Obama's Communist/Marxist ties

crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2590547
Crimzy,
I think you'd better read the Constitution, Federalist Papers, Washington's Farewell address, Declaration of Independance, and Gettysburg Address.
Obama's vision of gov't more closely resembles that of King George, rather than that of George Washington.

Just out of curiosity, what is it about my questions that leads you to conclude that I am unfamiliar with the Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc.? Is it just that you believe I'm an Obama supporter so I must be a communist-lover? Or is it that I posed a question or two to the OP about his conclusions?
Do opposing views threaten you so much that you must conclude that they are the result of a lack of knowledge? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
 
crashbandicoot

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by newtoit
http:///forum/post/2590544
and a recession and an economy in the dumps school shootings need I continue?

So some how you are now blaming the president for school shootings ?

We covered that in another thread and there is no need to rehash it here .
Economy in the dumps ? Recession ?
What economic choices have you made lately that would point to the fact that we as a nation are in a bad way ? I seriously want to try and understand where this is coming from . Because I am far from well off and I seam to do just fine .
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590601
Listen to McCain's response to being blasted on the Gas Tax...
Summarized...
" Maybe with that extra $30 bucks you save at the pump ($2.35 per fill up from E to F) you can buy an extra meal at the end of the summer, or buy your kid an extra gift.... Never mind the defecit it would create. Never mind the construction jobs that may be lost as a result. Never mind the much needed attention our highyways and bridges need."

That is a false summary. Obviosly you have not thought about this to hard and just drink from the fountain that is Obama. The TRUTH is it will save far more than that. How? Factor in shipping costs. How much does it cost to fill up a tractor trailer. Private truck drivers will save far more than 30 dollars. The shipping costs for goods will not be as high as the tractor trailer fuel price will come down a bit. Therefore your produce, clothes, and other goods will also come down in price. The truth is gas prices affect the price of EVERYTHING. Therefore the savings would be far more than 30 dollars. This is what you would save filling up your car alone.
Right now it costs over 1000 dollars to fill up a tractor trailer.......how much will that working man save at the pump.
Keep drinking from the fountain....I will stick with thinking for myself and figuring out the big picture.
Fixing infrastructure is the responsibility of the state...not the fed. Please stop harping about this. What is the point of the state and local governments if people like you keep looking to the fed to solve these issue....
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2590604
Just out of curiosity, what is it about my questions that leads you to conclude that I am unfamiliar with the Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc.? Is it just that you believe I'm an Obama supporter so I must be a communist-lover? Or is it that I posed a question or two to the OP about his conclusions?
Do opposing views threaten you so much that you must conclude that they are the result of a lack of knowledge? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
Quite the opposite, I'm very well educated. I can match degrees with anyone.
I enjoy a good debate, what scares me is the way Obama and Clinton will give away the farm and ignore the Constitution for a vote. Yes, it is harder to live with individual liberty rather than gov't support, but that is what our Founding Fathers wanted a country of rugged independant free people.
I can hold a powder horn my ancestor used in the Revolutioanary War in my hands. It has 7 notches for the 7 Redcoats he shot.
If you are so familiar with the Constitution, how can you support socialist candidates? The Constitution puts the power with the people and the State, NOT the federal Gov't. In fact, the Constitution puts forth a small weak federal gov't, not the 800 lbs gorilla we have today.Your candidate, wants ALL the power in the federal government. If you are an Obama suporter, you are supporting the most liberal memeber of the Senate. You are supporting socialist beliefs on how Obama wants to run the country. If you support a socialist, that makes you socialist does it not?
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2590708
Quite the opposite, I'm very well educated. I can match degrees with anyone.
I can hold a powder horn my ancestor used in the Revolutioanary War in my hands
If you are so familiar with the Constitution, how can you support socialist candidates? The Cosntitution puts the power with the people and the State, NOT the federal Gov't. Your candidate, wants ALL the power in the federal government. If you are an Obama suporter, you are supporting the most liberal memeber of the Senate. You are supporting socialist beliefs on how Obama wants to run the country. If you support a socialist, that makes you socialist does it not?
It's crazy that you could obtain all those degrees without being literate...
Can you tell me where I indicated that I am supporting Obama for President?
Again, it's just that I raised some questions of the OP that seemed to threaten you. For some reason my questions caused you to want to challenge my knowledge. I have no interest in being baited into a juvenile online pissing match. So you may as well go back to playing with your muskets.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590561
I guess if you have a roof over your head and food in your belly that's good enough

Not quite, I do not want that food provided for me by the gov't. I feel much more satisfied working for my own food and shelter. I would never feel right taking the fruits of others' labor. I pray I never am in that situation, so I plan my whole life around independance.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2590733
It's crazy that you could obtain all those degrees without being literate...
Can you tell me where I indicated that I am supporting Obama for President?
Again, it's just that I raised some questions of the OP that seemed to threaten you. For some reason my questions caused you to want to challenge my knowledge. I have no interest in being baited into a juvenile online pissing match. So you may as well go back to playing with your muskets.


