Obama a murtadd?

reefraff

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I originally went looking for some crazy right wing blog BS about Obama to make a point about the constant posting of left wing blogger rants as fact here by the Obamites. Tripped over this which I find a little troubling. I place a little more credibility in this man's opinions and research than the Bloggers.
As was reported by the LA Times, Obama occasionally attended mosque in Indonesia with his stepfather and received daily teaching in the Koran in school where he was registered as a Muslim. Obama even mentions the koran study in his book.
What matters about all this is spelled out in the bolded paragraph below. Whether Obama considered himself a Muslim isn't the issue. The wack jobs who fly planes into buildings or blow up buses full of women and children might.
This article includes media matters attempt to discredit the original Times story. Trouble is the story is backed up by other sources. I never really thought the whole went to mosque thing and studying the koran in school was a big deal and in fact a positive. This changes my mind on that.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/article...0islamhtml.htm
“Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia” – implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.
· “Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said” – confirming that he did pray in the mosque.
· “Obama’s 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family [said that] ‘Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo’” – confirming that Obama attended mosque services.
All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he “for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."
Therefore, what MMfA calls the “Obama-Muslim falsehood” is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate.
Calling this a falsehood is in itself a falsehood."
 

rylan1

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You know even if he were a muslim, which he is clearly not.... this just shows how intolerant we are of religion... we are supposed to be a country with the Freedom of religion...but I guess that is not true...
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2744177

You know even if he were a muslim, which he is clearly not.... this just shows how intolerant we are of religion... we are supposed to be a country with the Freedom of religion...but I guess that is not true...
Keith Ellinson (sp) seems to be treated pretty well. That article talks about what MUSLIM law says MUSLIMS must do when one of their own changes religion. Really think it's a stretch that the same people who flew airplanes into buildings full of innocent people will consider Obama an Apostate?
 

texasmetal

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2744184
Keith Ellinson (sp) seems to be treated pretty well. That article talks about what MUSLIM law says MUSLIMS must do when one of their own changes religion. Really think it's a stretch that the same people who flew airplanes into buildings full of innocent people will consider Obama an Apostate?
As far as fanatical muslims go, yes.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2744191
As far as fanatical muslims go, yes.
Exactly! I should have made that point. If you look through the old testament of the bible there are some pretty brutal laws too so I am not knocking Muslims. Making the point these wackjubs who want to kill us anyway will use this as another excuse.
 

texasmetal

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2744200
Exactly! I should have made that point. If you look through the old testament of the bible there are some pretty brutal laws too so I am not knocking Muslims. Making the point these wackjubs who want to kill us anyway will use this as another excuse.
Yup. No different than the "Fire and Brimstone" folks who go into abortion clinics with pistols and commit murder.
Way I see it is, the man surely knows this. And doing what he's doing knowing that, takes some balls.
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2744145
All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

This is the point. Not discussing how intolerant we are or not. But how intolerant muslims are of converted muslims to other religions.
Originally Posted by Rylan1

http:///forum/post/2744177
You know even if he were a muslim, which he is clearly not.... this just shows how intolerant we are of religion... we are supposed to be a country with the Freedom of religion...but I guess that is not true...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2744407
Yup. No different than the "Fire and Brimstone" folks who go into abortion clinics with pistols and commit murder.
Way I see it is, the man surely knows this. And doing what he's doing knowing that, takes some balls.
Except for every fire and brimstone wackp there are about 1,000 muslim wackos/
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2744177

You know even if he were a muslim, which he is clearly not.... this just shows how intolerant we are of religion... we are supposed to be a country with the Freedom of religion...but I guess that is not true...
We are tolerant, they are not. Did you read the post? It would be militant Muslims who would hurt Mr. Obama, not those of us "clinging to guns and religion with antipathy to those different".
The only "religion" of Obama that matteres to me is his socialism.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2744759
We are tolerant, they are not. Did you read the post? It would be militant Muslims who would hurt Mr. Obama, not those of us "clinging to guns and religion with antipathy to those different".
The only "religion" of Obama that matteres to me is his socialism.
In my humble opinion these "militant Muslims" will want him dead because he's an American. They need no other reason. Do you think they want President Bush dead? Do you think they want you dead? I believe the answer to those questions is yes.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2744801
In my humble opinion these "militant Muslims" will want him dead because he's an American. They need no other reason. Do you think they want President Bush dead? Do you think they want you dead? I believe the answer to those questions is yes.
I tend to think this the case vs. them going after him because he went to a mosque for the short time his folks were together.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2744801
In my humble opinion these "militant Muslims" will want him dead because he's an American. They need no other reason. Do you think they want President Bush dead? Do you think they want you dead? I believe the answer to those questions is yes.
Remember all the rage over Rushdie's book or the comics that ran in the Dutch paper? The radicals did use those incidents to stir up even more mainstream Muslims.
 

texasmetal

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2744829
Remember all the rage over Rushdie's book or the comics that ran in the Dutch paper? The radicals did use those incidents to stir up even more mainstream Muslims.
And the school teacher who they wanted sentenced to death because she named the teddy bear in the class "Muhammad"...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2744834
And the school teacher who they wanted sentenced to death because she named the teddy bear in the class "Muhammad"...
Well whoever gets elected the world and particularly the Europeans are going to have to start standing up to some of the more moderate muslims who go overboard on this crap. As a Christian I don't particularly care for some of the ways the left smears my religion but I am not out to kill anyone over it. Could you imagine the firestorm it would create if someone did a movie portraying Muhammad as gay?
 
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