New mccain ad

1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2752195
Four years ago McCain got Carl Roved, and it is a pity that Mc is now Roveing others. What's wrong with the ad is that it is a total misrepresentation of the truth - even Romney supported the bill since it deals with avoiding predators, and then is directed only at children above the 5th grade. Shame on McCain!
Ahhh, now I get to correct Geridoc. All is right again in my world after he corrected me earlier.
*The Bill was a State bill. Romney had nothing to do with it.
Here is a link to the actual Bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...cSess=&Session
Note a couple of things of importance:
*It begins with "K" and ends with "12".
*The subject matter at hand.
Obama is now trying to spin this as "predator avoidance" but the reality is that is a very small part of the overall Bill. Further, Obama's interviews from the same time period show he was for se x Education in the classroom, not just predator avoidance.
Sadly, as is typical, people are listening and repeating the spin rather than looking to the source to form their own conclusions.
 
stdreb27

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There is video of Obama talking about that bill, and him saying that it is "the right thing to do" when discussing education.
Anyone think it is funny this is one of the bills he felt strongly enough about to vote yes for...
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2753715
The add we're currently discussing is 100% accurate, as one example.
100% accurate??? I read the Bill. Please cite any section that legislates that Kindergardeners SHALL learn --- education. My reading is that this simply addresses the content of those courses where offered in grades K - 12. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2753709
Just one question... does McCain have ANY ads that are complete truths, without exaggerations or fabrications?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
I guess these are the tactics that he needs to win the White House. But I'm sure he'll be more honest when he's in office.

OMG Crimz, you are really not relying on an Air America host as a source of factual information! That would be like us on the other side linking to Rush Limbaugh.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2753728
100% accurate??? I read the Bill. Please cite any section that legislates that Kindergardeners SHALL learn --- education. My reading is that this simply addresses the content of those courses where offered in grades K - 12. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Note that on the bill 6 is struck through which means it is removed. Pretty plain language
13 " Each class or course in comprehensive ---
14 education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology."
 
jacknjill

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2752934
Why was she on birth control if he had a vasectomy...if I was him I'd want a paternity test

she was on birth control for a more regular cycle and for her skin, as it helps clear up acne. more than one use for birth control :)
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2753760
Note that on the bill 6 is struck through which means it is removed. Pretty plain language
13 " Each class or course in comprehensive ---
14 education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology."
FACTS STRIKE AGAIN. I didn't realize facts were a low brow attack...
I guess I learn new stuff every day. I'll remember to make stuff up next time.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2753760
Note that on the bill 6 is struck through which means it is removed. Pretty plain language
13 " Each class or course in comprehensive ---
14 education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology."
So you sound like you are agreeing with me... this bill was to legislate the CONTENT of s-e-x ed classes where they are offered.
Still waiting for a someone to show me a single sentence in the bill where it PROMOTES teaching s-e-x ed to children before they can read, as alleged by McCain's ad.
Reefraff, Streb, Journey... a single sentence to show that McCain's ad is even slightly accurate please.

Edited about 15 minutes later...
Still waiting guys.
I'll admit that I just skimmed the bill. Surely some smart republicans like you guys can find a SINGLE SENTENCE PROMOTING S-E-X EDUCATION BEING TAUGHT TO KINDERGARDENERS, as alleged by McCain.

I think that I can actually hear crickets chirping...
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2753728
100% accurate??? I read the Bill. Please cite any section that legislates that Kindergardeners SHALL learn --- education. My reading is that this simply addresses the content of those courses where offered in grades K - 12. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm honestly not sure what you are asking for Crimzy. Are you arguing that Se x Ed classes weren't going to be offered in K classes, or that they were already being offered?
Obama said, in 2003 "But it’s the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate --- education, science-based --- education in schools."
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2753760
Note that on the bill 6 is struck through which means it is removed. Pretty plain language
13 " Each class or course in comprehensive ---
14 education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology."

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2753995
So you sound like you are agreeing with me... this bill was to legislate the CONTENT of s-e-x ed classes where they are offered.
Still waiting for a someone to show me a single sentence in the bill where it PROMOTES teaching s-e-x ed to children before they can read, as alleged by McCain's ad.
Reefraff, Streb, Journey... a single sentence to show that McCain's ad is even slightly accurate please.