Maybe I assumed too much based on your replies; however, your seem to be defending Obama's views.
Those muskets made you free.
You want to debate socialism and the Constitution, let's go.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2590641
That is a false summary. Obviosly you have not thought about this to hard and just drink from the fountain that is Obama. The TRUTH is it will save far more than that. How? Factor in shipping costs. How much does it cost to fill up a tractor trailer. Private truck drivers will save far more than 30 dollars. The shipping costs for goods will not be as high as the tractor trailer fuel price will come down a bit. Therefore your produce, clothes, and other goods will also come down in price. The truth is gas prices affect the price of EVERYTHING. Therefore the savings would be far more than 30 dollars. This is what you would save filling up your car alone.
Right now it costs over 1000 dollars to fill up a tractor trailer.......how much will that working man save at the pump.
Keep drinking from the fountain....I will stick with thinking for myself and figuring out the big picture.
Fixing infrastructure is the responsibility of the state...not the fed. Please stop harping about this. What is the point of the state and local governments if people like you keep looking to the fed to solve these issue....
Highways and Bridges are federally funded. Look it up.
So tractor trailers carry 250 gallons of gas? I don't know, but based on your $1000 figure, and with gas being around $4 for diesel... Savings would be $60.
If your figues are correct.
But you are not looking at the big picture... This is not going to change costs that much, and any potential savings will not be passed on to the customes. Gas has increased by more than the $.18 and $.24 in the last month. This will not have the effect you think it does.. Besides, demand will increase and prices will continue to rise.. You also have to take into account what happens when Sept hits... gas prices will be at $4.00 then anyway.. and you add the tax back. Prices are going to remain the same if not higher. This does nothing to address the problem.
This is just political grand standing... it will do nothing, but compound our problems.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2590708
Quite the opposite, I'm very well educated. I can match degrees with anyone.
I enjoy a good debate, what scares me is the way Obama and Clinton will give away the farm and ignore the Constitution for a vote. Yes, it is harder to live with individual liberty rather than gov't support, but that is what our Founding Fathers wanted a country of rugged independant free people.
I can hold a powder horn my ancestor used in the Revolutioanary War in my hands. It has 7 notches for the 7 Redcoats he shot.
If you are so familiar with the Constitution, how can you support socialist candidates? The Constitution puts the power with the people and the State, NOT the federal Gov't. In fact, the Constitution puts forth a small weak federal gov't, not the 800 lbs gorilla we have today.Your candidate, wants ALL the power in the federal government. If you are an Obama suporter, you are supporting the most liberal memeber of the Senate. You are supporting socialist beliefs on how Obama wants to run the country. If you support a socialist, that makes you socialist does it not?
Obama is a Constitutional Law professor at a prestigious school... but I guess you will say you know more than him, right?
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2590407
Just curious about the above. I'm wondering if you actually know what you are talking about or are just spewing McCarthyistic, anti-Obama rhetoric?

This is the quote in question. Sure sounds like someone defending/supporting Obama to me.
BTW good job with the personal attacks. Libs are good at that when confronted by FACTS.
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2590604
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2590761
This is the quote in question. Sure sounds like someone defending/supporting Obama to me.
BTW good job with the personal attacks. Libs are good at that when confronted by FACTS.
those comments are just asking you to elaborate on your views/comments... it really doesn't suggest support for or support against Obama.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590758
Highways and Bridges are federally funded. Look it up.
So tractor trailers carry 250 gallons of gas? I don't know, but based on your $1000 figure, and with gas being around $4 for diesel... Savings would be $60.
If your figues are correct.
But you are not looking at the big picture... This is not going to change costs that much, and any potential savings will not be passed on to the customes. Gas has increased by more than the $.18 and $.24 in the last month. This will not have the effect you think it does.. Besides, demand will increase and prices will continue to rise.. You also have to take into account what happens when Sept hits... gas prices will be at $4.00 then anyway.. and you add the tax back. Prices are going to remain the same if not higher. This does nothing to address the problem.
This is just political grand standing... it will do nothing, but compound our problems.
You would be correct in a socialist society. However this is capitalism where americans are always looking for the best price. Therefore if the price of fuel goes down so does the cost of shipping thus does the cost of the final good. Why does this work, because Americans again are always looking for the lowest price. So one company takes that fuel savings and drops their price to boost overall sales forcing other companies to also lower their prices if they wish to compete. This is how it works and how the savings would be much bigger for americans all the way around. If you think otherwise you need to learn how capitalism works.
You think americans won't shop around for a cheaper price? Then why do so many store have a meet and beat program on pricing. It would take just one major corp or chain to drop their prices on everything and everyone will follow suit....I have seen this at work......But keep drinking from the fountain. Your candidate just wants to tax tax tax tax that is the bottomline.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Oscar, Crimzy is an old school debater around here. He may have liberal leanings but that is always not his agenda or does not mean he supports the position he argues, Remember he is a lawyer and that is what he does....argues......lol
Good to see ya back in the mix a bit more Crimzy....lookng forward to when you and I cross debate on a subject.
 
beth

beth

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Both socialism and capitalism are social economic philosophies and socialism wasn't invented at the time of our constitution. Both capitalist and socialist can be democratic, or they can be fascists (exceedingly extreme right) or communists (exceedingly extreme left). What Americans want, socialism or capitalism, is not a slam dunk either way. Obviously many prefer a capitalistic economy and many others prefer a socialist. I believe the majority probably prefer something in between the hard left and right of the two.
If winning people over to your viewpoint is the goal, probably associating their beliefs with being communists isn't going to get it. Good arguments and debates challenge the mind, not individuals.
Unfortunately, you don't see much of that in these redundant topics where inflammation is the goal, not real discussion, debate, or persuasion.
 
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