Obama and Oprah...
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rylan1
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In regards to Clinton and Obama... I think you should give african americans more credit for their choice in candidates.... If you look at the candidates and their poll #'s... Obama's majority support is not from African Americans... Clinton at this present time has more support... But people pick candidates for several reasons... not just their views. What I don't understand is why the polls have Obama as being the most honest, has most integrity, and people believe he offers best chance for change and bringing the country together... yet he's thought of as not having the best chance to win. With any voting system.. popularity and presumtions of who has the best chance to win often decide the winners.
As far as Republicans and them not getting the African American majority vote.... what would you expect? Until the party decides to acknowledge them... show up to debates that have African American audiences, and show that they have concerns and a plan that includes them... they will never get that vote.
I would have to say Obama and Huckabee in my opinion are running the best campaigns. Their endorsers have helped them and I believe Oprah is a very credible endorser given her position with woman and internationally.
As far as Republicans and them not getting the African American majority vote.... what would you expect? Until the party decides to acknowledge them... show up to debates that have African American audiences, and show that they have concerns and a plan that includes them... they will never get that vote.
I would have to say Obama and Huckabee in my opinion are running the best campaigns. Their endorsers have helped them and I believe Oprah is a very credible endorser given her position with woman and internationally.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by Toeknee
Support from the KKK
have you had time to watch his response to that on fox?
made perfect sense.
To sift through and screen the amount of donations he receives a day would be ridiculous.
And the KKK just so happens to support his views it doesnt work the other way around since they donated.
This is true, but they know who they get support from... It would have been wise to return the donation and make a statement about it. Its like saying its okay to take a donation from a murderer or drug dealer.. Its not... The reason why he kept it is because he needs all he can get, which is a whole lot... he has no chance. The only response would be to return it, and say thank you, but no thank you.
Support from the KKK
have you had time to watch his response to that on fox?
made perfect sense.
To sift through and screen the amount of donations he receives a day would be ridiculous.
And the KKK just so happens to support his views it doesnt work the other way around since they donated.
This is true, but they know who they get support from... It would have been wise to return the donation and make a statement about it. Its like saying its okay to take a donation from a murderer or drug dealer.. Its not... The reason why he kept it is because he needs all he can get, which is a whole lot... he has no chance. The only response would be to return it, and say thank you, but no thank you.
rudedog40
Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
In regards to Clinton and Obama... I think you should give african americans more credit for their choice in candidates.... If you look at the candidates and their poll #'s... Obama's majority support is not from African Americans... Clinton at this present time has more support... But people pick candidates for several reasons... not just their views. What I don't understand is why the polls have Obama as being the most honest, has most integrity, and people believe he offers best chance for change and bringing the country together... yet he's thought of as not having the best chance to win. With any voting system.. popularity and presumtions of who has the best chance to win often decide the winners.
As far as Republicans and them not getting the African American majority vote.... what would you expect? Until the party decides to acknowledge them... show up to debates that have African American audiences, and show that they have concerns and a plan that includes them... they will never get that vote.
I would have to say Obama and Huckabee in my opinion are running the best campaigns. Their endorsers have helped them and I believe Oprah is a very credible endorser given her position with woman and internationally.
You're absolutely correct that Clinton has more of the black vote. Why do you think he grabbed Oprah for his campaign tour? To kill two birds with one stone - suck both the black and women vote from Hillary. I think it's pretty sad he has to resort to that kind of extreme. All the national polls have had Hillary ahead of him from the start. Now that it's going into crunch time (if you call almost a year before the election that), he has to try and make a move.
In regards to Clinton and Obama... I think you should give african americans more credit for their choice in candidates.... If you look at the candidates and their poll #'s... Obama's majority support is not from African Americans... Clinton at this present time has more support... But people pick candidates for several reasons... not just their views. What I don't understand is why the polls have Obama as being the most honest, has most integrity, and people believe he offers best chance for change and bringing the country together... yet he's thought of as not having the best chance to win. With any voting system.. popularity and presumtions of who has the best chance to win often decide the winners.
As far as Republicans and them not getting the African American majority vote.... what would you expect? Until the party decides to acknowledge them... show up to debates that have African American audiences, and show that they have concerns and a plan that includes them... they will never get that vote.
