National guard troops on the border

[reefraff]

What a @&#^$*#(@()#$&$^&@()$)#$*#&#&*_@I(#&$$#$&**)@#n Joke
The state department just announced they are not there to enforce immigration laws, they are doing desk work to help with drug and crime prevention. Last I looked it was a crime to cross the border illegally. I really do fear for our country with these boobs in control.

 

[handbanana]

What a @&#^$*#(@()#$&$^&@()$)#$*#&#&*_@I(#&$$#$&**)@#n Joke
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I agree. Its scary, I wonder what kind of desk the guard will be doing to help prevent crime prevention?
Making pamphlets?
I think I need to update my cussword vocabulary. I cant even try to fill in those blanks.

 

[bionicarm]

Get's better --
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's Democratic allies in the Senate have repelled a move by presidential rival John McCain to send an additional 6,000 National Guard troops to the U.S-Mexico border.
The Arizona Republican says the security situation along the order has deteriorated so badly that 3,000 guard troops are needed just to help protect his state. But McCain failed to muster the required 60 votes for his plan as the Senate continued debate on an a war funding bill.
Obama on Tuesday promised to send 1,200 Guard troops to the border to support efforts to block drug trafficking and temporarily supplement Border Patrol agents until more agents can be trained.
Former President George W. Bush sent thousands of Guard troops to the border in 2006.
I'd like to put a camera on the border and watch these guys in action. You'd see a bunch of 'regular' illegals come across the Rio Grande in the middle of the night, and one of these National Guard troops yells "Alto!" He then asks in Spanish whether any of them are carrying weapons or a large drug cache. If the say, "No", then the soldier goes, "Oh, OK. You can keep going then."

 

[reefraff]

I think it's time to send the minute men down again. That really pisses the leftists off. If they will keep the propane stocked I'll pull my 5th wheel down and hang for a month. I love the desert.

 

[scottnlisa]

Why don't we just build a wall like Berlin had years ago? I agree that we need to prevent ways to stop them coming across but Mexico is the place to start. Mexico needs to start cleaning their act up by reducing crime, making better jobs, and improving living conditions and then the illegals will stop crossing the border. You guys like to put band-aids on situations rather then solving them. But your extremists. If your unhappy, move to Canada, Germany, or even Russia. You would fit in perfectly there.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3273463
Why don't we just build a wall like Berlin had years ago? I agree that we need to prevent ways to stop them coming across but Mexico is the place to start. Mexico needs to start cleaning their act up by reducing crime, making better jobs, and improving living conditions and then the illegals will stop crossing the border. You guys like to put band-aids on situations rather then solving them. But your extremists. If your unhappy, move to Canada, Germany, or even Russia. You would fit in perfectly there.
This is why you shouldn't do drugs and use the internet

I'd respond but I am laughing too hard to type.

 

[lovethesea]

okay, so this thing puts a thorn in my side. "We" cannot cast a simple net. Since this whole Arizona thing, I have been overwhelmed with information. Most politicians say they have NOT read the immigration law....really???? why? Its too much for them?? READ it dumbarse politican, my high school kid has more to read every night with homework. Here with the St. Louis news, we have been shown many stories of legal spouse vs illegal spouse that will be sent back to Mexco. (faces pixilated of course) Almost 95% of the stories the "illegal" is paying taxes on their earnings, but still here illegally and will be sent back. WTH.......why can't we document these people who are here working and PAYING TAXES (their money is good enough for the govnmt....why aren't they). We cannot cast this enormous net and catch the "simple" illegal. If they are paying taxes and here illegally.....MAKE them legal. If not....well you are here unlawfully just like any other country on this planet and you will have to go home and start over. My step mom is a teacher in a suburb of Atlanta. I won't go into it, because it will ignite a bomb here. But lets just say if my kid where in her school, my kid would not be treated as well as the kids of illegals. English isn't even the first language.
A rose by any other name is still a rose. It smells the same. The National Guard or a wall is not going to change this problem. Laws will. If you want to live here....document yourself just like my great-great grand parents did from Ireland on Ellis Island!!! AND Canada. Document yourself (allowed by the govment), pay taxes....live here legally. Just like every other country in the world. (and a lot of countries you cant hold a job if you are not a NATURAL born citizen) hmm. If you and/or your boss can't follow these laws then this country has the RIGHT to get you and send you home.
Shall we dare to weave this story into the healthcare situation/.crisis??? I can tell you for fact we can. Rid our healtcare of medicare/medicade, and illegal citizen fraud, we may not have the problem we "think" we have.
We can't even control an oil leak.....(my daughter said "why wasn't there a shut off valve miles from the oil rig?") hmmmm......so simple, yet sooo simple.

