Ohio State vs Michigan

browniebuck

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You can't say that the Big12 is an elite conference and then turn around and say that the Big10 is not an elite conference...look at Oklahoma...they have been beaten in their BCS bowls how many years in a row???
Memo to the coaches in the Big12...DEFENSE is something that is KINDA important in a football game...put a Big12 team against a strong defense, and they STRUGGLE (see Texas last year against Ohio State...and I believe that Texas SHOULD have been playing for the National Championship last year...if not for Tressel-Ball, they lose to the Buckeyes).
I agree with a lot of what the ClemsonKid said...it is hard to get the speed necessary to compete with the southern teams up here...which only makes the fact that Ohio State is as successful as they are that much bigger...for the most part, the Buckeyes are winning with players from the mid-west (with some exceptions of course).
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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they are up 9-3 over the last 3 seasons in the Rose Bowl??? I thought they only played a Rose Bowl once in a season...
I am talking about head to head matchups between teams in the two conferences.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by louti
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This is a pointless debate, both the Pac 10 and Big 10 suck. Put Ohio State or USC in the SEC and they're .500 teams. We saw how OSU got embarrassed in the Championship to SEC teams two years in a row. They'd also get killed in the Big 12. It gets old seeing OSU and USC in the top five every year while they beat up on terrible schools in their conferences. Luckily, they usually manage to blow a game or two in theire weak conferences anyway.
Yeah, right. I do believe USC is 4-0 against the SEC in this decade. It isn't hard for SEC teams to get wins when they fill their schedules with crappy non BCS schools year in and out. The crappy SEC schools load up on canon fodder early in the season so the Florida's and Bamas get credit for beating 3 or 4 win teams that might not win 2 games in conference play for the season.
We'll see how weak the PAC 10 is come bowl season. They ether suck and and have gotten really lucky in out of conference games or it's the toughest conference in the nation this year.
 
browniebuck

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Stanford, USC, Oregon...who else??? Oregon State??? Washington??? Washington State??? UCLA??? California??? Zona??? Zona State??? I am not sure what is in that cigarette sticking out of your avatar's mouth...but....it must be causing you to hallucinate!!!
I just believed that the PAC10 was better than the Big10...but now that I look at it...I would rank the Big10 over the PAC10 this year.
 
browniebuck

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
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Bama would eat up Ohio....
or were you talking about Ohio University (home of the Bobcats)??? I would agree with you, that 'Bama would "eat up" the Bobcats, but if you were meaning the Buckeyes...you are far from the truth!
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by reefraff
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Yeah, right. I do believe USC is 4-0 against the SEC in this decade. It isn't hard for SEC teams to get wins when they fill their schedules with crappy non BCS schools year in and out. The crappy SEC schools load up on canon fodder early in the season so the Florida's and Bamas get credit for beating 3 or 4 win teams that might not win 2 games in conference play for the season.
We'll see how weak the PAC 10 is come bowl season. They ether suck and and have gotten really lucky in out of conference games or it's the toughest conference in the nation this year.
Look at UCLA, they are bottom of the barrel Pac 10 team and went of the road and beat Tennessee, admittedly UT is not so good, but they hung with Florida.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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Stanford, USC, Oregon...who else??? Oregon State??? Washington??? Washington State??? UCLA??? California??? Zona??? Zona State??? I am not sure what is in that cigarette sticking out of your avatar's mouth...but....it must be causing you to hallucinate!!!
I just believed that the PAC10 was better than the Big10...but now that I look at it...I would rank the Big10 over the PAC10 this year.

Just for the record, I think we all would agree that BCS bowls are a good measure as they are the biggest bowls and have been around for 10 years.
SEC...12-5
PAC 10...9-4
Big 12...7-9
Big 10...8-11
It's not all USC either, Washington, Oregon St, Oregon have all won BCS games.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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Stanford, USC, Oregon...who else??? Oregon State??? Washington??? Washington State??? UCLA??? California??? Zona??? Zona State??? I am not sure what is in that cigarette sticking out of your avatar's mouth...but....it must be causing you to hallucinate!!!
I just believed that the PAC10 was better than the Big10...but now that I look at it...I would rank the Big10 over the PAC10 this year.