I would have to say Obama and Huckabee in my opinion are running the best campaigns. Their endorsers have helped them and I believe Oprah is a very credible endorser given her position with woman and internationally.
You're absolutely correct that Clinton has more of the black vote. Why do you think he grabbed Oprah for his campaign tour? To kill two birds with one stone - suck both the black and women vote from Hillary. I think it's pretty sad he has to resort to that kind of extreme. All the national polls have had Hillary ahead of him from the start. Now that it's going into crunch time (if you call almost a year before the election that), he has to try and make a move.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
You're absolutely correct that Clinton has more of the black vote. Why do you think he grabbed Oprah for his campaign tour? To kill two birds with one stone - suck both the black and women vote from Hillary. I think it's pretty sad he has to resort to that kind of extreme. All the national polls have had Hillary ahead of him from the start. Now that it's going into crunch time (if you call almost a year before the election that), he has to try and make a move.
I agree, but I don't think he grabbed her... She's been a supporter of him for a long time... They both live in Chicago and he has been on her show before and a speaker at her events... I honestly think they have a good relationship outside of politics... But everybody has celebrity sponsors... Hilary has Steisand ... Huckabee --Chuck Norris, and so on.
You're absolutely correct that Clinton has more of the black vote. Why do you think he grabbed Oprah for his campaign tour? To kill two birds with one stone - suck both the black and women vote from Hillary. I think it's pretty sad he has to resort to that kind of extreme. All the national polls have had Hillary ahead of him from the start. Now that it's going into crunch time (if you call almost a year before the election that), he has to try and make a move.
I agree, but I don't think he grabbed her... She's been a supporter of him for a long time... They both live in Chicago and he has been on her show before and a speaker at her events... I honestly think they have a good relationship outside of politics... But everybody has celebrity sponsors... Hilary has Steisand ... Huckabee --Chuck Norris, and so on.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by mie
1 year to go. He is gaining strenth, and popularity.
If you dont mind me asking, who are you voting for?
If thats for me I don't know yet. There is an outfit called "Unity 08" that wants to make a independent run with a centrist Pub and Dem. Depending who they picked as the D and R end up I was thinking strongly about voting for that ticket IF the dem was Obama and the Pub was Rudy in the general election. Since learning of Obama's support for an all out Ban on handguns I will not risk him being elected. I cannot in good conscience not do everything in my power to prevent him from becoming president.
1 year to go. He is gaining strenth, and popularity.
If you dont mind me asking, who are you voting for?
If thats for me I don't know yet. There is an outfit called "Unity 08" that wants to make a independent run with a centrist Pub and Dem. Depending who they picked as the D and R end up I was thinking strongly about voting for that ticket IF the dem was Obama and the Pub was Rudy in the general election. Since learning of Obama's support for an all out Ban on handguns I will not risk him being elected. I cannot in good conscience not do everything in my power to prevent him from becoming president.
reefkprz
Active Member
at first I considered strongly to vote for hillary but personally think her term in office would ruin it for the next female to run for president. personally I dont think she has the right perspective and goals for our country for me to vote for her. I would love to see a female president but not at the expense of our country.
reefkprz
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
Since learning of Obama's support for an all out Ban on handguns I will not risk him being elected. I cannot in good conscience not do everything in my power to prevent him from becoming president.
I agree, on that point, his ban on handguns would make it so only criminals had them..... that wouldnt do us much good. the right to bear arms is one of the founding fixtures of this country for a couple reasons.
1 for the ability of people to protect themselves
2 for the ability of the people as a whole or in large to stage a rebbellion should the government get out of controll
3 for the ability of the public to defend their homes and our country against foriegn invaders should the situation ever arrive.
we need to make tougher laws that punish illeagle ownership of hand guns and firearms, not ban owning them.
Since learning of Obama's support for an all out Ban on handguns I will not risk him being elected. I cannot in good conscience not do everything in my power to prevent him from becoming president.
I agree, on that point, his ban on handguns would make it so only criminals had them..... that wouldnt do us much good. the right to bear arms is one of the founding fixtures of this country for a couple reasons.