Edited about 15 minutes later...
Still waiting guys.
I'll admit that I just skimmed the bill. Surely some smart republicans like you guys can find a SINGLE SENTENCE PROMOTING S-E-X EDUCATION BEING TAUGHT TO KINDERGARDENERS, as alleged by McCain.

I think that I can actually hear crickets chirping...
The bill was linked to and I posted the language. If you don't want to read it thats your problem.

McCains ads are more accurate and honest than Obus saying McCain wanted a 100 year war in Iraq
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2754026
I'm honestly not sure what you are asking for Crimzy. Are you arguing that Se x Ed classes weren't going to be offered in K classes, or that they were already being offered?
Obama said, in 2003 "But it’s the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate --- education, science-based --- education in schools."

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2754064
The bill was linked to and I posted the language. If you don't want to read it thats your problem.

McCains ads are more accurate and honest than Obus saying McCain wanted a 100 year war in Iraq
Guys, this isn't rocket science. You are arguiing that the ad is accurate, right or wrong? This ad claims that Obama, by voting for this bill, supports teaching s-e-x education to Kindergardeners, right or wrong? Are we all together thus far?
So all I want to know is where do you see language in this bill that requires, or even recommends that s-e-x education be taught to kindergardeners. Reefraff, you quoted a section that identified what these classes should include. To that, I agree, this bill legislates the content of s-e-x education classes and provides for the parents to pull their children out of the classes. The section you quote clearly summarizes the point of the Bill, which is not to encourage the class but, where it is used, to legislate the content and parents' rights. Nowhere in that quote is there any suggestion that s-e-x education should be taught to kindergardeners.
But I have yet to see a single sentence that actually PROMOTES, or REQUIRES, or RECOMMENDS that s-e-x education be taught to kindergardeners as McCain's ad suggested. Not trying to confuse anybody here... but I don't think I'm asking anyone to split the atom. Just want to see where the Bill says what you suggest.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2754026
I'm honestly not sure what you are asking for Crimzy. Are you arguing that Se x Ed classes weren't going to be offered in K classes, or that they were already being offered?
Obama said, in 2003 "But it’s the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate --- education, science-based --- education in schools."

Oh yeah... this is exactly the same as claiming that Obama supports teaching s-e-x education to kindergardeners.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2754076
...
So all I want to know is where do you see language in this bill that requires, or even recommends that s-e-x education be taught to kindergardeners. Reefraff, you quoted a section that identified what these classes should include. To that, I agree, this bill legislates the content of s-e-x education classes and provides for the parents to pull their children out of the classes. The section you quote clearly summarizes the point of the Bill, which is not to encourage the class but, where it is used, to legislate the content and parents' rights. Nowhere in that quote is there any suggestion that s-e-x education should be taught to kindergardeners.
But I have yet to see a single sentence that actually PROMOTES, or REQUIRES, or RECOMMENDS that s-e-x education be taught to kindergardeners as McCain's ad suggested. Not trying to confuse anybody here... but I don't think I'm asking anyone to split the atom. Just want to see where the Bill says what you suggest.
"Each class or course in comprehensive --- education offered in any of grades K through 12 ...."
That what you are looking for?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2754079
Oh yeah... this is exactly the same as claiming that Obama supports teaching s-e-x education to kindergardeners.

This comment was made when an opponent brought up his vote for the Bill Crimzy.
 
indigobluetc

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Personally
I am tired of all this political crap! I mean all it is one bashing the other. "he did this" "well he did this" I mean come one people! OK so look at it from this point. They are getting a job right? Well last time I remember applying for a job I didnt have to trash talk the other people applying.
I didnt run no tv adds saying well he did this.. Dont vote for him... I mean come on this has gotten out of hand here.
This essentially is a job, and they are just applying for it.
Thats just my .02 I am sure all of you obama or mccain supporters will cry about this but I dont care. There is not even any proof that obama was born in the US how in the h e double hocky sticks can you run then? I mean guess we will take any ol idiot off the street that wants to run..
 
reefraff

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If Obama didn't support teaching s-ex ed to Kindergartners why in the hell would he vote for a bill that specifically authorized it? Obama either supports it or is too stupid to even be a state senator.
 
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