No more obamacare

reefraff

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As long as the government has a unionized monopoly on the school system it will never get any better. Breaking the teacher's union might make it work but as long as there is no incentive to produce a better product I don't see things getting any better.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3213584
Because the running mate dictates and sets policy.

You didn't vote for McCain because you were so anti-bush you figured anyone with an R behind their name was more bush. Never even taking into account McCain blasted bush and was nothing like him....and DEFINITELY more of a centrist than Obama. You speak of wanting someone more in the middle, yet you vote for the two guys that have the most left voting record in the senate....Your actions have yet to match your words.
You also claim I state Obama wants to destroy this country., I have never said anything remotely like it. In fact, I have stated I believe, he Believes, his course is what is best for the country.
Your defense that no matter who got handed this mess would do poorly (even Reagan) is crap. Reagan was handed a very similar mess (unemployment was already in double digits) and he did very well.
many presidents before have thrown money at economic crisis and everytime they have, they last close to a decade....you do a tax cut and within 3-4 years they are over. Ask Clinton, he will tell you. He did a tax cut...he also didn't throw a bunch of money (billions of dollars) at the economic recession he inherited. So my dislike for Obama's policy is because they have been proven to fail already....
No seriously. I thought if McCain actually supported a nutcase like Palin as his running mate, there's no way he could run this country. You may think she has potential, but it was one of the main reasons he lost. Like I said, I voted for Bush his first term. I liked his views more than Gore's, and respected his policies and platform. But then he got power hungry, and started this country on a downward spiral. Going back to Iraq pretty much sealed the deal for me.
Again, you keep referencing history. Economic trends change as time goes by. If we followed all the principles of the Founding Fathers today, we all be living like they did in the Middle Ages. You need to look forwards, not backwards. And no, I don't think Reagan could do any better. Some of his economic policies weren't the best. I know the Conservative's like to use Reaganomics as the cornerstone example on how to run this country, but I don't know how they would apply with today's economic problems.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3213648
It hasn't been ethat long, but when I took the SAT a 1600 was a perfect score...
What is wrong with incentivising learning, if anything when my parents offered me money for good grades, I made the good grades. Although they had to up the anti 10 bucks for lots of work vs playing outside wasn't worth it...
I think the real question is why are kids failing the TAKS if they are in the top 5% of their graduating class, what does that say about the school? I've seen some of the tests, and they aren't hard...
They changed the SAT a couple years ago. A perfect score now is 2400.
Giving incentives as a parent is one thing. Baiting a kid with incentives just to get them to pass a standardized test is something else.
You're right. I know some kids who say the tests are a joke. My older daughter has ADHD, and has suffered her entire school life with passing TAKS tests. She just can't focus when it comes to taking standardized tests. She had a 98 average in her Algebra class her Freshman year, but couldn't pass the Math TAKS test. When she took them again during her Junior year, my wife and I were waiting for the bad news. Amazingly, she passed all five on her first try. We figured it was the 'incentives' her high school gave her. If she didn't pass all her TAKS tests, she couldn't go off-campus for lunch.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3213662
They changed the SAT a couple years ago. A perfect score now is 2400.
Giving incentives as a parent is one thing. Baiting a kid with incentives just to get them to pass a standardized test is something else.
You're right. I know some kids who say the tests are a joke. My older daughter has ADHD, and has suffered her entire school life with passing TAKS tests. She just can't focus when it comes to taking standardized tests. She had a 98 average in her Algebra class her Freshman year, but couldn't pass the Math TAKS test. When she took them again during her Junior year, my wife and I were waiting for the bad news. Amazingly, she passed all five on her first try. We figured it was the 'incentives' her high school gave her. If she didn't pass all her TAKS tests, she couldn't go off-campus for lunch.

Then baiting them worked.
I have ADD. Albeit a mild case. Taking stuff like the SAT suck. But imo sometimes you have to fish or cut bait. And we shouldn't be insulating kids to that, just because they're kids. Especially in high school.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3213654
No seriously. I thought if McCain actually supported a nutcase like Palin as his running mate, there's no way he could run this country. You may think she has potential, but it was one of the main reasons he lost. Like I said, I voted for Bush his first term. I liked his views more than Gore's, and respected his policies and platform. But then he got power hungry, and started this country on a downward spiral. Going back to Iraq pretty much sealed the deal for me.
Again, you keep referencing history. Economic trends change as time goes by. If we followed all the principles of the Founding Fathers today, we all be living like they did in the Middle Ages. You need to look forwards, not backwards. And no, I don't think Reagan could do any better. Some of his economic policies weren't the best. I know the Conservative's like to use Reaganomics as the cornerstone example on how to run this country, but I don't know how they would apply with today's economic problems.
Do tell, most every credible analyst I have heard, Democrat and Republican alike estimated she was good for a couple points for him.
Nut case? If Alaska's current fiscal condition compared to the rest of the nation is the result of having a nutcase in charge I say you should start emptying the mental institutions into DC.
 