1 for the ability of people to protect themselves
2 for the ability of the people as a whole or in large to stage a rebbellion should the government get out of controll
3 for the ability of the public to defend their homes and our country against foriegn invaders should the situation ever arrive.
we need to make tougher laws that punish illeagle ownership of hand guns and firearms, not ban owning them.
salty blues
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefkprZ
I agree, on that point, his ban on handguns would make it so only criminals had them..... that wouldnt do us much good. the right to bear arms is one of the founding fixtures of this country for a couple reasons.
1 for the ability of people to protect themselves
2 for the ability of the people as a whole or in large to stage a rebbellion should the government get out of controll
3 for the ability of the public to defend their homes and our country against foriegn invaders should the situation ever arrive.
we need to make tougher laws that punish illeagle ownership of hand guns and firearms, not ban owning them.
Criminals don't care about laws, tough or otherwise. That's what makes them criminals.
I agree, on that point, his ban on handguns would make it so only criminals had them..... that wouldnt do us much good. the right to bear arms is one of the founding fixtures of this country for a couple reasons.
1 for the ability of people to protect themselves
2 for the ability of the people as a whole or in large to stage a rebbellion should the government get out of controll
3 for the ability of the public to defend their homes and our country against foriegn invaders should the situation ever arrive.
we need to make tougher laws that punish illeagle ownership of hand guns and firearms, not ban owning them.
Criminals don't care about laws, tough or otherwise. That's what makes them criminals.
dogstar
Active Member
I e-mailed his campain and just got this today.
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I
appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly
agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the
rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or
the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have
to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of
the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and
effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of
violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
Not much detail there and I was suprised that I even got a responce actualy.
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I
appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly
agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the
rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or
the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have
to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of
the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and
effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of
violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
Not much detail there and I was suprised that I even got a responce actualy.
saltymac
Member
Ron Paul has my vote...........He want to decrease big government, ebolish the IRS get rid of the federal reserve (careful Ron, you know what happened to the two presidents who tried it before) Im all for it, do some research people, hilary and osama (on purpose) aint the answer, and neither is rudy. Its time WE THE PEOPLE took action against the elected people that WE put into office. I for one think that politics should not be a career. If you spend more than 4 years in your specific office, you have been doing things for personal gain, not for the benefit of the place or people you represent. This of course is IMO and being a previous federal employee and a current local government, I have seen so much fraud, waste and abuse, that I cant wait to find a better or equivalent job. It makes me sick to my stomache when I see first hand the crap that goes on..........the department I work for can do a job on overtuime for around 800k......but the idiots in charge awarded the contract to a company (that has political family member ties) for the lowest bidder cost of 2.2 million. Its crap tlike this (that I cant do anything about) that makes me want to quit. But for some reason the local news media never mentions these things........... they just do the all bad news all the time. (LOOK OUT ITS GOING TO SNOW!!!!!!!!!1 Beter go get bread and milk and toilet paper.............) NEways .............vote, but I say reelect NOONE. tHANKS FOR LISTENING TO MY VENT...............
reefraff
Active Member
The thing about Ron Paul is he isn't a Republican, he is a libertarian who had enough sense to understand he could not be elected running as a Libertarian.
I agree with the libertarian platform more than any other. But I have ran for local office, helped run a few State Rep campaigns and a governor's race. I have studied politics and understand where the Libertarians want to go and how they want to get there. The problem is when a casual voter (Probably 70 to 80% of those who end up voting) Hears a sound bite about ending income taxes and eliminating the IRS they think "yeah, right nutjob". Ron Paul hasn't helped in the debates. He needs to grab hold of a couple of the key Libertarian issues and really explain how it can be done and the benefits.
I agree with the libertarian platform more than any other. But I have ran for local office, helped run a few State Rep campaigns and a governor's race. I have studied politics and understand where the Libertarians want to go and how they want to get there. The problem is when a casual voter (Probably 70 to 80% of those who end up voting) Hears a sound bite about ending income taxes and eliminating the IRS they think "yeah, right nutjob". Ron Paul hasn't helped in the debates. He needs to grab hold of a couple of the key Libertarian issues and really explain how it can be done and the benefits.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
I e-mailed his campain and just got this today.
