Ohio State vs Michigan

[browniebuck]

Need I say any more???
Greatest rivalry in all of college football (granted, it has been a little down since Michigan has gone into the tank).
Jim Tressel and his conservative playcalling (nearly caused me a heart attack against Iowa) looking for his 6th consecutive victory against the urine and blow....O H!!!!!!

 

[vinnyraptor]

I O !!!!!!

 

[oscardeuce]

20 years after my last Meechigan game in the 'shoe I remember it like it was yesterday!
Go Bucks!!!

 

[browniebuck]

How many University of Michigan freshmen does it take to change a light bulb???

 

[kjr_trig]

Doesn't mean much....The Wolverines stink, and THE Ohio St has already punched their ticket to Pasadena where they will likely get obliterated by whatever Pac-10 team they play....Again.

 

[browniebuck]

none...freshmen can't do that, it is a sophomore class!!!

 

[browniebuck]

Gotta love the Buckeye haters out there...the Bucks have been to a BCS game for how many consecutive years???
And for your PAC-10 quip...with any other coach in the country, the Buckeyes would have steamrolled USC this year...Jim Tressel is the most conservative coach in college football...he is too afraid of hurting his colleagues' feelings to stomp on them when they are down.
GO BUCKS!!!!
It's 9:52 and Michigan still SUCKS!!!

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3174212
Gotta love the Buckeye haters out there...the Bucks have been to a BCS game for how many consecutive years???
And for your PAC-10 quip...with any other coach in the country, the Buckeyes would have steamrolled USC this year...Jim Tressel is the most conservative coach in college football...he is too afraid of hurting his colleagues' feelings to stomp on them when they are down.
GO BUCKS!!!!
It's 9:52 and Michigan still SUCKS!!!
Gimme a break! Your a Buckeye and you dare to insult Tressel??? That's a joke, OSU is the dominant team in the Big 10 since he took over and you dare rip on him. He is conservative on offense because OSU is lacking at QB. He certainly wasn't conservative with Troy Smith.
The PAC 10 has by far separated itself from the Big 10 the last five years, you can't argue that, that is why OSU or whomever represent the Big 10 consistently has been destroyed in BCS games, they get used to Big 10 opponents throughout the year, then have to play against one of the good conferences in Bowl games and get pounded. The Big 10 has been blown out in 5 of the last 6 BCS Bowls, and have lost all 6.
If Oregon can get healthy on D, they will beat OSU by 3 touchdowns at least. Look what USC did on the road to OSU in front of 106,000 people, and they are 4th or 5th in the PAC 10 this year.

 

[kspops]

With all the talk of how well Ohio State has been playing, and with the weekend of weekends upon us, I have to take up the flag for my home state and yes I do agree, Michigan has not been a contender or fielded a decent team for some years. But There Is Nothing Like the UofM vs OSU game for rivalry.
So Go Blue

(Even if it is Blue and Orange with big teeth that go CHOMP)

 

[crypt keeper]

Big Ten is a joke overall. The beat each other and cant hang with the better conferences. Oh and Im a Big Blue Fan

 

[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3174213
Gimme a break! Your a Buckeye and you dare to insult Tressel??? That's a joke, OSU is the dominant team in the Big 10 since he took over and you dare rip on him. He is conservative on offense because OSU is lacking at QB. He certainly wasn't conservative with Troy Smith.
The PAC 10 has by far separated itself from the Big 10 the last five years, you can't argue that, that is why OSU or whomever represent the Big 10 consistently has been destroyed in BCS games, they get used to Big 10 opponents throughout the year, then have to play against one of the good conferences in Bowl games and get pounded. The Big 10 has been blown out in 5 of the last 6 BCS Bowls, and have lost all 6.
If Oregon can get healthy on D, they will beat OSU by 3 touchdowns at least. Look what USC did on the road to OSU in front of 106,000 people, and they are 4th or 5th in the PAC 10 this year.

First...question Tressel...YES I WILL!!! Agreed that Terrell Pryor is not a polished quarterback (yet)...but you would have to agree that he is the most dangerous player on the OSU roster as an athlete....right??? Why, on 3rd and 5, would you put the ball in anyone else's hands with the outcome of a game still in doubt???
How can you say that the PAC-10 has "by far separated itself" from the Big 10??? Has it been a PAC-10 school that has beaten the Big 10 BCS representative for the past 6 years??? And...how many national championships for the PAC-10 over that span???
and finally...Oregon has a LOT of athletes on their team...they are very dangerous. However, don't count the Buckeyes D out in that game...they are VERY strong!! We will wait and see come January, but...I am a Buckeye through and through, so I will put on my Scarlet and Gray and root my Buckeyes on no matter how many BCS bowls they get to and don't win (who else has been to one so many times in a row???)

