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shogun323

shogun323

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Had a blast at the race. I have never seen so many Jr. fans in my life. I'd say 50% of the peeps had on Jr gear. It was nutz. You should have heard the whole place erupt in applause when Busch got caught up in the wreck. I loved it and partook of course.
The rain sucked. It ruined a great race. It also cost us the opportunity to fly over to Daytona instead of the dreaded drive across the state with all the the other 150,00 people trying to park in the same vicinity.
We sat on the superstretch 28 rows up. Good times. I can't wait to go back!!!!
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957450
No, not at all. Both DW and Larry both heavily condemned Jr. right after it happened. McReynolds said about 4 times 'that was really uncalled for.' However after they finally interviewed Jr., I love how they flipflopped, and then agreed 100% with Jr.
That was the reason Jr. was not parked. It's a judgement call. Just like when Todd Bodine lost it in the Truck race and took out 7 or 8 top cars, not just like 2 with Vickers, he wasn't penalized, but Jason Leffler was held 5 laps(clip). Leffler was painfully obvious. He turned right for no reason. Earnhardt had already be hit by Vickers, and he did or didn't have control, who knows. The bottom line is he couldn't say down on the apron for ever, when he came back up, clipped Vickers.
watching them both happen live. I completely disagree. I thought lefler shouldn't have been parked. But if they were going to park Lefler, Jr. REALLY needed to get parked. And please, everyone has that rule. If Jr. was a rookie, I'd feel sorry for him parking on the line. But this isn't Dover, or Martinsville and he isn't a rookie.
 
t316

t316

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To clarify, I'm not saying that Jr. should not have been held for the pit stop line violation. Just the opposite, like stdreb said, he is not a rookie, it is a clear cut rule, he violated it, so he got the penalty for it. I was just saying that IF they were showing favoratism, that would have been an easy one to let slide.
I will succomb to the agreement with some of you that it does sometimes appear that the announcer's tone of voice can be different between say, a careless rookie verses a veteran like Jr., I mean over half of their fan base is behind the guy, which one of them wants to be the bad guy on the air slamming him. But I really don't believe this was intentional.
 
spiderwoman

spiderwoman

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2957335
And they held Jr. for 1 lap for being 1/4" on the white line on a pit stop. If they were showing favoratism, that would have been the time to do it. Not saying it wasn't a bad move, but I don't think it was intentional. Yes, he was frustrated, and that block move just pissed him off even more, but I really think he was just trying to move back up and run on Vickers' rear end, not spin him out.
What really happened in this case is yes the tire was on the line, but their big mistake was to shove the Official. He might have been able to get away with the line, but when you push the Official, that you can't get away with. Hubby explained it in detail when he got home last night.
If he had backed into the box to get the tire off the line, the shoving of the Official was still a penalty.
Sucky race for me point wise. That one wreck did it for me.
 
rebelprettyboy

rebelprettyboy

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Originally Posted by shogun323
http:///forum/post/2957532
Had a blast at the race. I have never seen so many Jr. fans in my life. I'd say 50% of the peeps had on Jr gear. It was nutz. You should have heard the whole place erupt in applause when Busch got caught up in the wreck. I loved it and partook of course.
The rain sucked. It ruined a great race. It also cost us the opportunity to fly over to Daytona instead of the dreaded drive across the state with all the the other 150,00 people trying to park in the same vicinity.
We sat on the superstretch 28 rows up. Good times. I can't wait to go back!!!!
Y so many haters on busch? Hes a great driver...
And why so many fans for Jr? CUz of his name and dad... If it wasnt for that he would be a nobdoy, just a regualr daytona 500 winner a fw yrs ago... Thats it...
If he was Dale Smith how many fans would he have?
 
rebelprettyboy

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Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2957595
What really happened in this case is yes the tire was on the line, but their big mistake was to shove the Official. He might have been able to get away with the line, but when you push the Official, that you can't get away with. Hubby explained it in detail when he got home last night.
If he had backed into the box to get the tire off the line, the shoving of the Official was still a penalty.
Sucky race for me point wise. That one wreck did it for me.
Yeah pushing the officail did it for them...
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2957553
watching them both happen live. I completely disagree. I thought lefler shouldn't have been parked. But if they were going to park Lefler, Jr. REALLY needed to get parked. And please, everyone has that rule. If Jr. was a rookie, I'd feel sorry for him parking on the line. But this isn't Dover, or Martinsville and he isn't a rookie.
How? Honestly how? Leffler turned right without any just cause. Their situation had already been handled after turn 1. Junior had been *HIT* by Vickers and knocked down onto the apron, below the double yellow line, then perhaps struggling to regain control, come up and collected. I just can't fathom how Leffler's isn't blatantly obvious, and Jr's is at least questionable.
Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2957597
Y so many haters on busch? Hes a great driver...
And why so many fans for Jr? CUz of his name and dad... If it wasnt for that he would be a nobdoy, just a regualr daytona 500 winner a fw yrs ago... Thats it...
If he was Dale Smith how many fans would he have?
FWIW, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 18 cup wins, Carl Edwards 16, Matt Kenseth 16, Greg Biffle 14, Ryan Newman 13, Kyle Busch 12
 
rebelprettyboy

rebelprettyboy

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957632
How? Honestly how? Leffler turned right without any just cause. Their situation had already been handled after turn 1. Junior had been *HIT* by Vickers and knocked down onto the apron, below the double yellow line, then perhaps struggling to regain control, come up and collected. I just can't fathom how Leffler's isn't blatantly obvious, and Jr's is at least questionable.
FWIW, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 18 cup wins, Carl Edwards 16, Matt Kenseth 16, Greg Biffle 14, Ryan Newman 13, Kyle Busch 12

