One Horrible Week! Need Help !!!!!

adamc1303

Active Member
Ok here goes. I’m gonna tell you about part 1 of my horrible week and then part 2.
Part 1

My wife and I purchased a co-op apartment in Brooklyn, NY a little over a year ago. Since then I have been always renovating. I do all the work on my own, unless it pertains to electricity since I am not confident enough that I know what I am doing and messing with it can be dangerous. The apartment never really had much light so I installed a track when we moved in and just ran the wire down the wall to an outlet and covered it with wire covers. I knew at the time that it was temporary and that eventually we wanted spot lights. So we decided to hire an electrician this week to install the spotlights. I went to Home Depot and purchased the spotlights. If you know anything about this type of lighting there are 2 ways to do it. There are spotlights for a new construction, where the fixture has 2 brackets that get drilled to the beams in the ceiling and later on dry wall gets put over them with a round cut out. There’s also the remodel kit which is meant for a remodel where there is a round housing that is pushed into the ceiling and then just clips in. Well the guy I hired was licensed and experienced for 11 years. I purchased spot light kits that have the housing for a remodel or the brackets for a new construction. I let the guy into the apartment in the morning and expected to return to a nice new look. The Idiot made 14 x 14 square cut outs around each spotlight in the ceiling. He just totally damaged the entire ceiling. He did this because he was lazy and used the new construction kit. So he just made these huge wholes with a hammer so he can get to the beams. To top it all off he didn’t cover anything in the apartment. All he was suppose to do was just make nice round cutouts use the provided housing and all would have been ok. I expected a few small wholes because I knew he needed to run some wires. I could have fixed those my self. Anyway I now needed to hire a contractor who needed to replace my entire ceiling! That’s right the ceiling was un patchable. This work took 1 week and $1,000.00!!!!!
Part 2

My wife and I move all the furniture out of our living room and dining room and cover the floors with plastic I got at Home Depot. I then cover my tank which is in the dining room as well. I try to cover it really well because the dusts from sanding sheet rock is probably the messiest think I have ever deal with. I covered every part of my tank except for the back of the stand which is opened but against the wall (about 6 inches away. After a long week of construction on the last day of not being able to be at home since the entire apartment was a wreck I notice my hippo tang is dead, lying in the corner of the tank! I have had all these fish for 3 years now. They were the original fish I purchased when I converted to a reef. I then look at the tank and notice that my 2 clown fish are all the way at the top of the tank but are alive. They looked like they were gasping for air. I couldn’t uncover the tank because I the construction was still happening for the next few hours. I was hoping it was just the hippo tang and that everything else was fine. I didn’t think much at the time that the clown fish being at the surface meant anything. Anyway 2 hours later one of the clowns was sucked against the power head, the other dead on the sand and so were the other 3 fish in the tank. That’s right 3 years of fish all dead on the same day. Here’s my question. Do you think they died because some dust from the sheetrock made it into the tank? Or did I cut off almost all the oxygen to the tank? Keep in mind the sump is uncovered in the stand and the back of the stand is partially exposed?
What do I do now? I tested my water and its fine.
Parameters
Salinity 1025
Ammonia 0.0
Nitrate 0.0
Nitrite 0.0
Ph 8.4
Calcium 440
I was thinking to wait a bit before restocking (none of my corals were harmed) it’s been so long since I dealt with cycling. Will not having any fish in a tank kill the biological filtration? I was just planning on adding a new fish about every week or 2. Let me know your thoughts and also give me some reef safe fish recommendations for a 90G reef. I wanted to go with smaller fish this time, nothing that can really outgrow the tank so quickly.
Thanks,
Adam
 

prevwon

Member
It might have been dust or something from the guy the electrician that messed up your ceiling...you said nothing was covered up for that. Did you see any dust built up in your tank?
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Do you have a skimmer? Do you see dust on the top of your tank or sump? At any time did they have to cut the electricity while working?
 

adamc1303

Active Member
Originally Posted by PrevWon
It might have been dust or something from the guy the electrician that messed up your ceiling...you said nothing was covered up for that. Did you see any dust built up in your tank?

