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i<3reefs

i<3reefs

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Uneverno,
You are aware that the sources you cited is a Union funded website primarly by the UFCW? The UFCW has been trying to organize Wal-Mart employees forever now, and they fail time and time again. I don't believe anything they say, since it is always slanted to their businesses cause. That is like reading the Daily KOS or Newsmax, and believing it all to be fact.
Sam was the first to make it a campaign, there is a big difference between a campaign and an Ideal. I'm confident the Ideal has been around since we gained independence.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3060124
Was that an obama press release, I couldn't tell...
What is that word you keep using in this thread?
Ignorance....
Actually if you look at the end of the article, it shows it originally came from the New York Times. I guess if it isn't pro-Bush, pro-conservative, or pro-republican, then it must be fabricated data.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3060085
Intersting read on the subject...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31199889/
That is a prime example of the bias in the mainstream media and explains why FOX news is growing while most other media like the times are losing business left and right.
I am not saying Bush is blameless but according to that dribble it's all Bushes fault. They gloss over the Clinton Recession Bush inherited, 9-11 etc. I didn't read the whole article but I would bet they didn't mention the fact the meltdown might have been avoided or at least lessened had the Bush proposal to increase oversight of Freddie and Fanny not been shot down by a mostly Democratic group in the Congress and Senate.
But forgetting all that nonsense do you think Obama's spending policies are going to improve what he inherited from W?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3060172
That is a prime example of the bias in the mainstream media and explains why FOX news is growing while most other media like the times are losing business left and right.
I am not saying Bush is blameless but according to that dribble it's all Bushes fault. They gloss over the Clinton Recession Bush inherited, 9-11 etc. I didn't read the whole article but I would bet they didn't mention the fact the meltdown might have been avoided or at least lessened had the Bush proposal to increase oversight of Freddie and Fanny not been shot down by a mostly Democratic group in the Congress and Senate.
But forgetting all that nonsense do you think Obama's spending policies are going to improve what he inherited from W?
nope
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by taznut
http:///forum/post/3059728
first, i understand the costs of running a business, i haven't done it but i have been involved in setting one up (long story and doesnt really pertain so i will skip it)...
2nd, if you can do the job great, it must be a small company, thats not what i am talking about here... and it would depend on your definition of 'competent enough', from the wording of that remark it sounds like your the type of person i am complaining about... and what are you willing to pay??? are you expecting perfection for 10$/hr... if you are willing to pay what the job is truly worth you wouldnt have trouble finding someone to do it...
Really now. Funny. I own a grooming salon for dogs....High end...My minimum charge is 50 dollars. I paid my employees 50% commission. This averages out (if I or my wife do the work) to about 25 dollars an hour minimum.....
I like how you assumed I was paying around 10 an hour or less.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3060253
Really now. Funny. I own a grooming salon for dogs....High end...My minimum charge is 50 dollars. I paid my employees 50% commission. This averages out (if I or my wife do the work) to about 25 dollars an hour minimum.....
I like how you assumed I was paying around 10 an hour or less.
Remember everyone who owns a business made their money on the backs of the poor peasants. They were rounded up and forced into indentured service.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3060291
btw you left wingers complaining about outsourcing, obama just outsourced an entire company to Fiat...
No, that's called SAVING a company from liquidating and closing their doors. Hate to tell you, but Chrysler was 'outsourced' years ago when Iacocca sold them to Daimler.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3060172
But forgetting all that nonsense do you think Obama's spending policies are going to improve what he inherited from W?
That was the point you missed by not reading the whole article.
According to the article itself, the answer is: No.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by I<3Reefs
http:///forum/post/3060051
Uneverno,
You are aware that the sources you cited is a Union funded website primarly by the UFCW?
Yes, I am aware. That's why I included the "sources cited" comment. It's the union's job to compile the material. What they've compiled however, is a series of articles from major media organizations ranging from the NY Times, AP, to the Wall Street Journal along w/ US Dept of Health and Human Svcs reports. None of those sources are owned or influenced by the UFCW, AFAIK.
I didn't intend for my post to become a diatribe specifically against Walmart - I was making a larger point, within which I cited some specific examples (not just Walmart). As you have rightly pointed out, Target is guilty of similar tactics, as is Kohl's.
We could discuss Blood Diamonds, "Fair Trade" coffee/cocoa or computer assembly/chip manufacture instead. The same general principles apply.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3060302
No, that's called SAVING a company from liquidating and closing their doors. Hate to tell you, but Chrysler was 'outsourced' years ago when Iacocca sold them to Daimler.
I saw a few news stories saying that Chrysler had secured financing, but the obama administration forced them into bankruptcy....
 
