newbie 125gal filtration set up???

b20forlife

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hi everyone i just purchased my first aquarium bran new and need advice on a filtration set up and everything i may also need in order to get it going. this is going to be a fowler set up. i purchase a 125 gal fish tank from ***** (72x18x18). it came with a canapy with lights and a stand. i know i need a heater, and a uv sterelizer. im just a litttle confused on how to plum and what filtration set up to use. i already ordered 75lbs of cured live rock and 100lbs of live sand. do i need more? also i plan on putting some tangs, lion fish and aggresive fish once the tank is setup and ready. so if anyone can show a diagram of how to set it up and what to buy as far as filtrations and everything else i need i would appreciate it. thanks
 

snakeblitz33

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Does the tank have an external or internal overflow box? What do you have to plumb? Pics would be nice. You have a long way to go.
 

b20forlife

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the tank has no over flow box at the moment. its basically just a tank and stand. i understand i have a long way to go. but trying to find out what i need to get it started and done right the first time. i know it will be probably 2 months before i add any fish. ill try to get pics up once it gets delivered on tuesday. i been looking at filters and i dont quite really understand if i need a canister or a wet dry system. and i dont have anything to plumb right now. i need to buy that still. just trying to take it one step at a time.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436321
Does the tank have an external or internal overflow box? What do you have to plumb? Pics would be nice. You have a long way to go.
 

b20forlife

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436327
Have you decided if you are going with a sump or hang on back filtration?
i havent decided on one yet. i read sumps are better
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436328
Canisters suck for saltwater applications. Avoid them unless you enjoy a lot of maintenance.
ok ill try to do that. i was thinking about this filter set up since it has a skimmer and pretty much everything is included. heres a link. this is basically what im looking for were everything is kinda included. whats your honest opinion about of this setup.
 

snakeblitz33

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If I were you, and just got an undrilled 125g (Undrilled means that it doesn't have a couple of holes in the bottom of it for a drain and return line, it also means it's not "reef ready.") I would get an Eshopps external overflow and I'de use a 30g baffled aquarium for a sump. A 30g is about $50 and the glass and silicone will run you $20. A 30g tank is plenty of room for extra equipment and a skimmer if you want to go that route - or even an algae scrubber if you want to go that route. Getting a top of the line skimmer (like Octopus, ASM, SWC, Deltec or Tunze will make all the difference in your fish only aquarium. So... save money by DIYing your own sump - but splurge on buying yourself a really awesome skimmer.
Do some research on DIY sumps, they are really, really easy to make - and they are customizable - so once you pick your skimmer out, you will know it's "footprint" so you will know how big to make your skimmer chamber. (I personally put the skimmer in the first chamber with the overflow drains,... saves room - and it's easy to baffle. The less filterfloss you have in your system, the better. It's better to change out two pieces of filter floss, then have to turn everything off and disassemble the entire sump to get to what you want and then have to buy custom filters etc. etc. (like that sump/canister you were looking at)
For lighting - you don't need anything special. I would look into getting some six foot T8 shop lights, and replacing the bulbs with one 10k daylight and one actinic bulb. That would give you enough light to make your fishes color pop but not be enough light to cause (much) of an algae problem.
 

snakeblitz33

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There is a lot more to it then that, of course. That's just some of the basics. You'll also need a return pump to match your (Eshopps) external overflow siphon. If the return pump ever stops, the siphon also stops and does not "break" so when you turn on your return pump, the siphon continues. If you need a video, I'll make one of my own tank.
I highly recommend reading a few good books like "The conscientious Marine Aquarist" by Bob Fenner and get a few guide books like "Guide to Marine Fishes" and "Guide to Marine Invertebrates" so you can get started working on your stock list. You have to make sure that everything is compatible with everything else - including your clean up crew and other invertebrates. Also, something else you need to do is check out the New Hobbyist section of the website for the "lets talk about cycling" thread and the "101 tips and tricks for new hobbyists" read over those thoroughly before making any rash decisions.
I also have a series of articles I wrote that you may find interesting and helpful.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/388776/snakes-methods
 

b20forlife

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Ok so I received my tank and Stan today. There is no way to put a sump underneath the tank because the design of the cabinet. I have only 2 section were I could probably put about a 10 gal sump if that. So I think im going have have to research into a hob filtration system. I was thinking of using a reef octopus lx2000s hob skimmer. I think its rated for 150 gallons. Also I was planning on putting 2 of the marlin 350 canisters as additional filtration. I know the canisters are real pain because you have to clean them often right? Will this be enough filtration? Ill also have 100lbs of live rock and 100lbs of live sand. Am I atleast on the right track or way off on my filtration?
 

