new with a two week old 35 hex

btldreef

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Meowzer is very, VERY helpful. I really respect her opinion, and she speaks the truth, no BS with her! We've had our disagreements, but she knows her stuff!
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3144176
Meowzer is very, VERY helpful. I really respect her opinion, and she speaks the truth, no BS with her! We've had our disagreements, but she knows her stuff!

Thank you so much for saying that.....;) really
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3144179
Thank you so much for saying that.....;) really
No problem! You deserve it. I think you probably thought I was a big brat (or other word starting with B!
) the other day in that other thread. I definitely value your opinion, it's just that sometimes my own personal experience differs. I think you're one of the best people on this forum to deal with both for insight/research and personality! And you're great with helping the newbies!
 
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russwlw2004

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3144155
Welcome to the forum!
Your tank may be cycled, it may not. My suggestion, get rid of the damsels ASAP, they're evil little fish and they'll limit what other fish you can put in later on. I used them to cycle and then flushed them because they were so damn mean.
When I started up my 14G BioCube, our tank cycled in under 3 weeks, here's how:
We bought live sand that can be added right to a tank without a nitrate spike, established live rock, and the LFS's water. They told us to run the tank with rock and live sand for a week, then come back and get some damsels. We did, damsels were in it for another week or so and then we ended their lives. (Not the nicest thing to do, but as I tried to catch them, I kept getting bit after a long, bad day, and well, it was my revenge). We never had a nitrate spike. We never had a diatom bloom, etc. It just went well, and in less than a month I had 2 corals and 2 Clownfish. I have since cycled a 40G and a 155G in less than a week, it absolutely can be done, if done right. If you're readings are okay, you're probably alright from my experience, but I'm sure you'll hear from plenty people that you're steering towards disaster. So to anyone that tells you that your tank isn't cycled, it might be, it might not be, but I've done the same thing 3 times with a lot of success.
There's plenty of different ways to get rid of Aiptasia, but you definitely need to get rid of it ASAP. I didn't know any better in the beginning and it really took over a Candy Cane Coral I had. The only real thing that I've had luck with is AiptasiaX, removing it by hand never went well for me. Your rock is definitely from an established system if it has coraline on it like that. My LFS always has aiptasia on the rocks because the rocks brush up against each other whenever people buy a piece, which causes them to spore, or whatnot.
Unfortunately, I do not think that your starfish is going to survive. Most, if not all, need a very established tank to thrive, but there's always an exception to the rule. I had a lot of smaller brittle starfish that came along as hitch hikers in my rock and all of them survived, so who knows?
Here's my suggestion: Get a cleaner shrimp, maybe some snails and crabs, feed your fish, test your water for another week, if everything is still good, you should be fine. Then I'd get rid of the damsels if you plan on ever having another fish in your tank or keeping your hand intact any time you need to go into the tank! Do you have a protein skimmer? IMO, you don't need more than one Koralia, but if you feel you want another one, I'd go with the smaller size since your tank really isn't that large.
Just read everything and form your own conclusions, you'll find some general guidelines, but you'll also find a lot of things that COMPLETELY contradict each other. Research is a great virtue to have in this hobby.
Good luck

bringing this thread back on track here.
i've been talking to fretfreak and my diatom bloom had started today.
the aptasia will be taken care of in a few days here, tomorrow im going to the LFS to possibly get some Aptasia-x, but one of the LR's i have has a nice size colony between 10-15 of them.
The damsel's are going to go soon, and probably the star tomorrow because it seems like the aptasia has been stinging him when he travels across the rock.
I do not have a skimmer, yet that is, i do plan on it.
I bought this lighting yesterday.
http://www.oceanicsystems.com/produc...-tube-quad.php
i hope this was a good choice to future corals, as this is what my LFS recommended.
 

meowzer

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I believe that is a pc light......You will be very limited on what you can keep as far as corals go....
I made quite a few "bad" purchases in the beginning do to bad advice.....After I ofund this forum, and spent quite a small fortune fixing these mistakes, I decied NOT to buy anything w/o checking here, and doing more research...google is great too...LOL....
so are books...and of course this site...i owe a lot to it
 