i<3reefs

i<3reefs

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Uneverno,
Oh, I love the topic of this thread. I just have to defend the company that has given me everything I have for the last 22 years of my life.
The Daily KOS, and Newsmax take their articles from major contributors from all major forms of media. Source of information doesn't change the bias behind it. The point I was making is that they will only link information that furthers their business effort. Choosing something as a source from an independent researcher would impress me more. I don't trust the major media outlets since they are all a product designed towards entertaining people instead of telling the truth.
To say they are not influenced is a stretch beyond provable fact. The UFCW took out a 100 million dollar add blitz in the major media trying to discredit my company with our customers a couple years ago (remember the MSNBC Walmart specials?). This failed, after they were done spending their money, our customers confidence in us had actually improved. My point is that money buys influence in media, they have lobbiest in who buy influence in Government the same as any other business.
The UFCW represents Homeland employees, and they hire their cashiers in here for $8 an hour. You should also be a critic of that union, and that grocery store.
I've always been curious how much money the leaders of the major unions make. I assume this is public information.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by I<3Reefs
http:///forum/post/3060702
Uneverno,
Oh, I love the topic of this thread. I just have to defend the company that has given me everything I have for the last 22 years of my life.
The Daily KOS, and Newsmax take their articles from major contributors from all major forms of media. Source of information doesn't change the bias behind it. The point I was making is that they will only link information that furthers their business effort. Choosing something as a source from an independent researcher would impress me more. I don't trust the major media outlets since they are all a product designed towards entertaining people instead of telling the truth.
To say they are not influenced is a stretch beyond provable fact. The UFCW took out a 100 million dollar add blitz in the major media trying to discredit my company with our customers a couple years ago (remember the MSNBC Walmart specials?). This failed, after they were done spending their money, our customers confidence in us had actually improved. My point is that money buys influence in media, they have lobbiest in who buy influence in Government the same as any other business.
The UFCW represents Homeland employees, and they hire their cashiers in here for $8 an hour. You should also be a critic of that union, and that grocery store.
I've always been curious how much money the leaders of the major unions make. I assume this is public information.

You know I had never really shopped at Walmart until the smear campaign against them hit high gear. That Christmas I spent better than a grand buying presents at Walmart. I think about a hundred bucks was spent at other places that year. Try to buy there as much as possible ever since.
 
i<3reefs

i<3reefs

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I do think blood diamonds (African) definitely apply to what your talking about, as well as most of the mining industry in South America. Fair trade beans makes great sense, supply and demand applies to all products sold. I'm glad to see those farmers figured out a way to earn more from their production.
Actually the last two Democratic Presidents have done the most to hurt unions since I can remember. Bill Clinton signed us up in the WTO, and now Obama has allowed 2 of the 3 car manufacturers to fold. Dems believe more in globalization than any other party outside of the Socialist. I've always found it funny how people can vote for someone who does not represent their employer fairly. I wonder how many people in the oil industry voted for Obama. I wonder how many of those folks have a 2nd career in mind after he dismantled the American Oil Industry with new environment policies.
Is anyone here ready to start paying their carbon tax?
 
i<3reefs

i<3reefs

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As for pure politics, I believe this country's government started failing its people after the passage of the 17th amendment. This amendment changed Senators from being appointed officials to elected officials. This amendment changed who Senators were elected by, state officials or cash donors. This amendment changed who Senators represent, their state or cash donors. The 17th amendment should go, so this country can go back to being more of a republic.
The Federal Government should go back to only regulating what it is allowed to regulate by the constitution.
The Federal Government should step up, and control our borders, a country without borders, ceases to exist as a country.
The election process for our Presidency should go directly to a weekly debate forum with strict debate rules. The elected officials of each party should be allowed to attend. Participating parties should be determined by a percentage of enrollment of the population of this country (excluding any parties that use hate speech). This would allow the voters to take back who should be president instead of the cash donors. There is no real reason to raise so much money, when the government can broadcast all the debates on PBS.
anyways I'm going to sleep.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3060618
I saw a few news stories saying that Chrysler had secured financing, but the obama administration forced them into bankruptcy....
Isn't that what the Republican's wanted? If Chrysler couldn't continue on their own, even after the initial bailout, let them go bankrupt. Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work? If you can't survive after bankruptcy, close the doors.
I heard on the news last night all these percentages of who owns Chrysler now. No one can seem to figure out whose gonna run the place. Fiat has only a 35% share, while the UAW Pension Fund has 50%, and the Feds are taking the rest and creating some 'board' that consistes of the four major brands that exist within Chrysler (Crysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Fiat?). However, the Feds say the Fiat CEO will run the company. So exactly how will this work? With the UAW owning half, are they going to continue status quo with inflated salaries and benefits and just run the new company further into debt?
 
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