I didn't really see a dust build up
 

adamc1303

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
Do you have a skimmer? Do you see dust on the top of your tank or sump? At any time did they have to cut the electricity while working?
I don't really see a serious dust build up. My skimmer is skimming as usual, not that it like went crazy or something. If it did than I would be certain that it was the dust. As far as electricity the entire tank was only down for like 3 min.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
I don't really see a serious dust build up. My skimmer is skimming as usual, not that it like went crazy or something. If it did than I would be certain that it was the dust. As far as electricity the entire tank was only down for like 3 min.
When they shut the electric down there could be the possibility that an electric current ran through the water. Did they shut down the whole house or just turn off the tank? If there isn't a dust residue on the water then I highly doubt that there was enough to kill your fish.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
I don't think it had to do with the electricity because they died 4 days after that. Anyway do you think it is safe to start adding fish?
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
I don't think it had to do with the electricity because they died 4 days after that. Anyway do you think it is safe to start adding fish?
I have no way of being sure. You could get one fish, quarantine it (you DO have a quarantine tank right? If not, you are begging for trouble) If the fish is doing great in quarantine for 3 weeks then goes into the display and something happens then you would know it was the tank. That 3 weeks would give the fish a chance to not have a parasite and be comfortable while giving the tank another 3 weeks to be clear of whatever it was that killed your fish.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
I dont have a qt tank set up anymore. I haven't added any fish in about 2 1/2 years. I used my QT tank for an auto top off sump lol. I am taking a tomatoe clown from a buddy of mine and it has been in his tank for a while. I gave it to him about a year ago. I will put him in and see wha happens. I hate the waw this sounds (like im using the clown fish as a scapegoat). Although I am very confident that everything will be ok. Unless you or someone else tells me that it deffinatley wont be. I was planning on adding him later this week.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
I dont have a qt tank set up anymore. I haven't added any fish in about 2 1/2 years. I used my QT tank for an auto top off sump lol. I am taking a tomatoe clown from a buddy of mine and it has been in his tank for a while. I gave it to him about a year ago. I will put him in and see wha happens. I hate the waw this sounds (like im using the clown fish as a scapegoat). Although I am very confident that everything will be ok. Unless you or someone else tells me that it deffinatley wont be. I was planning on adding him later this week.
None of us can say with any certainty that a fish will be ok or not in the display at this time. I can say with 99% certainty that you will have a boatload of trouble if you do not quarantine your fish. And yes, you are using this fish as a "what if?" fish. You don't realy know what killed your fish. I would not be so eager to add fish so soon.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
i,m really not eager I dont wan't to loose any fish. I just beleive that I cut off oxygen to my tank and that's the reason the fish died. Because there really wasn't much dust in the tank. That's why I am about ready to add a fish. I did 20% a water change last week after the fish died. I'm going to do another 2 10% water changes, one this weekend and then another one next weekend. I will then wait a few more days and add my first fish. I don't think I can get safer than that. I will set up a qt tank after I add the first fish. Since I am getting it from a friend and not a lfs and I know what his tank looks like. Let me know your thoughts.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
i,m really not eager I dont wan't to loose any fish. I just beleive that I cut off oxygen to my tank and that's the reason the fish died. Because there really wasn't much dust in the tank. That's why I am about ready to add a fish. I did 20% a water change last week after the fish died. I'm going to do another 2 10% water changes, one this weekend and then another one next weekend. I will then wait a few more days and add my first fish. I don't think I can get safer than that. I will set up a qt tank after I add the first fish. Since I am getting it from a friend and not a lfs and I know what his tank looks like. Let me know your thoughts.
How long was the tank without oxygen? I am sorry, but I have lost power before and my fish were just fine. I am sorry if I sound like I don't want you to get another fish. Buy and set up your qt tank right away. You will have to cycle it. I am glad that you trust your friend. If he has not had ich in his system and quarantines his fish then go ahead and try it. I would have the qt up and cycled first though. Watch that fish very closely and have a place to put him if you see any gasping or odd behavior.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
The electricity had nothing to do with the oxygen. When I was preparing for the construction tha was done. I covered the tank in a plastic table cloth. I made it almost airtight. Theonly part of the water that was exposed was the water in my sump which is in my stand, the back of the stand was open because I didnt cover it and that was the only part of the tank that was able to get any oxygen. Sort of like leaving the fish in a bag for 5 days. At the time I my intentions were to make sure no dust gets in but I think I may have overdone it.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
The electricity had nothing to do with the oxygen. When I was preparing for the construction tha was done. I covered the tank in a plastic table cloth. I made it almost airtight. Theonly part of the water that was exposed was the water in my sump which is in my stand, the back of the stand was open because I didnt cover it and that was the only part of the tank that was able to get any oxygen. Sort of like leaving the fish in a bag for 5 days. At the time I my intentions were to make sure no dust gets in but I think I may have overdone it.
As long as your pumps were running they were not oxygen deprived at all. Many people use glass coverings for their tank. It is not ideal because of ventilation, but people some keep their tanks that way.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
Ok my fault left a small part out. Pump was not running. Just 2 1500 GPH powerheads in the tank. Which now even more makes me beleive it was the oxygen shortage. After the 2nd day my sump neede to be topped off. I couldnt uncover anything so I just left the powerheads running for water movement. I do that ofetn for a day sometimes even 2. But the difference this time was that the entire tank was wraped in plastic. I was never really worried to do that because someone on this board once told me that since I have 150LB of LR in my tank and allot of water movement I dont even need a wet/dry, just a good skimmer. So when I wasn;t able to top off I just left the powerheads in and through on an old Hang On skimmer I had. Since ny regular skimmer is in sump. What do you think?
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
Ok my fault left a small part out. Pump was not running. Just 2 1500 GPH powerheads in the tank. Which now even more makes me beleive it was the oxygen shortage. After the 2nd day my sump neede to be topped off. I couldnt uncover anything so I just left the powerheads running for water movement. I do that ofetn for a day sometimes even 2. But the difference this time was that the entire tank was wraped in plastic. I was never really worried to do that because someone on this board once told me that since I have 150LB of LR in my tank and allot of water movement I dont even need a wet/dry, just a good skimmer. So when I wasn;t able to top off I just left the powerheads in and through on an old Hang On skimmer I had. Since ny regular skimmer is in sump. What do you think?
In actuality, once a complete system is made (consisting of a deep sand bed, plenty of detrivores, enough LR, and an old enough system) all that is needed is powerheads, a fuge, and a skimmer. I still don't think it was oxygen deprivation with the PH's running, but I could be wrong.
 