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3174242
First...question Tressel...YES I WILL!!! Agreed that Terrell Pryor is not a polished quarterback (yet)...but you would have to agree that he is the most dangerous player on the OSU roster as an athlete....right??? Why, on 3rd and 5, would you put the ball in anyone else's hands with the outcome of a game still in doubt???
How can you say that the PAC-10 has "by far separated itself" from the Big 10??? Has it been a PAC-10 school that has beaten the Big 10 BCS representative for the past 6 years??? And...how many national championships for the PAC-10 over that span???
and finally...Oregon has a LOT of athletes on their team...they are very dangerous. However, don't count the Buckeyes D out in that game...they are VERY strong!! We will wait and see come January, but...I am a Buckeye through and through, so I will put on my Scarlet and Gray and root my Buckeyes on no matter how many BCS bowls they get to and don't win (who else has been to one so many times in a row???)
Why does everybody think they could be a better play caller than their coach

USC destoyed Penn St. last year...And Ohio St.
Pac 10 has won 2 National Championships the last 6 years, 03 and 04 to USC.
PAC 10 5-0 in Bowl Games last year
Big 10 hasn't won the Rose Bowl since 2000....Oregon (if they even make it) by 20+ this year.
Nobody outside the Big 10 thinks the Big 10 is any good.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3174242
First...question Tressel...YES I WILL!!! Agreed that Terrell Pryor is not a polished quarterback (yet)...but you would have to agree that he is the most dangerous player on the OSU roster as an athlete....right??? Why, on 3rd and 5, would you put the ball in anyone else's hands with the outcome of a game still in doubt???
How can you say that the PAC-10 has "by far separated itself" from the Big 10??? Has it been a PAC-10 school that has beaten the Big 10 BCS representative for the past 6 years??? And...how many national championships for the PAC-10 over that span???
and finally...Oregon has a LOT of athletes on their team...they are very dangerous. However, don't count the Buckeyes D out in that game...they are VERY strong!! We will wait and see come January, but...I am a Buckeye through and through, so I will put on my Scarlet and Gray and root my Buckeyes on no matter how many BCS bowls they get to and don't win (who else has been to one so many times in a row???)
When was the last time a Big Two team won the Rose bowl again? I believe the PAC is up 9-3 over the last 3 seasons.

 

[browniebuck]

yeah...the Pac-10 went 5-0 in bowl games last year...but, I really only count bowl games that are played January 1 or later, not the Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl, Emerald Nuts Bowl, Holiday Bowl, or the Brut Sun Bowl...
Last year...USC destroyed my Buckeyes (without our #1 player and with a true freshman quarterback without a year of spring practice under his belt playing a LARGE role...but not making excuses, they got beat last year). I really don't consider 2 touchdowns a "total domination" of Penn State (though I know that the game wasn't really that close), but Penn State wasn't even the best team in the BigTen last year at the end of the season.
BigTen hasn't won the Rose Bowl since 2000...the Buckeyes have had other reservations since the late 1990's, so that really doesn't do anything for me.
And...you are right, nobody outside of BigTen country things that the BigTen is any good...but we continue to send teams to January 1 (or later) bowl games and pump out pro prospects. If OSU plays Oregon in the Rose Bowl...good luck to Oregon and I hope that we see a great game (I know we won't see a blowout on our end...our coach doesn't believe in that type of thing!!!)

