OMG OMG OMG Michael Jackson in Cardiac Arrest!

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/3072100
and you say he is a molester like you know he did it. if he said he invited kids into his bed why wasn't he convicted of it? I never heard that when he put his kid over the balcony he was threatening his life, like beth said, he was just showing off his kid, in a really wrong way.
You know we will never know the "truth"...BUT what is true now is the guy is dead....his music was great....he is and will be a legend....
He will always be considered "wierd".....and people will always believe what they choose...I don't know what I believe.....I don't want to believe he did those things, BUT.....
SOOOO...I choose just to remember Michael...the entertainer....
 
hlcroghan

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For all of his faults, I am saddened by his death. I was not a huge fan of his but he brought some amazing contributions to our world. I prefer to remember him for all the good that he did, not the things he may or may not have done. He will be greatly missed by those that loved him.
RIP MJ
 
mjlogan

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3072104
You know we will never know the "truth"...BUT what is true now is the guy is dead....his music was great....he is and will be a legend....
He will always be considered "wierd".....and people will always believe what they choose...I don't know what I believe.....I don't want to believe he did those things, BUT.....
SOOOO...I choose just to remember Michael...the entertainer....
+1
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/3072027
cause you know for a fact he did it? being accused and being guilty are two different things.

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3072052
He was never convicted of child abuse, though his actions are certainly seriously questionable and reason to raise grave concern regarding this aspect of his life.
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O.J. Simpson comes to mind. I bet the both of you call him a murderer and view him as a killer even though he was never convicted.
Why else pay off a kid and his family 22 million dollars if you are innocent, especially AFTER spending all that money on trial defense lawyers for so long.
 
hlcroghan

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If we are going to start debating whether or not he was a child molester, then this could become a very long and drawn out thread.
However, let me say this. Psychology was my major in college and specifically se-xual psychology and deviations therein. One prominent theme with people who abuse children is that they don't particularly like children around them unless they are specifically targeting that child. In fact, they avoid it. MJ did not EVER follow this theme and he welcomed children around him his whole life.
Now, no one is ever going to say that he was anywhere normal or that he didn't have some definite social and mental deviations. He made some bad choices. But, based on the studies done about predators of children, it was very very unlikely that he actually ever se-xually did anything to any child. I, actually, do not believe he did it based on my knowledge of that particlar mental illness.
Dangling his kid off a balcony?? Pretty stupid for sure. Do I think he was trying to do him harm? Of course not. He was dangling him for all of 2 seconds while they took pictures of him.
Like I said, it is better to remember him for what good he brought to the world.
 
beth

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I spend 10 years working in child protective services and have been directly involved with some child abuse situations that most people could not even imagine. As said by hlcroghan above, MJ just does not fit the mold of your typical pedophile. He did strike me, however, as a man who was somehow stuck in a boyhood fantasy--basically, I don't think he ever matured emotionally.
At the end of the day, we probably won't ever have concrete evidence to prove guilt or innocence. I do know that if I was a parent of a child who had been disgustingly and inappropriate handled by a child molester, no monetary settlement would have kept me from doing everything I could to pursue a criminal case against such a person. Also, the circumstances of the 2nd accuser (the family) leaves a lot of room to question their claims. The fact that Michael had millions made him a target, and his own inappropriate behavior made it easy to be accused, guilty or not. I don't know if he was guilty, or not.
 
crypt keeper

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Only in America can a black boy grow up to be a white woman.
Too early???
if he was found not guilty then thats what I go with.
 
hlcroghan

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3072149
Only in America can a black boy grow up to be a white woman.
Too early???
if he was found not guilty then thats what I go with.
Yeah, might be a little early......it was funny though....*snicker*
 
salt life

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3072118
O.J. Simpson comes to mind. I bet the both of you call him a murderer and view him as a killer even though he was never convicted.
Why else pay off a kid and his family 22 million dollars if you are innocent, especially AFTER spending all that money on trial defense lawyers for so long.

um no I don't give a crap about oj simpson and I don't have an opinion about him if he did it or not. don't tell me what my opinion is, your just another a-hole on this forum.
 
jdl

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Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/3072100
and you say he is a molester like you know he did it. if he said he invited kids into his bed why wasn't he convicted of it? I never heard that when he put his kid over the balcony he was threatening his life, like beth said, he was just showing off his kid, in a really wrong way.