adamc1303

Active Member
I guess to be safe I will give it at least another 2 1/2 weeks. The corals are doing fine! What fish list would you recommend? The fish I had before were
1 Tomato Clown
1 Perculla clown
1 yellow tang
1 hippo tang
1 chevron tang
1 purple Pseudochromis
I did feel that my tank was a bit overstocked since the tangs got fairly big and the yellow was a bully. the tomato clown would also pick on the other clown fish.
This time around I wanted to stick to fish that can't out grow the tank. I would rather have as many small fish that I can successfully keep in a 90G than a few large fish. The only fish I am really set on is a Flame Angle. I always wanted one and a LFS in my area has one in their display reef. I convinced them to catch it for me, at least I know this one will be reef safe. I wanted to do some anthias, and other small fish. Perhaps, another perculla clown. I also see people putting fuzzy dwarf lion fish in reef tanks, although that's not a must since it can outgrow the tank and also be harmful to smaller fish. The angle is the only thing I’m really set on. Let me know what you think.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Adamc1303
I guess to be safe I will give it at least another 2 1/2 weeks. The corals are doing fine! What fish list would you recommend? The fish I had before were
1 Tomato Clown
1 Perculla clown
1 yellow tang
1 hippo tang
1 chevron tang
1 purple Pseudochromis
I did feel that my tank was a bit overstocked since the tangs got fairly big and the yellow was a bully. the tomato clown would also pick on the other clown fish.
This time around I wanted to stick to fish that can't out grow the tank. I would rather have as many small fish that I can successfully keep in a 90G than a few large fish. The only fish I am really set on is a Flame Angle. I always wanted one and a LFS in my area has one in their display reef. I convinced them to catch it for me, at least I know this one will be reef safe. I wanted to do some anthias, and other small fish. Perhaps, another perculla clown. I also see people putting fuzzy dwarf lion fish in reef tanks, although that's not a must since it can outgrow the tank and also be harmful to smaller fish. The angle is the only thing I’m really set on. Let me know what you think.
No angel (even dwarf) is considered completely reef safe. A flame will nip at large-polyped stony corals, zoo's and clam mantles. They may nip at more. A fuzzy will not outgrow your 90, but they will eat decorative shrimp and fish that fit in their mouth. You can definately get a pair of clowns, some anthias, and other small guys that are reef safe. The yellow and hippo both are active fish, no matter what their size, they need at least a 6 foot long tank.
 

reefer545

Member
Looks like a beautiful tank! Sorry for the misfortune. To be honest, it sounds like the original contractor iknew what he was doing. That is (based on your original post) the best way to install new lights. It may not have been ENTIRELY necessary though. The second contractor, sorry to say it so blunt, screwed you. NO WAY does it take replacing the entire ceiling for a couple of holes. I do bet it looks WAY BETTER though.
I had something similar happen when I let my fiance acclimate new fish once. She let the water get way too low after acclimation and not letting shipping water into the tank while taking water out to acclimate. Within hours ALL MY FISH DIED. This was a couple of years ago now, but all my corals survived and are thriving. Your tank does not NEED fish to keep the water params where they should be. You can actually do a invert only tank. I did for over two months after the fish massacre (as we call it) and everything was fine. You should do daily or bi daily water changes for at least 2 weeks if you ask me, If nothing else, it will give you supreme confidence in your water quality if you are using RO water,and performing proper changes. After that, if nothing is out of whack, I would say dont even test your water for until a couple days after you add your first fish, and resume normal water changes. Plus you get to add new stock choices.
Sorry for the bad news. Best of luck.
Just a suggestion, but use referred contractors from now on.
Reefer545
 
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