sweatervest13

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Originally Posted by b20forlife http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436618
Ok so I received my tank and Stan today. There is no way to put a sump underneath the tank because the design of the cabinet. I have only 2 section were I could probably put about a 10 gal sump if that. So I think im going have have to research into a hob filtration system. I was thinking of using a reef octopus lx2000s hob skimmer. I think its rated for 150 gallons. Also I was planning on putting 2 of the marlin 350 canisters as additional filtration. I know the canisters are real pain because you have to clean them often right? Will this be enough filtration? Ill also have 100lbs of live rock and 100lbs of live sand. Am I atleast on the right track or way off on my filtration?
Congrats on the new tank and welcome to the site!!!
I just recently went to a 125g tank and I love it. Snakeblitz33 is helping me make a algae scrubber for some extra filtration. Here are my thoughts for your filtration along with a little side story on what happened to me, for what its worth.
I started by buying a 72x18x18" tank off of Craig's list for like $275.00 came with everything needed for a nice fresh water setup. UV sterilizers, air stones, stand, and all that. The more I researched the more I realized that I wanted to have a sump underneath the stand. I looked into the external overflows (like Snake was suggestion) but the fact that they can (unlikely but still could happen) lose the siphon made me a bit nervous. Then I looked into drilling the tank and installing some aftermarket internal overflows (check out glass-holes.com). But when I added up the cost of doing that plus the fact I would be drilling hole in a used tank also made me VERY nervous. So with the extra cost to add overflows I found that I could purchase a brand new 125g (same dimensions) for close to the same price. I sold the tank on Craig's list for like $200.00, I kept the stand frame, heaters, and some other small stuff. Took the $ and ordered a Reef Ready tank.
I might have spent and extra $100.00 compared to if I just drilled the used tank and put in the aftermarket overflows.
Then I bought a 36G sump to put under the stand... Got it home and of course it was a tight fit to get it in, only to realize that once I got it in it was not coming out EVER. I also noticed that I was not going to be able to service any equipment inside the stand. So back to the store went the sump. I ended up and was fortunate enough to have the Best wife ever and Lucky enough to have a big closet next to where the tank was going. SO in the "Fish room" went the bigger sump.
Now you might not have room for a fish room. But I think you can get away with doing a sump underneath your stand. There is a thread on here where someone made a sump system using two tanks under the stand. I think it was a 20g tall and a 20g long.. I think that it was Sparty that did it on a big tank. This is a bit harder then making it out of a 30g like Seth said but still could be done. I think you would be fine using an external overflow like the Eshopps. It would be more work up front to get all this going this way but I think you would be much happier with it in the long run. Check out the look of some tanks that don't have a sump. They get all junkie looking with all the stuff hanging on the back of the tank. Plus depending on were you put the DT you might not be able to walk behind the tank to service the equipment.
So, I think that a good sump system ( you could totally do a DIY!!), a good skimmer (the ones Snake said are all on the good side), and maybe a scrubber along with a good amount of flow and LR inside the DT should be all the filtration you need.
Good luck with setting up the tank. Keep us posted on what you decide to do for filtration. Oh and remember, We LOVE to see pictures!!!!
Ryan.
 