O.J. Simpson comes to mind. I bet the both of you call him a murderer and view him as a killer even though he was never convicted.
Why else pay off a kid and his family 22 million dollars if you are innocent, especially AFTER spending all that money on trial defense lawyers for so long.

perception is reality. Even if MJ is innocent, the perception is he was a child molester and that is what matters.
 
goober_hunter

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3072043
They have pictures and video of him threatening to throw his child off a balcony... you don't think that's damaging to a child?
Most kids will look back on family photos of vacations to the Grand Canon. His kids will look back and and say "Oh I remember that vacation! That's where Daddy threatened to kill me by dropping me out a window."
And he himself said he invited children to his bed, so I'm not make wild accusations. That's all I said... I did not elaborate what I speculated went on there, so there is absolutely nothing incorrect about that statement.
I will not argue his importance in the music world, but to celebrate the man himself? We are getting really good at forgiving the famous.

+1
he was weird. plan and simple. i didnt grow up during his music era, so all i know is what has been in the press and from what i seen in the barbra walters interview, letting monkey cook and clean. bubbles was it? and saying he lets children in his bed. about how they play peterpan and things . not saying he did anythings to those children , but its like he never grew up. it has to be hard being that famous and try to live a regular life.
 
lovethesea

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3072149
Only in America can a black boy grow up to be a white woman.
Too early???
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hmmm....a tad (even though I did chuckle a little)

someone above said MJ was threatening to throw his child off the ledge??? The only thing I recall was his making a mistake by trying to show everyone the child. As a parent there are many things we have all done (not on purpose) but look back and wonder. Look at Steve Irwin with his child and the croc. Neither parent was bringing intentional harm to their child.
I think Beth hit the nail on the head as far as MJ is concerned. He has ALWAYS been a little different. His fame allowed him to live in a fantasy world and all of the people in his world made millions off of him I am sure. You can be also be sure when the money was gone, so were they.
 
reefraff

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MJ a musical genius? Yeah, right. He was an Great Entertainer but the musical genius came from Quincy Jones.
As great an entertainer as he was he was an even bigger freak show. The boy had some serious issues. I remember watching an interview with Alice Cooper. He had some issues to deal with and was talking about having to learn when he could "let Alice out". He at one point was having trouble separating his stage persona, Alice, from Vince whatever his name is.
I think Jackson at some point slipped into character and never came back.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3072277
MJ a musical genius? Yeah, right. He was an Great Entertainer but the musical genius came from Quincy Jones.
As great an entertainer as he was he was an even bigger freak show. The boy had some serious issues. I remember watching an interview with Alice Cooper. He had some issues to deal with and was talking about having to learn when he could "let Alice out". He at one point was having trouble separating his stage persona, Alice, from Vince whatever his name is.
I think Jackson at some point slipped into character and never came back.
Jones helped Jackson produce Off The Wall, Bad, and Thriller. He also did that stupid Wiz production with him and the We Are The World production. However, the music and lyrics were all Jackson. He may have been a freak in his later years, but he'll still be considered a musical genius and pioneer.
 
meowzer

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I have been sitting here for the last couple of hours....watching MJ videos on youtube,,,,and All I can say is thet he is amazing...I'm going to miss him....but I am thankful that we have what we have to remember ...and I am referring to entertainment...and entertainment only
 
tr1gger

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Never really a fan, I was a lil young when his stuff was popin. He really never touched me as a child...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3072351
Jones helped Jackson produce Off The Wall, Bad, and Thriller. He also did that stupid Wiz production with him and the We Are The World production. However, the music and lyrics were all Jackson. He may have been a freak in his later years, but he'll still be considered a musical genius and pioneer.
Might want to check out the credits. Jones produced his best stuff and Jackson only wrote part of the songs. After Jone split Jackson had a couple more successful albums but how much of that was due to the hype QJ helped to create? If MJ's songs were so great musically why not very many covers by other artists?
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3072543
Might want to check out the credits. Jones produced his best stuff and Jackson only wrote part of the songs. After Jone split Jackson had a couple more successful albums but how much of that was due to the hype QJ helped to create? If MJ's songs were so great musically why not very many covers by other artists?

Major Artists that covered michael jackson
Fall out boy -Beat it
Cris Cornell-Billy Jean
Alien Ant Farm-smooth criminal
Cook (american idol guy)--billy Jean
amy winehouse--beat it
 
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