Can't control an oil leak, how do we handle a border?

 

[aquaknight]

Not trying to be argumentive, just pointed issues I see out.
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3273550
Almost 95% of the stories the "illegal" is paying taxes on their earnings, but still here illegally and will be sent back. WTH.......why can't we document these people who are here working and PAYING TAXES (their money is good enough for the govnmt....why aren't they). We cannot cast this enormous net and catch the "simple" illegal. If they are paying taxes and here illegally.....MAKE them legal. If not....well you are here unlawfully just like any other country on this planet and you will have to go home and start over.
There would probably be "false" companies set up that would employ illegals to say they are paying taxes. If you mean from a certain date, the issue is employing illegals, is well illegal. The company that collects taxes from an illegal would never say they did.
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3273550
We can't even control an oil leak.....(my daughter said "why wasn't there a shut off valve miles from the oil rig?") hmmmm......so simple, yet sooo simple.

The oil rig sits directly over the drill site. When the Horizon rig exploded and sink, it collapsed all of the pipework down to the seafloor. The pipe left is basically now just a vertical vent for the oil to come shooting out off.

 

[scottnlisa]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3273524
This is why you shouldn't do drugs and use the internet

I'd respond but I am laughing too hard to type.
are you suggesting that my husband does drugs Mr. Raff? I believe that's a personal attack. I think he made a very valid point all you do is complain about everything; your life must be so miserable that you have nothing better to do than go on a fish forum to spew political rhetoric and hate. My husband simply meant if the USA is such a horrible place to live that all you have to do is be miserable and complain maybe you should give canada or mexico a try?

 

[lovethesea]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3273553
The oil rig sits directly over the drill site. When the Horizon rig exploded and sink, it collapsed all of the pipework down to the seafloor. The pipe left is basically now just a vertical vent for the oil to come shooting out off.
yes, I know, that seems to have a flaw.
And this company seems to have been running things dangerously....big surprise.
I do understand that there are companies that will employ illegally. The people that are being intereviewed have already been told they will be deported. Its just a matter of "the system" getting around to doing it. The system knows they have been paying taxes, but these folks stayed too long.

 

[spanko]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3273352
Get's better --
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's Democratic allies in the Senate have repelled a move by presidential rival John McCain to send an additional 6,000 National Guard troops to the U.S-Mexico border.
The Arizona Republican says the security situation along the order has deteriorated so badly that 3,000 guard troops are needed just to help protect his state. But McCain failed to muster the required 60 votes for his plan as the Senate continued debate on an a war funding bill.
Obama on Tuesday promised to send 1,200 Guard troops to the border to support efforts to block drug trafficking and temporarily supplement Border Patrol agents until more agents can be trained.
Former President George W. Bush sent thousands of Guard troops to the border in 2006.
I'd like to put a camera on the border and watch these guys in action. You'd see a bunch of 'regular' illegals come across the Rio Grande in the middle of the night, and one of these National Guard troops yells "Alto!" He then asks in Spanish whether any of them are carrying weapons or a large drug cache. If the say, "No", then the soldier goes, "Oh, OK. You can keep going then."

McCain is a joke. Look back to what he wanted with the McCain Kennedy immigration bill;
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...ll-Falls-Short
Now he is just bloviating because his job is on the line with the upcoming elections and him against J.D. Hayworth who IMO is gonna clean his clock.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3273555
are you suggesting that my husband does drugs Mr. Raff? I believe that's a personal attack. I think he made a very valid point all you do is complain about everything; your life must be so miserable that you have nothing better to do than go on a fish forum to spew political rhetoric and hate. My husband simply meant if the USA is such a horrible place to live that all you have to do is be miserable and complain maybe you should give canada or mexico a try?
This is the problems with libs, no humor, if you're gonna say something stupid you should expect to get made fun of. Instead they go off and start crying... If you can't swim don't jump into the deep end.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3273550
We can't even control an oil leak.....(my daughter said "why wasn't there a shut off valve miles from the oil rig?") hmmmm......so simple, yet sooo simple.

