New Flame Angel has a clouded eye...

[sweatervest13]

I just got him last week (02/28/12) and he is in a QT. He has been eating some, but not like a pig. I have him in there with a clown and a LMB. They are all on the small side. Yesterday the Angel started to get a clouded eye, that also looks swollen. Any ideas??
I did a 40% WC last night when I noticed the weird eye on the Angel. Any suggestions on how to treat this???
Thanks for any help or suggestions.

 

[btldreef]

Does it look like pop eye?

 

[sweatervest13]

Well, IDK. I will have to look up, "pop eye" and find out.

 

[sweatervest13]

Yup. Pop eye. Now what?

 

[sweatervest13]

Okay, I did some quick research. I guess I am going to the lfs before it closes. Does anyone have any suggestions for treatment???

 

[sweatervest13]

Well, the research I did on here turned up some thread from like 04. I ran to the LFS 5 minutes before closing. Saying I needed what ever meds suggested on that 04 thread. They thought I was crazy. Lol
The nice guy there said I should just do a fresh water dip. I did for about 4 minutes. He said that pop eye will not kill but he might lose the eye. So as suggested I will do a fresh water dip each day. UNLESS someone here tells me other wise. Anyone?? Lol.

 

[siptang]

Fresh water dip for a pop eye? Now that's first time I have heard that... parasites? Yes because that fresh water will kill it but if the tempeture of the fresh water and your tank water as ph doesn't match? You are killing the fish.
I haven't had one in a while but I thought they come from stress and not so pristine water condition. I believe that you should leave the fish alone just give him a lot to eat.

 

[sweatervest13]

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Originally Posted by Siptang http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3463625
Fresh water dip for a pop eye? Now that's first time I have heard that... parasites? Yes because that fresh water will kill it but if the temperature of the fresh water and your tank water as pH doesn't match? You are killing the fish.
I haven't had one in a while but I thought they come from stress and not so pristine water condition. I believe that you should leave the fish alone just give him a lot to eat.
Thanks Siptang,
I did not know it was not for pop eye. But I did make sure the temp and PH matched the QT tank. Thank you for the heads up though!!!! Well I guess I will just monitor the water quality of the QT an keep an eye on the Angel (no pun intended). LOl
I do have to say that the Angel has been very active and seems to be doing really well. He is starting to eat like a piggy. That makes me very happy!!

 

[siptang]

Yup angels take a bit to acclimate so don't worry so much. I had my shares of angel worries to know firs hand lol. Also no problem at all, that's why we are here.

 

[btldreef]

Sorry for not getting back to this thread sooner.
How is the eye looking?
The best treatment for popeye is antibiotics, usually tetracyclene, which most fish stores have. Fresh water dips don't work and could stress the fish out even more. Netting the fish, especially while it has popeye can cause more damage to the eye as well, especially with angels, that really shouldn't get netted in the first place.

 

[sweatervest13]

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3464184
Sorry for not getting back to this thread sooner.
How is the eye looking?
The best treatment for pop eye is antibiotics, usually tetracyclene, which most fish stores have. Fresh water dips don't work and could stress the fish out even more. Netting the fish, especially while it has popeye can cause more damage to the eye as well, especially with angels, that really shouldn't get netted in the first place.
Hey BTLD,
Thanks for getting back. I stopped the FW dip after one application. The eye looks a little better. Still a little cloudy and a bit swollen. But I think it is going down some.
I don't think that my LFS has antibiotics but I can check. When I rushed there the other night I got the SW fish kid... He is pretty good but not as knowledgeable as the owner. I will go back when the owner is there and ask him.
I hope he did not get if from netting. My wife netted him once to get him into the QT. After that he was not netted. I did however notice that the coffee cup he likes he tends to swim around in. The bad eye is the one that is on the outside, it almost looks like it scrapes the side of the cup. Maybe that is how he got the pop eye. he was super shy the first two days, and stayed in that cup a lot.