Busch Era has just begun... 8 cup wins last yr.. 10 nationwide and 3 truck series wins...
Jr is overratted..
How many did he win last yr? Tired of his hype
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2957597
Y so many haters on busch? Hes a great driver...
And why so many fans for Jr? CUz of his name and dad... If it wasnt for that he would be a nobdoy, just a regualr daytona 500 winner a fw yrs ago... Thats it...
If he was Dale Smith how many fans would he have?
Then I would be Dale Smith fan

Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2957595
What really happened in this case is yes the tire was on the line, but their big mistake was to shove the Official. He might have been able to get away with the line, but when you push the Official, that you can't get away with. Hubby explained it in detail when he got home last night.
If he had backed into the box to get the tire off the line, the shoving of the Official was still a penalty.
Yeah, I saw that and knew that wasn't going to be good. The guy was just standing right there in the way of everything, but I figured you don't shove the official for any reason.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/2957595
What really happened in this case is yes the tire was on the line, but their big mistake was to shove the Official. He might have been able to get away with the line, but when you push the Official, that you can't get away with. Hubby explained it in detail when he got home last night.
If he had backed into the box to get the tire off the line, the shoving of the Official was still a penalty.
Sucky race for me point wise. That one wreck did it for me.
hmm I didn't think about that. Personally, they shouldda knocked him over, he was in the way big time.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2957690
hmm I didn't think about that. Personally, they shouldda knocked him over, he was in the way big time.
Thought/feel the same way. Like a ref in an NFL game getting jacked up. It's the official's responsibility not to get in the way.
 
scotts

scotts

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Originally Posted by shogun323
http:///forum/post/2957532
Had a blast at the race. I have never seen so many Jr. fans in my life. I'd say 50% of the peeps had on Jr gear. It was nutz. You should have heard the whole place erupt in applause when Busch got caught up in the wreck. I loved it and partook of course.
The rain sucked. It ruined a great race. It also cost us the opportunity to fly over to Daytona instead of the dreaded drive across the state with all the the other 150,00 people trying to park in the same vicinity.
We sat on the superstretch 28 rows up. Good times. I can't wait to go back!!!!
AWESOME Wade!!! Glad to hear you had a great time. How much stuff did you buy and did you rent a scanner?
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2957712
I still think it is funny, the people saying Vickers should have let Jr. pass him. Dang racing
Well, that's what seperates NASCAR from the other motorsports. In Indy or LeMans where the one driver throws a block and all the second driver could do was sit there and pout. As where in NASCAR, if you want to throw the block, that's all well and fine, but be prepared to deal with what was former the 'chrome horn.'
FWIW though, it wasn't a block, Jr. was already alongside Vickers and Vickers ran him onto the apron
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957721
Well, that's what seperates NASCAR from the other motorsports. In Indy or LeMans where the one driver throws a block and all the second driver could do was sit there and pout. As where in NASCAR, if you want to throw the block, that's all well and fine, but be prepared to deal with what was former the 'chrome horn.'
FWIW though, it wasn't a block, Jr. was already alongside Vickers and Vickers ran him onto the apron

I'm not saying Jr. shouldn't have wrecked him. I'm just saying, if you parked Lefler for something far less obvious. Then they should have parked Jr.
 
rebelprettyboy

rebelprettyboy

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957721
Well, that's what seperates NASCAR from the other motorsports. In Indy or LeMans where the one driver throws a block and all the second driver could do was sit there and pout. As where in NASCAR, if you want to throw the block, that's all well and fine, but be prepared to deal with what was former the 'chrome horn.'
FWIW though, it wasn't a block, Jr. was already alongside Vickers and Vickers ran him onto the apron

Nah good block by vickers... bad move by Jr... wasnt a bad move just to agrresive bvy both drivers//
 
spiderwoman

spiderwoman

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957721
FWIW though, it wasn't a block, Jr. was already alongside Vickers and Vickers ran him onto the apron

I think you need to see the replay of that... he was not alongside Vickers and if Vickers had kept his original line, there was no way that Jr could have passed him without going below yellow. There was no room between V and the yellow line for another car.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2957728
Nah good block by vickers... bad move by Jr... wasnt a bad move just to agrresive bvy both drivers//
How was it a good block when the side of Vickers hit the side Jr's car (before the spin)?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2957721
Well, that's what seperates NASCAR from the other motorsports. In Indy or LeMans where the one driver throws a block and all the second driver could do was sit there and pout. As where in NASCAR, if you want to throw the block, that's all well and fine, but be prepared to deal with what was former the 'chrome horn.'
FWIW though, it wasn't a block, Jr. was already alongside Vickers and Vickers ran him onto the apron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oSE6APPCnQ
There is no blocking in racing. (well it was crying but I guess there is now)
 
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