Can't control an oil leak, how do we handle a border?
There are several, they are some below the mud line, on the sea floor, and on the drill rig. The drill rig is gone, the ones on the sea floor failed. They all failed. Hence the problem.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3273555
are you suggesting that my husband does drugs Mr. Raff? I believe that's a personal attack. I think he made a very valid point all you do is complain about everything; your life must be so miserable that you have nothing better to do than go on a fish forum to spew political rhetoric and hate. My husband simply meant if the USA is such a horrible place to live that all you have to do is be miserable and complain maybe you should give canada or mexico a try?
I am suggesting whoever wrote what I quoted was loaded or has serious issues. Let's break it down here.
"Why don't we just build a wall like Berlin had years ago?"
Let's see, the Berlin Wall was built to keep people in, not out AND IT WAS BUILT TO DIVIDE A COUNTRY, not keep out hoards of invaders. Yep, that statement makes sense. Perhaps he was thinking of the great wall of China, which was used to keep the mongols from raiding the country. I'd go for that

" Mexico needs to start cleaning their act up by reducing crime, making better jobs, and improving living conditions and then the illegals will stop crossing the border. You guys like to put band-aids on situations rather then solving them"
Mexico needs to start cleaning up their act. How long are we supposed to pick up their welfare tab while waiting for their government to clean up it's act? I guess we should just invade the country and set up the government we prefer. OUR PROBLEM IS CAUSED BECAUSE MEXICO WONT DO ANYTHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM CROSSING THE US BORDER LIKE THEY DO ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER. They need the money being sent back home from the United stated every year
"But your extremists." There is the attack. The same one "you" used in your first post in the other thread. Hmmmm.
"If your unhappy, move to Canada, Germany, or even Russia. You would fit in perfectly there."
I am happy here. What I am unhappy about is people like you who want to change our current form of government to something more in line with what you or your "husband" would like it to be.
As far as me having nothing better to do all day I suppose I do spend more time than most on the forums. Being disabled and unable to move about much does leave me with a lot of time to kill and this is how I choose to do it. If off topic threads are so offensive to you and your hubby, and you both think we are all such extremists perhaps you should both keep your noses out of the OFF TOPIC FORUM.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3273550
okay, so this thing puts a thorn in my side. "We" cannot cast a simple net. Since this whole Arizona thing, I have been overwhelmed with information. Most politicians say they have NOT read the immigration law....really???? why? Its too much for them?? READ it dumbarse politican, my high school kid has more to read every night with homework. Here with the St. Louis news, we have been shown many stories of legal spouse vs illegal spouse that will be sent back to Mexco. (faces pixilated of course) Almost 95% of the stories the "illegal" is paying taxes on their earnings, but still here illegally and will be sent back. WTH.......why can't we document these people who are here working and PAYING TAXES (their money is good enough for the govnmt....why aren't they). We cannot cast this enormous net and catch the "simple" illegal. If they are paying taxes and here illegally.....MAKE them legal. If not....well you are here unlawfully just like any other country on this planet and you will have to go home and start over. My step mom is a teacher in a suburb of Atlanta. I won't go into it, because it will ignite a bomb here. But lets just say if my kid where in her school, my kid would not be treated as well as the kids of illegals. English isn't even the first language.
A rose by any other name is still a rose. It smells the same. The National Guard or a wall is not going to change this problem. Laws will. If you want to live here....document yourself just like my great-great grand parents did from Ireland on Ellis Island!!! AND Canada. Document yourself (allowed by the govment), pay taxes....live here legally. Just like every other country in the world. (and a lot of countries you cant hold a job if you are not a NATURAL born citizen) hmm. If you and/or your boss can't follow these laws then this country has the RIGHT to get you and send you home.
Shall we dare to weave this story into the healthcare situation/.crisis??? I can tell you for fact we can. Rid our healtcare of medicare/medicade, and illegal citizen fraud, we may not have the problem we "think" we have.
We can't even control an oil leak.....(my daughter said "why wasn't there a shut off valve miles from the oil rig?") hmmmm......so simple, yet sooo simple.

Can't control an oil leak, how do we handle a border?
How does a person who is in the country illegally pay taxes? They can't pay income tax without a Social Security number and the only way they do that is through identity theft. Then they claim enough dependants that they pay no tax and once them using a stolen number is discovered it cost the government and the victim plenty.
I agree with you solution for the most part but we can't do anything until we close the border down. We must put in strict requirements on employers and also cut off public services for those who aren't legal as well as putting more security on the border. Not only will that stem the tide of illegals coming in, it will force those already here to come forward and sign up for whatever amnesty program we end up with.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3273611
" Mexico needs to start cleaning their act up by reducing crime, making better jobs, and improving living conditions and then the illegals will stop crossing the border. You guys like to put band-aids on situations rather then solving them"
Mexico needs to start cleaning up their act. How long are we supposed to pick up their welfare tab while waiting for their government to clean up it's act? I guess we should just invade the country and set up the government we prefer. OUR PROBLEM IS CAUSED BECAUSE MEXICO WONT DO ANYTHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM CROSSING THE US BORDER LIKE THEY DO ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER. They need the money being sent back home from the United stated every year
It's not the responsibility of any country to keep their citizens from leaving their respective countries without permission of the other country they are trying to enter. Take for example that stupid disaster movie that Dennis Quaid was in where the northern part of the US was put back into the Ice Age. Millions of US citizens stormed the Mexico border to get across where it was warmer. Was that scenario the responsibility of the US to stop its citizens from crossing over to Mexico, or was it Mexico's responsibility to keep the US citizens from crossing? Every country on this planet has some form of Customs agency on their borders. They are put their to insure every person that wants to enter their country has the proper documentation to do so. Unfortunately, it's impossible to completely protect every square inch of a border to keep people out that want to get in, illegally or legally. Your logic is you want every country to be responsible for every one of their legalized citizens when it comes to them going to another country where they aren't a legalized citizen. Do you think the US should also follow those rules? There's what, 260 million legal American citizens in this country? Do you expect our government to keep track of each and every one of those citizens, and know exactly when and where they leave this country?
I know, let's tell Mexico they need to imbed GPS tracking chips into every one of their citizens, and provide the tracking information to the US Customs Dept. That way, we can track every single citizen in Mexico, and know exactly where they are at any given point in time. When one of them crosses the border to the US, we simply track them down, pick them up, and send them back home. Problem solved.

