My little blue spotted jawfish is sick-ich?

tkucifer

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Thank you to those of you who gave good advice, and to those who only berated me for what I didn't know: thbbbpt!
He was obviously dying in the hospital tank--wouldn't eat, too stressed, losing lots of weight, etc. despite adding some SAND and a small rock (which he did enjoy).
My options were very limited: 1: keep him in the HT where I was sure he would die, 2: replace him in the original DT with the sand/CC blend, 3: replace the substrate in the DT with all sand and risk all the other inhabitants of that tank or 4: add him to the upstairs tank which has a sand bed but whose water parameters leave much to be desired (the rescued tank is in another thread-suffice it to say NO3 and phos are very high despite multiple BIG water changes). I decided to take a chance upstairs and moved him three days ago. I acclimated him over two hours since the water would be a big difference for him and he immediately went under a rock and stayed there. Two days ago I saw him poke his head out briefly then go back, and yesterday he was burrowing and eating again. The other problem with that tank is its lack of a lid, and as any JF owner can tell you that's a recipe for disaster. So this weekend's DIY project is to get the tank covered with a screen lid.
I'm still guarded about his prognosis but more hopeful. It's somewhat disappointing not to see him so often, but I'd rather he be happy and healthy and MIA than hurting in the old tank.
Anyway, that's the update. In the future, I'll start with sand in all my new tanks but when you're a noob like me you have to trust what the seemingly knowledgeable LFS experts tell you!
 

spanko

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Is his body looking any better though? Tis natural for him to be hiding for a while until he sets up his home. Is his burrow out in front where once he settles in you will be able to see him? Hope he makes it. Yeah get a top on as soon as you can because anything that startles him may cause him to go into launch mode.
 

beth

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So at least he is doing better. Why are the nitrates so high in the current tank?
Personally, I stopped keeping gobies for their jumping habbits. Even with the tank as covered as I could get it, they still seem to find a way out.
For the most part knowledge at the LFS is limited at best. With all the help you can find on the internet, in forums such as this one, that is really your best bet. Plusing reading good books.
 

1snapple

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I just started t a new tank for the first time (got the cycle started) but I put CC then fiberglass mesh, then some live sand on top, If I make the sand on top 3 inches deep could I keep a Blue spotted jawfish?
 

beth

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The problem with the cc is that it traps detritus, making it difficult for your system to process out nitrates (complete the nitrogen cycle).
 

1snapple

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so how would I go about removing the CC? and would it trap detritus even cover by fiberglass mesh and sand?
 

tkucifer

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Well, to start out, our little jawfish died. I will miss him; he was a very entertaining and fun little guy.
My LFS is Aquatouch, actually endorsed by Bob Fenner. They have a pretty big research facility off site too, so I usually feel pretty confident in their advice.
The nitrates are high upstairs because we bought the tank as-is from Craig's List on August 31. The first time I tested the water the parameters were:
pH 8.65, SG 1.020 by refractometer, NO2 0.2, NO3 ~100 (but difficult to read at that level, maxed out the chart), KH off the charts (Salifert goes to 16, if adding values is useful it was about 22), Ca 620 when measured by 1/2 strength dilution, and PO4 ~3 (not a typo). I've been doing big water changes frequently and the numbers are far better but they are still a long way from optimal. I also inherited two clowns, a damsel and a small chromis who are doing well in that tank. I haven't added anything but a CUC and mechanical filtration but moved the BSJ in an act of desperation.
I had tried lots of forums, books, Google searches etc. with little help. Beth, your article about HTs was a big help but it was still too little, too late for my little guy.
 

beth

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Well, I can't speak specifically to the quality of that LFS, but I can say that crushed coral is by any standards a negative decision, especially if you plan to keep sand bed creatures such as fish that burrow. Dealing with nitrates will also be made more difficult and challenging in a cc sandbed.
To remove a CC bed, you are nearly to start over. I'd use a large rectangular rubbermaids to house the fish, live rock and cycled tank water during the process. Siphon and retain as much of your original water as possible. Remove the cc and replace it with sand. Add at least some live sand to the top layer if you plan to use mostly dry sand. Replace with water that is not in the temporary holding rubbermaid containing your LR and animals. Then add in you LR. Add more made up water as needed. Let this circulate for at least 2 days while the sand settles. Test water for ammonia and nitrites. If that is zero, acclimate your fish and other animals back into the tank.
Needless to say the temporary holding tanks will need good circulation with at least powerheads.
 

levinjac

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i have cc i agree its not the best but i vacume out once a month and never have problems with nitrates the highest ever was 20 maybe 15 damn api hard to read test and i would not recomend it to people with things like buiryers and sand shifters but if it is well mantained it should be ok
 

beth

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You can not have sandbed inverts, snails, worms, and such. Now if that is ok, and you don't mind the nitrate challenge, then keep the cc.
 

beth

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I will say that sandbed snails would be the most offended or scarified by cc, but most snails spend some time on substrate.
 
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