btldreef

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Don't know too much about this light and doing a quick search, I could not find that much info on it. That being said, it looks like it's a power compact. I had them for quite some time on my 40G and did okay with soft corals. If you stay away from hard corals (ex: Birdsnest, Acropora) and Anemones, you should be okay, key word being "SHOULD." My best suggestion, if you see that the corals aren't looking so hot, you probably are going to need to upgrade lighting.
My fear with lighting is how deep your tank is, you're going to need light that is going to be able to reach the bottom. Hex's can be difficult with lighting because they're deeper than they are wide. Have you put it on yet? If so, how does it look? Can you post a pic with this lighting?
Definitely recommend getting a protein skimmer in the very near future. I'm one of those people that does not think a fish tank should go without one, but that's JMO, many people do this successfully.
You can absolutely keep the diatom bloom under control and not have a disaster on your hands, it's fairly easy to do if you're given the right tools and guided through it. A diatom bloom isn't the end of the world and doesn't necessarily mean that everything in your tank is going to die and it's time to throw up the red flag. I get a tiny bit of a diatom bloom almost every time I add fully cured rock, even after it's sat in my QT for 2 months. They happen. I'll leave that there as I'm not sure how he has told you to handle it, different people have different opinions on this one and considering I've never "properly cycled" a tank, not sure if I'm the best to give advice, although part of me says, since you did the same thing as me, you may have to do what I did, you can always PM me.
Glad to hear you're not going to keep the evil fish forever.
Out of curiosity, what coral and fish are you considering, if you've put much thought into it at all?
 
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russwlw2004

Guest
Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3144235
+1
T5HO fixtures are the way to go IMO!
Yes it on and its def a vast improvement from the light that used to be on there, the bottom is very bright and i feel like the lighting is even througout.
My diatom bloom is very little as of right now, its a light coating on my live sand, only on about half of it.
i wish i could PM you but for some reason i dont have the capabilities too, im not given the option when i click your name, and i've been on many forums before so this is a first for me that i can't PM someone yet.
ill post a pic tomorrow, my dSLR is having a troubles taking in the true light that the light is giving off.
I hadn't even thought about corals untill today, my first task it getting rid of the aptasia.
The person at the LFS that helped me, mind you this LFS is dedicated to just fish, told me that to get light to reach the bottom i should buy the one that i bought.
 
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russwlw2004

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info on my lighting
"The 20" Aqualight Quad Strip Light has a Quad bulb that is half 10,000K and half actinic"
is that useful for me and doing some coral?
 

btldreef

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IMO, I think your lighting will be okay, just stay away from hard corals like birdsnest and acropora. You might be able to get away with a hard coral if it's at the very top of your rock work, but why risk it? They're not cheap. If you think that the light is piercing all the way down into the sand, you should be fine. It's all trial and error in the beginning, IMO.
That's odd that you can't PM. I don't know what the rules are here, so can't really say why it won't let you. Anyways, I'll probably get criticized, but here's what I did: (again, not what others have done, but it's worked three times for me. I only use two chemicals in my tank, from time to time, and the two I use are listed here. Not a fan of chemicals, but it works)
So I already told you how I cycled. About a month in we had a little tiny bit of a diatom problem in our 14G, we siphoned a lot out and did bigger water changes, added Seachem Prime to the water and it went away on it's on for the most part (some people say this stuff messes with readings, I've never personally had a bad experience with it and use it with every water change or new addition to my tank).
The 40G was a whole other issue. We had a goby and two sand sifting starfish and a really good clean up crew (CUC) and just could not get the diatoms under control. It happened about 4-5 months in and I blame it on rock we added to the tank. We tried every method out there and finally I lost my mind. I went to the LFS and asked them what to do since all other techniques were failing miserably. They know me fairly well and knew I'm not a fan of putting chemicals in the tank, but also knew I was at the end of my patience. They gave me Coralife Marine Tank Clarifier and absolutely swore it would work or money back and also told me if any corals/fish/inverts died from adding this since I was very hesitant, that they would replace free of charge. Added a little to the tank for a week or so, and had beautiful sand and water again. It did not affect fish, coral, inverts or water parameters. We do not use it constantly, BUT when the CUC and siphoning doesn't work, I break out the Marine Tank Clarifier.
We recently upgraded to a 155G, when we added new fully cycled rock, diatom bloom again. Nothing really crazy, but added the clarifier and problem solved in less than a week.
I've also never had bad readings, even when I've had a little bit of diatoms, readings stayed the same (or very, very close).
Since you can't PM, you can use my husbands AIM, since I'm on his computer, his sn is bboybustr. If he's online, it's normally me that's on his computer.
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by russwlw2004
http:///forum/post/3144267
info on my lighting
"The 20" Aqualight Quad Strip Light has a Quad bulb that is half 10,000K and half actinic"
is that useful for me and doing some coral?

Should be OK, BUT you can always swap out one of the actinics for another day light if you feel you need more light.
 
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