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213737
Do tell, most every credible analyst I have heard, Democrat and Republican alike estimated she was good for a couple points for him.
Given the average voter, I'll buy that entirely. Tough job being an analyst in that situation...
"No-one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
H.L. Mencken
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213737
Do tell, most every credible analyst I have heard, Democrat and Republican alike estimated she was good for a couple points for him.
Nut case? If Alaska's current fiscal condition compared to the rest of the nation is the result of having a nutcase in charge I say you should start emptying the mental institutions into DC.
Come on Reef, Alaska's current fiscal condition has very little to do with Palin and everything to do with the amount of federal dollars they receive plus they have fossil fuels. Also that program they have that gives money to every single person regardless of if they pay taxes or not is getting dangerously close to socialism. How about Alaska uses that money instead of my tax dollars to keep the lights on.
Fishtaco
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3213768
Come on Reef, Alaska's current fiscal condition has very little to do with Palin and everything to do with the amount of federal dollars they receive plus they have fossil fuels. Also that program they have that gives money to every single person regardless of if they pay taxes or not is getting dangerously close to socialism. How about Alaska uses that money instead of my tax dollars to keep the lights on.
Fishtaco
Such a lack of understanding... Do you purposely do this?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3213667
Then baiting them worked.
I have ADD. Albeit a mild case. Taking stuff like the SAT suck. But imo sometimes you have to fish or cut bait. And we shouldn't be insulating kids to that, just because they're kids. Especially in high school.
So even if a kid is successful and makes good grades that in most other states is adequate enough to graduate, it's "Too bad, so sad" if they can't pass a bunch of standardized tests? Yea, let's see your kid go through four years of high school, pass all their classes with A's and B's, earn all the required credits to graduate, then fail just ONE of the five TAKS tests and the school tells you, "Sorry, your child will not be able to graduate, and can't attend the school's graduation ceremony. They can take the GED test to get their high school accredidation if they prefer." Just one of life's lessons.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3213768
Come on Reef, Alaska's current fiscal condition has very little to do with Palin and everything to do with the amount of federal dollars they receive plus they have fossil fuels. Also that program they have that gives money to every single person regardless of if they pay taxes or not is getting dangerously close to socialism. How about Alaska uses that money instead of my tax dollars to keep the lights on.
Fishtaco
Might want to research her record as both governor and before she became governor. She is the exact kind of person we need in politics.
They tax the oil production and share it with the citizens of the state rather than use it to put up buildings to glorify politicians, wasn't Palin's idea but the idea is a novel one that works. Other states should try it
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3213965
So even if a kid is successful and makes good grades that in most other states is adequate enough to graduate, it's "Too bad, so sad" if they can't pass a bunch of standardized tests? Yea, let's see your kid go through four years of high school, pass all their classes with A's and B's, earn all the required credits to graduate, then fail just ONE of the five TAKS tests and the school tells you, "Sorry, your child will not be able to graduate, and can't attend the school's graduation ceremony. They can take the GED test to get their high school accredidation if they prefer." Just one of life's lessons.

If a kid earned those A's and B's they certainly should be able to pass a test to prove it.
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213987
Might want to research her record as both governor and before she became governor. She is the exact kind of person we need in politics.
They tax the oil production and share it with the citizens of the state rather than use it to put up buildings to glorify politicians, wasn't Palin's idea but the idea is a novel one that works. Other states should try it
Except the fact that neither of you have addressed the amount of federal dollars that Alaska receives per capita. Sorry I mentioned Palin even, geez what was the last post about her 125 post? I want better for this country than Palin for the next president, she is just too zany for me and the media circus surrounding her reminds me of the great British tradition of royal watching.
Fishtaco
 

