North Korea DID IT

[pezenfuego]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/3008906
in 98 what? they just did it when they launched the missile over Japan.

North Korea provoked international anger when it test-fired a Taepodong-1 missile – a less sophisticated version of the rocket now being primed for takeoff – over Japanese territory in 1998.
NVM

 

[reefraff]

I would be surprised if there are enough crazy midgets in control in North Korea that they would make a move that would ensure their extermination by our retaliation. If they hit Ak or Hawaii and they weren't blown off the map whoever was president would be forcibly removed from the white house by an angry mob. I figure it wouldn't take a whole lot of convincing for the VP to press the button at that point.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/3008886
I agree.....While we may not like rogue nations having missles, nukes, etc. aren't we the only country who has actually dropped an H bomb on humans? (I understand the reasoning and support the decision made to use it in WW2.)
Seems the countries that have 'the bomb' want no one else to 'join the club'.
This might sound trite, but if everyone around us had nukes we would surely be trying to develop one despite UN sanctions, etc.
I don't like N.K. having nukes but I understand why they want them. I agree with mantis that we should be prepared to stike quickly and with devastating force if there is reason to do so. But to do so when they are testing is not wise.
Great idea...you just tel the families in Hawaii or Alaska, "Sorry, you are going to have to take one for the team. It isn't right we have nukes and they don't so we are going to allow them to have a long range missle capablity as well."
After all a country that openly violates human rights regularly and has a crazy tyrant style leader is very trustworthy and should own atleast one nuclear weapon...................
Darth (while we are at it lets give Iran the green light to develop as well) Tang

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3009002
Great idea...you just tel the families in Hawaii or Alaska, "Sorry, you are going to have to take one for the team. It isn't right we have nukes and they don't so we are going to allow them to have a long range missle capablity as well."
After all a country that openly violates human rights regularly and has a crazy tyrant style leader is very trustworthy and should own atleast one nuclear weapon...................
Darth (while we are at it lets give Iran the green light to develop as well) Tang
So, If we did not have nukes and they did, would you support our right to develop one despite our neighboring countries and U.N. objections? That is my point.
In my naive utopian society I would remove all nuclear warheads.
Sure, as if that would ever happen.

 

[firestorm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3009002
After all a country that openly violates human rights regularly and has a crazy tyrant style leader is very trustworthy and should own atleast one nuclear weapon...................
Tang
why not...until the election, we (the US) fit all that criteria...arguably...

perfect world no one has them
imperfect world, least it creates balance
and if we created this - notice when we named the 'axis of evil' the one we invaded didn't have nukes, but the other two sure as hell started scrambling to get them...if i was in their position, I'd be doing the same...nice deterrent to being invaded if you can, as De Gaulle (sp) said for the French, 'rip off an arm' by nuking a state :/

 

[beth]

Al, your point is well taken, but in this situation, it really isn't about being fair, or understanding why they want to do it, its about a totalitarian, militaristic government (such as the one in Nazi Germany) having access to satellite technology and possibly testing nuclear delivery systems. What is fair doesn't enter in to it.
N. Korea is a threat to the region and possibly even the USA....we should have shot that missile down without qualm or regret or hesitation. We would have too, 50 years ago.

 

[spanko]

Agree Beth, we should have shown we have the technology, if we do, to shoot it down. Not just so SK knows but so the rest of the world knows.
On a side note anyone think that this is the "test" Biden said would come in the first 6 months of Obama's presidency or is there something even more "provacative", to use Obama's description, out there?

 

[beth]

Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3009060
Agree Beth, we should have shown we have the technology, if we do, to shoot it down.
Rest assured, we are more than capable of shooting it down with the greatest of ease...but chose not to.
Once it flew over Japan's space, it should have been knocked down. Though, if it were up to me, it would have never left the launch pad.

 

[ironeagle2006]

I think the ONLY reason the NK's waited was simple BUSH was still in office til Jan think about it. This Missle was ready WAY before this. If they had tried to launch this before Obama took office Bush would and Could have BLOW IT OUT OF THE SKY. He may have blown it up on the pad also. The World knows that Obama will assume the same position that Clinton did when confronted aka BEND OVER and take it where the Sun does not shine. Hell Obama can not even get his meet the Queen Protocol right or meeting the King of Saudi Ariabia right he has to show we are weaker than the Saudis to the rest of the Middle East is his Posture and Actions. By doing that he is opening up the USA to more attacks both here and Aboard.