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I
appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly
agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the
rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or
the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have
to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of
the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and
effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of
violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
Not much detail there and I was suprised that I even got a responce actualy.
I think this is a great response... what more did you expect? It also discredits the statement made above about him wanting to outlaw guns.
I e-mailed his campain and just got this today.
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I
appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly
agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the
rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or
the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have
to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of
the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and
effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of
violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
Not much detail there and I was suprised that I even got a responce actualy.
I think this is a great response... what more did you expect? It also discredits the statement made above about him wanting to outlaw guns.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by saltymac
Ron Paul has my vote...........He want to decrease big government, ebolish the IRS get rid of the federal reserve (careful Ron, you know what happened to the two presidents who tried it before) Im all for it, do some research people, hilary and osama (on purpose) aint the answer, and neither is rudy. Its time WE THE PEOPLE took action against the elected people that WE put into office. I for one think that politics should not be a career. If you spend more than 4 years in your specific office, you have been doing things for personal gain, not for the benefit of the place or people you represent. This of course is IMO and being a previous federal employee and a current local government, I have seen so much fraud, waste and abuse, that I cant wait to find a better or equivalent job. It makes me sick to my stomache when I see first hand the crap that goes on..........the department I work for can do a job on overtuime for around 800k......but the idiots in charge awarded the contract to a company (that has political family member ties) for the lowest bidder cost of 2.2 million. Its crap tlike this (that I cant do anything about) that makes me want to quit. But for some reason the local news media never mentions these things........... they just do the all bad news all the time. (LOOK OUT ITS GOING TO SNOW!!!!!!!!!1 Beter go get bread and milk and toilet paper.............) NEways .............vote, but I say reelect NOONE. tHANKS FOR LISTENING TO MY VENT...............
Ron Paul... he was on TV Sun morning so I decided to watch since some of you mentioned he may be a good candidate.... I was very displeased of what I saw... He answered questions as if he was Pres Bush and needed someone to feed him responses. He had a hard time expressing his views because they were contradictory from his past statements and previous presidential campaign... He also got caught up because his district recieved the most aid in the USA, yet he campaigns against this type of stuff... He is a flip flopper... Research him and you'll see he is not a worthy candidate.
Ron Paul has my vote...........He want to decrease big government, ebolish the IRS get rid of the federal reserve (careful Ron, you know what happened to the two presidents who tried it before) Im all for it, do some research people, hilary and osama (on purpose) aint the answer, and neither is rudy. Its time WE THE PEOPLE took action against the elected people that WE put into office. I for one think that politics should not be a career. If you spend more than 4 years in your specific office, you have been doing things for personal gain, not for the benefit of the place or people you represent. This of course is IMO and being a previous federal employee and a current local government, I have seen so much fraud, waste and abuse, that I cant wait to find a better or equivalent job. It makes me sick to my stomache when I see first hand the crap that goes on..........the department I work for can do a job on overtuime for around 800k......but the idiots in charge awarded the contract to a company (that has political family member ties) for the lowest bidder cost of 2.2 million. Its crap tlike this (that I cant do anything about) that makes me want to quit. But for some reason the local news media never mentions these things........... they just do the all bad news all the time. (LOOK OUT ITS GOING TO SNOW!!!!!!!!!1 Beter go get bread and milk and toilet paper.............) NEways .............vote, but I say reelect NOONE. tHANKS FOR LISTENING TO MY VENT...............
Ron Paul... he was on TV Sun morning so I decided to watch since some of you mentioned he may be a good candidate.... I was very displeased of what I saw... He answered questions as if he was Pres Bush and needed someone to feed him responses. He had a hard time expressing his views because they were contradictory from his past statements and previous presidential campaign... He also got caught up because his district recieved the most aid in the USA, yet he campaigns against this type of stuff... He is a flip flopper... Research him and you'll see he is not a worthy candidate.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
I think this is a great response... what more did you expect? It also discredits the statement made above about him wanting to outlaw guns.
Educate yourself. Obama favored a ban on handguns, Supported a bill to ban all Simi automatic guns, Limiting hand gun purchases to one a month, and Supports a national law to make concealed carry illegal for anyone but ex military or law enforcement. Just this alone make him unsuitable for my vote but I dug up more, Opposes parental notification in the case of a minor child seeking an abortion, Opposed prohibiting women on welfare from gaining additional benefits if they have more children etc.