snakeblitz33

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I'm tellin' yah, stay away from canisters. They create more problems then they are worth. This is coming from a guy who has owned over 100 saltwater tanks.
When you get your tank, spraypaint the back of it with your choice color spray paint. Krylon spraypaint works the best, but the cheap stuff works too. One can of it can cover a 2x2ft area. The color black makes the fish and corals colors "pop" more. Blue is also pretty.
Get two Emperor 400 Pro biowheels for filtration. They are spacious, they have excellent filtering capacity, they can be easily modified into a combination refugium/filter. They are also easily customizeable and they have an extra two media baskets where you can add filtration media such as GFO to. I like em' and have used them successfully in the past.
Also, it's not so much as filtration power, as biological filtration that you get from live rock and water flow. Consider getting a couple of really strong powerheads, giving you a minimum of 20x the volume of your tank turnover rate. Something like two hydor Koralia 1400s would work well for your tank, along with either a Rio powerhead or a maxijet powerhead to blow water behind your rock work.
To save a little money, you can mix your rock... 50% base rock, 50% live rock. If you add more base rock than live rock, you will constantly have algae problems for the first year of your tanks life.
 

luvmyreef

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Hey Snake, what is wrong with a canister if you only run carbon and maybe polishing or filter pads. And stay away from bioballs,ceramics, etc.? I thought that with the spray bars for the return, they would move the surface water, etc. And with those mods, would not be nitrate factories??? Any input.
 

b20forlife

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436674
I'm tellin' yah, stay away from canisters. They create more problems then they are worth. This is coming from a guy who has owned over 100 saltwater tanks.
When you get your tank, spraypaint the back of it with your choice color spray paint. Krylon spraypaint works the best, but the cheap stuff works too. One can of it can cover a 2x2ft area. The color black makes the fish and corals colors "pop" more. Blue is also pretty.
Get two Emperor 400 Pro biowheels for filtration. They are spacious, they have excellent filtering capacity, they can be easily modified into a combination refugium/filter. They are also easily customizeable and they have an extra two media baskets where you can add filtration media such as GFO to. I like em' and have used them successfully in the past.
Also, it's not so much as filtration power, as biological filtration that you get from live rock and water flow. Consider getting a couple of really strong powerheads, giving you a minimum of 20x the volume of your tank turnover rate. Something like two hydor Koralia 1400s would work well for your tank, along with either a Rio powerhead or a maxijet powerhead to blow water behind your rock work.
To save a little money, you can mix your rock... 50% base rock, 50% live rock. If you add more base rock than live rock, you will constantly have algae problems for the first year of your tanks life.
ok so 2 emperor 400s for the filtratrion, 2 koralia 1400s with a rio power head to keep the water moving. and for the rock im just going to buy all live rock to try to reduce on algie problems. What about a protein skimmer? will i not need one?
 

b20forlife

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Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436676
Hey Snake, what is wrong with a canister if you only run carbon and maybe polishing or filter pads. And stay away from bioballs,ceramics, etc.? I thought that with the spray bars for the return, they would move the surface water, etc. And with those mods, would not be nitrate factories??? Any input.
would like to know this also
 

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436676
Hey Snake, what is wrong with a canister if you only run carbon and maybe polishing or filter pads. And stay away from bioballs,ceramics, etc.? I thought that with the spray bars for the return, they would move the surface water, etc. And with those mods, would not be nitrate factories??? Any input.
I wouldn't run any filtration media in them at all, but most canisters require some filter media in it to keep the pump from clogging or the output from clogging. Also, they are really easy to make small errors with - such as not closing off the ball valves and having them siphon water onto the floor when your cleaning. (happened a few times to me) They are also much messier to clean than a HOB filter, IME. Plus, HOB filters such as the Emperor 400s have chemical media baskets which are really easy to access and change when needed - instead of a canister filter which requires the whole thing to be turned off, a towel to be laid down, the ball valves closed, the lid taken off and gone to the sink etc. etc. water everywhere... just a lot of hassle - and you know it is so you avoid doing it as much/often as you should.
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Originally Posted by b20forlife
http:///t/389097/newbie-125gal-filtration-set-up#post_3436679
ok so 2 emperor 400s for the filtratrion, 2 koralia 1400s with a rio power head to keep the water moving. and for the rock im just going to buy all live rock to try to reduce on algie problems. What about a protein skimmer? will i not need one?
I liked your skimmer choice. :D
 
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