 

[browniebuck]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3174255
When was the last time a Big Two team won the Rose bowl again? I believe the PAC is up 9-3 over the last 3 seasons.
they are up 9-3 over the last 3 seasons in the Rose Bowl??? I thought they only played a Rose Bowl once in a season...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3174257
yeah...the Pac-10 went 5-0 in bowl games last year...but, I really only count bowl games that are played January 1 or later, not the Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl, Emerald Nuts Bowl, Holiday Bowl, or the Brut Sun Bowl...
Last year...USC destroyed my Buckeyes (without our #1 player and with a true freshman quarterback without a year of spring practice under his belt playing a LARGE role...but not making excuses, they got beat last year). I really don't consider 2 touchdowns a "total domination" of Penn State (though I know that the game wasn't really that close), but Penn State wasn't even the best team in the BigTen last year at the end of the season.
BigTen hasn't won the Rose Bowl since 2000...the Buckeyes have had other reservations since the late 1990's, so that really doesn't do anything for me.
And...you are right, nobody outside of BigTen country things that the BigTen is any good...but we continue to send teams to January 1 (or later) bowl games and pump out pro prospects. If OSU plays Oregon in the Rose Bowl...good luck to Oregon and I hope that we see a great game (I know we won't see a blowout on our end...our coach doesn't believe in that type of thing!!!)
The only reason the BigTen "continues to send teams to January 1 (or later) bowl games" is because they are considered one of the 'Top Tier' conferences in the country in the minds of the BCS and major Bowl Committees. They will always have one or two teams sent to one of the major bowls, because that's how it's always been done. The College Bowl Series is one of the biggest jokes in the history of football. Unless your college is in one of the 'elite' conferences, you will NEVER be selected to play for the BCS Championship. You can have a totally dominant team in one of the 'lower tier' conferences, win every game against every opponent, and still end up playing in the Grape Nuts Bowl two days after Christmas. Utah got ripped off last year, and TCU will get burned this year. Oklahoma has lost four games this year, and I bet they still will get a Bowl bid. I wouldn't be surprised if the BCS Selection Committee doesn't find a way to have Oklahoma play in one of the Top 3 BCS Bowls over TCU.

 

[theclemsonkid]

So I grew up in Big Ten land (Ohio State), played as a walk on at an ACC school (Clemson), and did my graduate work at a Pac 10 school(Cal Berkley), so I have a little insight to the major shift that is taking place in college football right now.
As many Ohio State fans (and Notre Dame fans for that matter) have seen over the past decade, things ain't what they used to be.
For one, as a general rule, people are leaving the Big Ten states and heading south or west. I'm talking about the general population here. Most of the Big Ten schools are in old manufacturing, industrious areas, and as the general economic shift went from manufacturing to service, the people went with it. Where there are less people, there are fewer athletes to pull from the local "pool".
Secondly, the midwest and northeast have something going against them that they have no control over, and that's the weather. You show me a five star recruit who wants to play in mid 40's with a rain snow mix at Ohio State, and i'll show you 10 five star recruits who would much rather play in the mid 70's in Gainesville, Los Angeles, Austin, Miami...
Then there are the smaller factor things like girls. Like it or not, these are 18 year old males who already have an ego the size of Obama's spending, so of course it's not going to hurt if on your first visit to campus you see a whole campus full of southern belles in their little tank top and short shorts. Compare that to your visit to South Bend, where all the ladies are in hoodies and pea coats. Hormones are hormones.
Now let's look at the coaching schemes these places are running...
The Pac 10, Big 12, and WAC are the teams that will open things up and score 50 points a game, while at the same time give up 35. They are ok with that, because they feel like their offense can beat your defense. Because of that, they get the best QB's and WR's in the country, because they know they have the best shot at showcasing their skills, and getting them to the next level.
The SEC on the other hand, says you give us your best shot, and we'll shove it down your throat. Florida would be happy to beat Alabama 9-7 in a game that featured an INT for TD and three field goals. Because of that, they get far and away the best defensive players in the country, because they know an SEC school gives them the best chance to succeed and get to the NFL.
Now let's look at the Big Ten. Perennial power Ohio State runs a scheme that says good defense and field position win ball games. In the bubble that is the Big Ten, this is a good scheme to run. It's won them the Big Ten title pretty much every year, and sent them to an array of BCS games.
The problem with that on a bigger scale, is that in a "one game playoff", which is essentially what a bowl game is, it's really hard to defend a team who runs a powerful spread offense, or worse to try and score points against a much more physically gifted SEC type defense playing "field position" ball.
I grew up here, and I will always be a Buckeye fan, don't get me wrong. I just think that the Big Ten, Big East, MAC, Notre Dame, and all the other schools up this way, are going to be at a severe competitive disadvantage, and it's only going to get worse. And sadly, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
So all you die hard Buckeye fans and Fighting Irish fans can feel good that at least for the next few years, the name on the jersey and decades of tradition will carry you through these tough times...
But when push comes to shove, the Pac 10, Big 12 and SEC are sitting at the head of the table in the Christmas dinner that is college football moving forward. Sadly in a few years, the Buckeyes and Irish could very well be sitting at the kiddie table...
Alas