Your best team lost to the Pac's 4th place team....AT HOME!!!!!
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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Stanford, USC, Oregon...who else??? Oregon State??? Washington??? Washington State??? UCLA??? California??? Zona??? Zona State??? I am not sure what is in that cigarette sticking out of your avatar's mouth...but....it must be causing you to hallucinate!!!
I just believed that the PAC10 was better than the Big10...but now that I look at it...I would rank the Big10 over the PAC10 this year.
UCLA I don't believe has been able to win a game in the PAC 10, but they did beat Tennessee. If the worst we have can beat a 500 SEC team I'd say we are doing pretty good
 
browniebuck

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Then...are we ready to anoint Boise State as the best team in the country....after all, they did beat the PAC-10's best team...that makes them better!!!!!!!!
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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Then...are we ready to anoint Boise State as the best team in the country....after all, they did beat the PAC-10's best team...that makes them better!!!!!!!!
A valid point, however that was Oregon's first game with a new coach, the first game of the year is always a crap shoot, let alone for a new coach. Was listening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio, he was talking to a source in Vegas that sets betting lines. Colin asked what the line would be on Oregon Vs. Boise if they were to meet on a neutral field next week. The guy said he would have the Ducks favored by double digits, if you don't follow betting lines, that is a very big spread. I.E., the same team that lost to Boise is not the team that throttled USC. Oregon has some injury issues in the secondary, they may struggle to make the Rose Bowl now.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
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Then...are we ready to anoint Boise State as the best team in the country....after all, they did beat the PAC-10's best team...that makes them better!!!!!!!!
If Boise had also beaten the next best team in the PAC, and a good team from a couple other conferences. We are looking for a pattern here, like 9 straight Rose Bowl wins, 9-3 record over the Big 10 last few seasons etc.
 
theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by reefraff
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If Boise had also beaten the next best team in the PAC, and a good team from a couple other conferences. We are looking for a pattern here, like 9 straight Rose Bowl wins, 9-3 record over the Big 10 last few seasons etc.
Lets just play a little November Nuttiness (I'll admit it's not nearly as catchy as March Madness). Let's take the Pac 10 and Big Ten and throw them head to head in a bracket style showdown, and you tell me who the better conference is...
Since there are 11 teams in the Big Ten, we'll say #11 Indiana and #10 Michigan have a play-in game to face #1. I like Indiana in that game, as they have played tough on the road, and have a hand full of close losses to fellow Big Ten schools, as well as three convincing wins against the MAC. Even though Michigan won in Bloomington, I like the Hoosiers who are playing much better right now. So with that being said, here are your brackets (using current RPI rankings):
With 20 teams, the top four get a bye, so we would have a round 1 of:
Bye - #1 Ohio State, #2 Oregon, #3 Penn State, #4 Wisconsin
#5 Iowa vs #20 Washington State
#12 Michigan State vs. #13 Northwestern (winner plays #1)
#10 California vs. #15 Purdue (winner plays #3)
#8 Standford vs. #17 Washington
#7 Oregon State vs. #18 Indiana
#9 Arizona vs #16 Arizona State (winner plays #4)
#11 Minnesota vs. #14 UCLA (winner plays #2)
#6 USC vs. #19 Illinois
Who do you like in the first round and why?
Second Round coming soon...
 
kjr_trig

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I understand you are going off the Rankings, but as far as "seeds", there is no chance OSU, Wisconsin, or Penn St. would ever be favored against USC on a neutral field.....But based on what you have I would go.
Iowa
Northwestern
Cal
Stanford
Oregon St
U of A
UCLA
USC
 
browniebuck

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#5 Iowa vs #20 Washington State
#12 Michigan State vs. #13 Northwestern (winner plays #1)
#10 California vs. #15 Purdue (winner plays #3)
#8 Standford vs. #17 Washington
#7 Oregon State vs. #18 Indiana
#9 Arizona vs #16 Arizona State (winner plays #4)
#11 Minnesota vs. #14 UCLA (winner plays #2)
#6 USC vs. #19 Illinois
Iowa, Michigan State, Cal (only if Best is healthy), Stanford, Oregon State, Zona, Minnesota, USC
 
mantisman51

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Boise State has tried over and over to get ACC, SEC and Big 10 teams to schedule them-they won't do it. And yes Boise State is legit, the "big conference" schools are afraid to play them. Whoever the unlucky team to play Boise State in a bowl game this year is going to get destroyed. And because the chicken-shiite big schools won't play them, they will be blown off as a "easy schedule" team and will never get the credit they deserve. Pokey Allen made them believe they could win and since then they have proven they deserve a chance to play with the big boys. But like the preening show ponies they are, the big schools and their fans will always discount them, but never have the guts to play them.
 
browniebuck

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before Boise State can claim that they are worth of playing with the big boys...they need to do what other schools such as Cincinnati did, they need to schedule tougher opponents without the demand of that team then traveling to their site. Boise State is willing to play anyone, but they want any team that schedules them to also go to their place the following season.
Ohio Stadium seats over 100,000 while according the the Boise State website, Bronco Stadium only seats 32,000 (Ohio State could fill that place for that game)...scheduling a non-conference road game is a HUGE loss of income to the program. Once Boise State is able to show that they can beat tougher teams on the road, then (and only then), will they be able to get those same teams/types of teams to visit their place.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3174443
I understand you are going off the Rankings, but as far as "seeds", there is no chance OSU, Wisconsin, or Penn St. would ever be favored against USC on a neutral field.....But based on what you have I would go.
Iowa
Northwestern
Cal
Stanford
Oregon St
U of A
UCLA
USC
Seems reasonable to me.
 
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