 

[reefraff]

The Mexican president was just crying about guns being smuggled into his country from the US. Rather than try to deny my right to own firearms why doesn't he police his own border? Simple, he doesn't want to stop the drug runners and coyotes that are vital to his country's economy. And it is a countries responsibility to stop people from crossing the border illegally into another country if it violates that country's laws.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3273624
The Mexican president was just crying about guns being smuggled into his country from the US. Rather than try to deny my right to own firearms why doesn't he police his own border? Simple, he doesn't want to stop the drug runners and coyotes that are vital to his country's economy. And it is a countries responsibility to stop people from crossing the border illegally into another country if it violates that country's laws.
A country can only control its citizen to a certain degree. As I said, unless you put some tracking device on every single citizen that is legal in your country, it's absolutely impossible to keep them from doing something illegal, like crossing over to another country's border. Look at Europe during the Cold War. Didn't almost every Eastern Bloc country over there have some form of military presence on their borders? I know countries like Turkey and Czechlovakia did. Germany had a wall running through the middle of their own country to keep their political views on 'each side of the fence'. Worked pretty well for them as I recall it. However, they put that military presence at their border to insure no one that wasn't supposed to, came IN without proper permission. East Germany pretty much did what you want Mexico to do. They DID keep their citizens from 'crossing over'. If some tried, their military would shoot them before they got across. But as you said, the Mexican Govt. knows where their 'bread and butter' comes from. The more of their impoverished citizens leave their country, that's just one less mouth to feed and take care of (with what little they do give them). Drugs have become Mexico's Number 1 export. Why kill that Cash Cow?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3273638
A country can only control its citizen to a certain degree. As I said, unless you put some tracking device on every single citizen that is legal in your country, it's absolutely impossible to keep them from doing something illegal, like crossing over to another country's border. Look at Europe during the Cold War. Didn't almost every Eastern Bloc country over there have some form of military presence on their borders? I know countries like Turkey and Czechlovakia did. Germany had a wall running through the middle of their own country to keep their political views on 'each side of the fence'. Worked pretty well for them as I recall it. However, they put that military presence at their border to insure no one that wasn't supposed to, came IN without proper permission. East Germany pretty much did what you want Mexico to do. They DID keep their citizens from 'crossing over'. If some tried, their military would shoot them before they got across. But as you said, the Mexican Govt. knows where their 'bread and butter' comes from. The more of their impoverished citizens leave their country, that's just one less mouth to feed and take care of (with what little they do give them). Drugs have become Mexico's Number 1 export. Why kill that Cash Cow?
If Mexico at least tried instead of helping people cross it would make a pretty big difference.

 

[scottnlisa]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3273614
How does a person who is in the country illegally pay taxes? They can't pay income tax without a Social Security number and the only way they do that is through identity theft. Then they claim enough dependants that they pay no tax and once them using a stolen number is discovered it cost the government and the victim plenty.
I agree with you solution for the most part but we can't do anything until we close the border down. We must put in strict requirements on employers and also cut off public services for those who aren't legal as well as putting more security on the border. Not only will that stem the tide of illegals coming in, it will force those already here to come forward and sign up for whatever amnesty program we end up with.
i hope more illegals come over the border, it is summer time and I need some vegetables for my salad. We need the illegals to do jobs that we as Americans won't do like I said before. It is a fact. Deal with it. And if your diasabled and have all this time on your hands, why don't you help get the illegals by watch cameras or something. i am sure the government would pay you. Your cures for the problems are unrealistic and will never happen. Get into reality and come up with some good solutions not your half-cocked ideas.