 

[louti]

This is a pointless debate, both the Pac 10 and Big 10 suck. Put Ohio State or USC in the SEC and they're .500 teams. We saw how OSU got embarrassed in the Championship to SEC teams two years in a row. They'd also get killed in the Big 12. It gets old seeing OSU and USC in the top five every year while they beat up on terrible schools in their conferences. Luckily, they usually manage to blow a game or two in theire weak conferences anyway.

 

[calbert0]

After growing up in Ann Arbor and going to high school across the street from the Big House ive only got one thing to say.
GO BLUE

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3174295
So I grew up in Big Ten land (Ohio State), played as a walk on at an ACC school (Clemson), and did my graduate work at a Pac 10 school(Cal Berkley), so I have a little insight to the major shift that is taking place in college football right now.
As many Ohio State fans (and Notre Dame fans for that matter) have seen over the past decade, things ain't what they used to be.
For one, as a general rule, people are leaving the Big Ten states and heading south or west. I'm talking about the general population here. Most of the Big Ten schools are in old manufacturing, industrious areas, and as the general economic shift went from manufacturing to service, the people went with it. Where there are less people, there are fewer athletes to pull from the local "pool".
Secondly, the midwest and northeast have something going against them that they have no control over, and that's the weather. You show me a five star recruit who wants to play in mid 40's with a rain snow mix at Ohio State, and i'll show you 10 five star recruits who would much rather play in the mid 70's in Gainesville, Los Angeles, Austin, Miami...
Then there are the smaller factor things like girls. Like it or not, these are 18 year old males who already have an ego the size of Obama's spending, so of course it's not going to hurt if on your first visit to campus you see a whole campus full of southern belles in their little tank top and short shorts. Compare that to your visit to South Bend, where all the ladies are in hoodies and pea coats. Hormones are hormones.
Now let's look at the coaching schemes these places are running...
The Pac 10, Big 12, and WAC are the teams that will open things up and score 50 points a game, while at the same time give up 35. They are ok with that, because they feel like their offense can beat your defense. Because of that, they get the best QB's and WR's in the country, because they know they have the best shot at showcasing their skills, and getting them to the next level.
The SEC on the other hand, says you give us your best shot, and we'll shove it down your throat. Florida would be happy to beat Alabama 9-7 in a game that featured an INT for TD and three field goals. Because of that, they get far and away the best defensive players in the country, because they know an SEC school gives them the best chance to succeed and get to the NFL.
Now let's look at the Big Ten. Perennial power Ohio State runs a scheme that says good defense and field position win ball games. In the bubble that is the Big Ten, this is a good scheme to run. It's won them the Big Ten title pretty much every year, and sent them to an array of BCS games.
The problem with that on a bigger scale, is that in a "one game playoff", which is essentially what a bowl game is, it's really hard to defend a team who runs a powerful spread offense, or worse to try and score points against a much more physically gifted SEC type defense playing "field position" ball.
I grew up here, and I will always be a Buckeye fan, don't get me wrong. I just think that the Big Ten, Big East, MAC, Notre Dame, and all the other schools up this way, are going to be at a severe competitive disadvantage, and it's only going to get worse. And sadly, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
So all you die hard Buckeye fans and Fighting Irish fans can feel good that at least for the next few years, the name on the jersey and decades of tradition will carry you through these tough times...
But when push comes to shove, the Pac 10, Big 12 and SEC are sitting at the head of the table in the Christmas dinner that is college football moving forward. Sadly in a few years, the Buckeyes and Irish could very well be sitting at the kiddie table...
Alas
Well put for a Donkey

Ohio St does continue to put a lot of players in the NFL, yet they struggle out of Conference as stated above. OSU gets used to that field position style of football and just doesn't hang with the 3 elite conferences.
BTW, I think the Big 12 is down this year, Texas is having their way with that conference, and I think it will hurt them whomever they play in the Title Game, same as it has Ohio St the the 2 title games they got crushed in.
The only BCS win OSU has had the last 6 years was against Notre Dame which doesn't count, the Irish last won a Bowl game in 94.