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3213987
Might want to research her record as both governor and before she became governor. She is the exact kind of person we need in politics.
They tax the oil production and share it with the citizens of the state rather than use it to put up buildings to glorify politicians, wasn't Palin's idea but the idea is a novel one that works. Other states should try it
Except the fact that neither of you have addressed the amount of federal dollars that Alaska receives per capita. Sorry I mentioned Palin even, geez what was the last post about her 125 post? I want better for this country than Palin for the next president, she is just too zany for me and the media circus surrounding her reminds me of the great British tradition of royal watching.
Fishtaco
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3214016
Except the fact that neither of you have addressed the amount of federal dollars that Alaska receives per capita. Sorry I mentioned Palin even, geez what was the last post about her 125 post? I want better for this country than Palin for the next president, she is just too zany for me and the media circus surrounding her reminds me of the great British tradition of royal watching.
Fishtaco
Virgina and Maryland receive the most federal dollars per capita, over Alaska. Kentucky and New Mexico are close behind Alaska.
Of the top 5 states that receive federal dollars per capita...ONLY ALASKA does not maintain a budget deficit. So the excuse they recieve money from the fed doesn't hold up...since two other states receive more and have a deficit.
With that said, Palin does rub me the wrong way....
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3213654
Again, you keep referencing history. Economic trends change as time goes by. If we followed all the principles of the Founding Fathers today, we all be living like they did in the Middle Ages. You need to look forwards, not backwards. And no, I don't think Reagan could do any better. Some of his economic policies weren't the best. I know the Conservative's like to use Reaganomics as the cornerstone example on how to run this country, but I don't know how they would apply with today's economic problems.
Reaganomics, might work differently in the current atmosphere. However looking ahead without looking behind you at the same time doesn't work. We have tried govt. spending to stimulate the economy in the past...we already know how that turns out.
I can see your point about Palin. She was the reason my wife voted for the over educated retard we have now. She wishes she can take it back now since she did like McCain...but couldn't stand Palin....I think Palin brought in then hard right people that might not have voted for either casndidate as they were to liberal for them.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3213965
So even if a kid is successful and makes good grades that in most other states is adequate enough to graduate, it's "Too bad, so sad" if they can't pass a bunch of standardized tests? Yea, let's see your kid go through four years of high school, pass all their classes with A's and B's, earn all the required credits to graduate, then fail just ONE of the five TAKS tests and the school tells you, "Sorry, your child will not be able to graduate, and can't attend the school's graduation ceremony. They can take the GED test to get their high school accredidation if they prefer." Just one of life's lessons.

Hey, better to not graduate, than to not have food on the table...
Besides you did just say that the innovative incentives for the students helped your daughter pass...
Originally Posted by reefraff

http:///forum/post/3213987
Might want to research her record as both governor and before she became governor. She is the exact kind of person we need in politics.
They tax the oil production and share it with the citizens of the state rather than use it to put up buildings to glorify politicians, wasn't Palin's idea but the idea is a novel one that works. Other states should try it
I love the argument, never mind the actual results, low taxes, balanced budget, no deficit, she's just a socialist. These other dems should love her if she was really a socialist.
 

srfisher17

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Alaska doesn't tax oil production in the ordinary sense; they consider oil the property of the State and its citizens and share the profits. California could cure its debt problem tomorrow by using this logic and drilling offshore.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/3214080
Alaska doesn't tax oil production in the ordinary sense; they consider oil the property of the State and its citizens and share the profits. California could cure its debt problem tomorrow by using this logic and drilling offshore.
Because the state owns most of the land they are drilling on...
 

ironeagle2006

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Also why does Alaska recieve so much Federal money. Lets see here Elemdorf AFB Fairchild AFB the Ealry Warning System Network the Coast Gaurd Bases. Then you have the Army Bases up there. IIRC from getting this info from my brother that 20% of all the people IN ALASKA are US MILITARY OR THERE DEPENDANTS. So when 1 in 5 are Military you get paid by Goverment so that counts as Goverment Money. Also Alaska sends MORE MONEY TO THE REST OF THE STATES THAN IT DOES GET.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3214119
Also why does Alaska recieve so much Federal money. Lets see here Elemdorf AFB Fairchild AFB the Ealry Warning System Network the Coast Gaurd Bases. Then you have the Army Bases up there. IIRC from getting this info from my brother that 20% of all the people IN ALASKA are US MILITARY OR THERE DEPENDANTS. So when 1 in 5 are Military you get paid by Goverment so that counts as Goverment Money. Also Alaska sends MORE MONEY TO THE REST OF THE STATES THAN IT DOES GET.

You are explaining figures they are not talking about. Military spending does not fall into the same category. Otherwise Arizona and other states would have a much higher per capita figure.
 
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