 

[deejeff442]

+1 ironeagle
the reason north korea was not supposed to shoot the missle is because they have started trouble in the past.
seems that russia and china arent even too happy about it.
kills me that little crappy countries like iran and n.k. can cause so much world trouble.
they add nothing good the the world.
the un is a joke how many times has the un threatned iran about the nuke's and yet they still go ahead.
odd how n.k. is one of the poorest countries in the world yet have millions for a satillite missle.
it was reported that the usa dont see any satillite up there.
a country is only as strong as thier armed forces.
that is why we are the top dog in the world.
when obama cuts our military down to nothing these little countries that are building thier forces will be more of a threat and demand more respect they dont deserve.

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3008951
I would be surprised if there are enough crazy midgets in control in North Korea that they would make a move that would ensure their extermination by our retaliation. If they hit Ak or Hawaii and they weren't blown off the map whoever was president would be forcibly removed from the white house by an angry mob. I figure it wouldn't take a whole lot of convincing for the VP to press the button at that point.
Well, nobama is well own his way to giving this country away bit by bit, and I don't see any mob yet. We now have a wimp in the White House and America is seen as a wimpy country. God help us all.

 

[mantisman51]

Read post # 2.

But, I don't think it is reasonable to tell any other nation what to do or not to do. We just need to have the strength of character and military to make even the the most "rogue" nations understand that we will not hesitate to use whatever force is necessary to defend ourselves. That was Ronaldus Magnus' great strength, he didn't tell others what to do. He let them know what we would do to protect ourselves.

 

[bionicarm]

If we would have shot tha missle down, NK would be setting a second one up right now. However, that one would have a nuclear tip on it. There's a time to wield power, and there's a time for diplomacy. Right now, provoking NK, and possibly Russia and China, is not the most prudent thing to do.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30035197/
Wll Al MC, it appears Obama has the same sentiments as you..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30053670

 

[mantisman51]

Does anyone really think countries bent on conquest will actually get rid of their nukes? If we got rid of ours, we would be at the mercy of whoever else cheated and didn't quite get around to dismantling theirs.

 

[reefraff]

Even if NK was crazy enough to sit a nuke on top of a second missile they wouldn't have a chance to launch it.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3009854
Even if NK was crazy enough to sit a nuke on top of a second missile they wouldn't have a chance to launch it.
But that's the problem. They've now showed their hand. They've proven they have the technology and capability to launch a long range missile. If they wanted to launch one, they could. However, if they did do something as stupid as let one fly, it would never clear their airspace. I imagine Japan will go on high alert, and the US and UN will do everything in their power to provide them with whatever protection they need. This of course reeks of irony. The country that started one of the biggest World Wars in the history of mankind, possibly being allowed to protect themselves with any type of missile. Is Japan even allowed to have missile weaponry? Wasn't that part of the terms of their surrender to the US?

 

[deejeff442]

funny it depends where you get the info.nk says they got thier sattilite up and now the us said it didnt make it and fizzled in the ocean.
how dont they know if the thing was a success or not?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3010057
funny it depends where you get the info.nk says they got thier sattilite up and now the us said it didnt make it and fizzled in the ocean.
how dont they know if the thing was a success or not?

The US certainly isn't the only country with the ability to track the trajectory of the missile. I haven't heard france or China claim it was a satellite launch.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009914
But that's the problem. They've now showed their hand. They've proven they have the technology and capability to launch a long range missile. If they wanted to launch one, they could. However, if they did do something as stupid as let one fly, it would never clear their airspace. I imagine Japan will go on high alert, and the US and UN will do everything in their power to provide them with whatever protection they need. This of course reeks of irony. The country that started one of the biggest World Wars in the history of mankind, possibly being allowed to protect themselves with any type of missile. Is Japan even allowed to have missile weaponry? Wasn't that part of the terms of their surrender to the US?
We knew how many days before the thing was launched? We could blow the thing off the pad before they ever launched it if we wanted too.
At some point the people of a country have to be held to account for their leaders actions. As far as I am concerned we should just starve them out until they revolt and install new leaders.

 

[spanko]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3010235
At some point the people of a country have to be held to account for their leaders actions. As far as I am concerned we should just starve them out until they revolt and install new leaders.
Problem is Russia and China won't abide by starving them out. Plus I heard today that China would rather have the current regime in power than risk the turmoil that would ensue if it were not. So what that tells me is China is never going to do anything to harm Kim Jong Il.