The eye you see is the good eye. He would swim around brushing the eye on the cup. Weird.

 

[btldreef]

That's a big way they get pop eye as well, trauma to the eye. I had a little Bullet Banded Sleeper Goby that got into an ugly fight with my Yellow Watchmen one day and had his eye very badly damaged when he swam into a rock trying to get away. He had pop eye for about two weeks and I couldn't catch him in the 155G to treat him and didn't want to treat the entire tank so he sadly ended up loosing his eye. He actually just recently passed, lived for a long time as a little one eyed fish. He was an ugly little thing, but I just couldn't bare to get rid of him after he lost his eye.

 

[sweatervest13]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3464209
That's a big way they get pop eye as well, trauma to the eye. I had a little Bullet Banded Sleeper Goby that got into an ugly fight with my Yellow Watchmen one day and had his eye very badly damaged when he swam into a rock trying to get away. He had pop eye for about two weeks and I couldn't catch him in the 155G to treat him and didn't want to treat the entire tank so he sadly ended up loosing his eye. He actually just recently passed, lived for a long time as a little one eyed fish. He was an ugly little thing, but I just couldn't bare to get rid of him after he lost his eye.
So do you think that I should definatly treat with antibiotics?? Or just see if it will clear up on its own?? He is in a 10g QT right now and I could treat him in there. Is it fine that there are two other QT tankmates (clown and LMB)??
Also, Do you think I should do hypo or copper? I have not seen any signes of ICK but I have read that it is a good idea to do hypo on all new additions. Thoughts??

 

[siptang]

I would treat it with anti biotics if you don't see any result in a week or so... I'm a big fan of things will get better in time.

 

[sweatervest13]

Thanks Sip!!

 

[btldreef]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3464218
So do you think that I should definatly treat with antibiotics?? Or just see if it will clear up on its own?? He is in a 10g QT right now and I could treat him in there. Is it fine that there are two other QT tankmates (clown and LMB)??
Also, Do you think I should do hypo or copper? I have not seen any signes of ICK but I have read that it is a good idea to do hypo on all new additions. Thoughts??
Hypo and copper won't do anything for pop eye. There are 3 or 4 anti biotics that will work and really won't harm the other two fish that are in there. If left untreated it's really 50/50 on whether or not the eye will heal on its own or not.

 

[sweatervest13]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3464266
Hypo and copper won't do anything for pop eye. There are 3 or 4 anti biotics that will work and really won't harm the other two fish that are in there. If left untreated it's really 50/50 on whether or not the eye will heal on its own or not.
I will look into the antibiotics then.
For the copper and/or hypo I meant do you think that I should just treat them regardless of the pop eye. I know that Ick can be present in the system without showing signs. Right?? Do you think that I should treat for that? Or just do the antibiotics for the pop eye? Then if everything looks good observe for a few more weeks before introducing them into my DT?
I have always been confused about that. It seems that if you observe a fish in QT for a month and don't see any sings of anything bad, then you could be fooled by something that did not show up. Or do you think that the stress of QT'ing would prompt any issues to present themselves??
Thank you for your help and advice!!!

 

[beth]

Maracyn Two for SW fish.
Eye infection in new fish is common due to contaminated netting and/or injury to the eye due to netting. Best not to net, but corral new fish into a container (or ziplock) where they are not removed from water, or subjected to harsh netting.

 

[njbillyv]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390864/new-flame-angel-has-a-clouded-eye#post_3464420
Maracyn Two for SW fish.
Eye infection in new fish is common due to contaminated netting and/or injury to the eye due to netting. Best not to net, but corral new fish into a container (or ziplock) where they are not removed from water, or subjected to harsh netting.
I've never heard this before. So how do you transfer the fish from the LFS into your QT without getting any of their nasty water in your tank? Do most people really not use nets?

 

[beth]

Most people do use nets, which is why most people get fish that develop eye infections when they first acquire fish.
There is really no way to get the LFS to use another method of transferring fish, but, for yourself, you can avoid using them.