I can't believe I actually thought this SOB was not bad guy
Here's the info on a couple of the gun deals
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...tml?source=rss
In 1996, when he was running for a seat in the Illinois Senate, Obama's campaign filled out a questionnaire flatly stating that he did not support capital punishment. By 2004, his position was that he supported the death penalty "in theory" but felt the system was so flawed that a national moratorium on executions was required.
Today, he doesn't talk about a moratorium and says the death penalty is appropriate for "some crimes - mass murder, the ---- and murder of a child - so heinous that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage."
Then there's another crime-related issue, gun control.
That 1996 questionnaire asked whether he supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. The campaign's answer was straightforward: "Yes." Eight years later, he said on another questionnaire that "a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable" but reasonable restrictions should be imposed.
His legislative record in Illinois shows strong support for gun restrictions, such as limiting handgun purchases to one a month, but no attempts to ban them. Today, he stands by his support for controls while trying to reassure hunters that he has no interest in interfering with their access to firearms.
Obama's presidential campaign contends that voters can't learn anything about his views from the 1996 questionnaire, which was for an Illinois good-government group known as the IVI-IPO. Aides say Obama did not fill out the questionnaire and instead it was handled by a staffer who misrepresented his views on gun control, the death penalty and more.
"Barack Obama has a consistent record on the key issues facing our country," said spokesman Ben LaBolt. "Even conservative columnists have said they'd scoured Obama's record for inconsistencies and found there were virtually none."
IVI-IPO officials say it's inconceivable that Obama would have let a staffer turn in a questionnaire with incorrect answers. The group interviewed Obama in person about his answers before endorsing him in that 1996 legislative race, and he didn't suggest then, or anytime since, that the questionnaire needed to be corrected, they said.
I think this is a great response... what more did you expect? It also discredits the statement made above about him wanting to outlaw guns.
Educate yourself. Obama favored a ban on handguns, Supported a bill to ban all Simi automatic guns, Limiting hand gun purchases to one a month, and Supports a national law to make concealed carry illegal for anyone but ex military or law enforcement. Just this alone make him unsuitable for my vote but I dug up more, Opposes parental notification in the case of a minor child seeking an abortion, Opposed prohibiting women on welfare from gaining additional benefits if they have more children etc.
I can't believe I actually thought this SOB was not bad guy
Here's the info on a couple of the gun deals
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...tml?source=rss
In 1996, when he was running for a seat in the Illinois Senate, Obama's campaign filled out a questionnaire flatly stating that he did not support capital punishment. By 2004, his position was that he supported the death penalty "in theory" but felt the system was so flawed that a national moratorium on executions was required.
Today, he doesn't talk about a moratorium and says the death penalty is appropriate for "some crimes - mass murder, the ---- and murder of a child - so heinous that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage."
Then there's another crime-related issue, gun control.
That 1996 questionnaire asked whether he supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. The campaign's answer was straightforward: "Yes." Eight years later, he said on another questionnaire that "a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable" but reasonable restrictions should be imposed.
His legislative record in Illinois shows strong support for gun restrictions, such as limiting handgun purchases to one a month, but no attempts to ban them. Today, he stands by his support for controls while trying to reassure hunters that he has no interest in interfering with their access to firearms.
Obama's presidential campaign contends that voters can't learn anything about his views from the 1996 questionnaire, which was for an Illinois good-government group known as the IVI-IPO. Aides say Obama did not fill out the questionnaire and instead it was handled by a staffer who misrepresented his views on gun control, the death penalty and more.
"Barack Obama has a consistent record on the key issues facing our country," said spokesman Ben LaBolt. "Even conservative columnists have said they'd scoured Obama's record for inconsistencies and found there were virtually none."
IVI-IPO officials say it's inconceivable that Obama would have let a staffer turn in a questionnaire with incorrect answers. The group interviewed Obama in person about his answers before endorsing him in that 1996 legislative race, and he didn't suggest then, or anytime since, that the questionnaire needed to be corrected, they said.