on September 11, 2008, when she carried a Glock strapped to her belt to her daughter's soccer game."
A Fanatic IMO coming from a person than is a legal multiple firearm owner.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3151944
Appears to be a crime of passion. Live by the sword, die by the sword... (or Gun in this case)
"Meleanie Hain drew media attention on September 11, 2008, when she carried a Glock strapped to her belt to her daughter's soccer game."
A Fanatic IMO coming from a person than is a legal multiple firearm owner.
I don't think the majority of firearms enthusiasts would argue with that.
 

nigerbang

Active Member
I have always had guns in my house.. A lot of guns infact.. No one has ever been killed here... Just more garbage pointing out lunatics in hopes of furthering thier personal agenda...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3151955
Fanatic - Just semantics
I have enough rifles and pistols that I can't give you an exact count without going and looking. I am no fanatic, I collect. I bet you that couple doesn't have half as many as I do.
I know some owners who I would consider pretty fanatical, they would even go so far as to argue the woman had a right to take the gun to the games, but I doubt if any of them would do so personally. Maybe she lives in a area infested with anti-gunners and was trying to make a point, dunno but if that was the case there are a lot better ways of doing it.

I just feel bad for their kids. What have they gone through before this happened? I am a pretty modern kinda guy as far as respecting my wife's right to be her own person but if she had ever tried to take a pistol to one of the kid's football games I would have went 1695 on her without a second thought. Those two must have been a real pair to draw to.
 

angler man

Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/3151963
I have always had guns in my house.. A lot of guns in fact.. No one has ever been killed here... Just more garbage pointing out lunatics in hopes of furthering their personal agenda...
Yup. Liberal morons use this all of the time, what they don't understand is it's the person, not the gun. These are the same people using the same logic that pens misspell words.
I remember reading a statistic a while ago that Great Britian had a very small amount of moralities by guns. What they did have was an enormous amount of moralities by knives.
What does this show the average person not lacking in the common sense department?
 

mantisman51

Active Member
I have got rid of most of my guns, but I have had as many as 19 rifles and pistols. I now have 3-well my son has 3 also to think about it. I sold my 3 AK's and have a .357, 12 gauge and my #'s matching 1952 Russian SKS. Oh no! The dangerous "assault rifle". Hide the women and children! Point is, ain't nobody done nothin ta nobody in a home with so many EVIL guns. Oh wait, I bought and stored a Russian Moissan Nagant 93/30 7.62x54 mm WWII sniper rifle.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
If it wasn't for the hill folk, Ohio would be another Massachusetts. Yeah, I lived there-Reynoldsburg-for four years.
 
See, I don't buy the "he would have killed her anyways" argument. To pull the trigger takes three tenths of a second. If he walks in and sees his wife chatting it up with some other guy on a webcam, that "moment of rage" is a lot easier to commit murder if he can point and pull the trigger without having time to think about what he's doing. Not to mention at least the wife would have had a slim chance to defend herself if he was stabbing/choking/punching etc.
In my opinion, the negatives have always outweighed the positives as far as handguns go. You can look at the numbers each and every year, and it never fails that there are more intentional murders and accidental deaths from registered handguns than there are "self defense" shots fired or any other form of "protection".
I don't want to turn this into a "what about the drug dealers and criminals" argument, because honestly that's not an apples to apples argument for most of us on this board. I suppose if you are living in the hood I get your point, but my guess is most of you don't.
I think what really bothers most gun owners is that they are afraid their "rights" are going to be taken away some day. You can have a bear arms, I get it.
What I don't get is why any one person needs "x" number of guns in your home. To the poster who said they had too many to count off the top of your head...
Why? Under what circumstance would you ever need that many weapons? It doesn't make any sense to me. Unless you are forming a militia, or about to go Oceans Eleven on us, why in the world would you need, or more importantly, want
that many weapons?
Whatever reason(s) you come up with can't be as important as the fact that there is a 99% chance any of those guns will be discharged on accident before they will be used for protection.
How many more "little Johnny Miller, 9 years old was found shot to death by his friend after they got into his fathers closet" stories do you need?
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3151922
people kill people.....period. If guns were outlawed, he could have strangled her.....rope outlawed? Knvies, swords, axes, hammers, snakes(venomous of course) posion etc.
he was going to kill her no matter what.
Reefraff thinks this is a stretch...I agree with you, this was a murder suicide. Who knows what the rest of the story is. Poor kids.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
Because it is America and we can own as many as we want. How many "Johnny Miller ran out into the street and got hit by a car" stories do you need to hear before you get it? Why does anyone need so many cars for? 99% what(!)? Dude put the cool aid down and step away from the Brady. How many crimes are thwarted with no violence from the mere presence of a gun? If a man is that afraid of a dang tool, I suggest getting testosterone shots. A normal American guy isn't as sniveling , and uh fortitudinally challenged as some people would suggest. So bad people have guns-SO WHAT? They always will. Some folks need to grow a pair and get over themselves.
 
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3152192
Because it is America and we can own as many as we want. How many "Johnny Miller ran out into the street and got hit by a car" stories do you need to hear before you get it? Why does anyone need so many cars for? 99% what(!)? Dude put the cool aid down and step away from the Brady. How many crimes are thwarted with no violence from the mere presence of a gun? If a man is that afraid of a dang tool, I suggest getting testosterone shots. A normal American guy isn't as sniveling , and uh fortitudinally challenged as the OP would suggest So bad people have guns-SO WHAT? They always will.
Cars do a lot of good. Like, you know, basically make the country run. Can't say the same for guns.
And yes, this is America. So by all means lets hang on to antiquated rules that were written in the 1700's! Come to think of it, I could get a lot more done if I had some slaves, and there sure as heck would be a Republican in office if those pesky women couldn't vote! And while we're at it, do the colored folk and non property owners really
deserve a say in things...
 

mantisman51

Active Member
Hee hee, none of those things are or were in the Constitution. But another red herring exposed. Thomas Jefferson said that the difference between a citizen and a subject is the private ownership of firearms. Let's not be emotional, let's be plain. You are afraid of guns, therefore , in your mind, they should be banned. Dude, I am so glad I don't live in your realm of fear and paranoia and the founders of our country and most folks since don't/didn't either.
 

crypt keeper

Active Member
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3152183
See, I don't buy the "he would have killed her anyways" argument. To pull the trigger takes three tenths of a second. If he walks in and sees his wife chatting it up with some other guy on a webcam, that "moment of rage" is a lot easier to commit murder if he can point and pull the trigger without having time to think about what he's doing. Not to mention at least the wife would have had a slim
chance to defend herself if he was stabbing/choking/punching etc.
How many more "little Johnny Miller, 9 years old was found shot to death by his friend after they got into his fathers closet" stories do you need?
I do. He could had hit her in the head with a bat or hammer and it would be neded just as fast. People who use guns IMO are less crazy than somebody who takes a knife and stabs his wife 85 times. That issuffering. How would you rather die?
Also there are over 300,000,000 people in this country. People die everyday from a variety of things. Accidental shootings are a fraction of those deaths. You start arresting parents for not locking up guns correctly. Give em 10 years in jail when a kid dies you will start to see parents no longer forgetting about the gun under the matress.
 
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